Discussion 2022: Rookie Discussion
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Gee so many mid rookies! Add Connor Macdonald to the list!
Gee so many mid rookies! Add Connor Macdonald to the list!
Been in my team since SC opened. 
Sounds like Ned Long played reasonably well today too, but I don't see him starting R1 at this stage. He likely will get a chance at some stage though if he keeps going - worth noting for anyone relying on him as a floating donut, I think I saw his name mentioned a few times as the best FD option this year.
Sounds like Ned Long played reasonably well today too, but I don't see him starting R1 at this stage. He likely will get a chance at some stage though if he keeps going - worth noting for anyone relying on him as a floating donut, I think I saw his name mentioned a few times as the best FD option this year.
'He's not in the team just yet': Noble adds fuel to Horne-Francis' fire - AFL News - Zero Hanger
North Melbourne head coach David Noble has poured cold water on many Shinboner's spirits by suggesting that prized draftee Jason Horne-Francis is currently outside of his best-22.
Despite reports from AFL Media's Riley Beveridge that Horne-Francis had been dominating on the training track, Noble believed that the South Australian still had some road left to travel before debuting.........
........."I think one of the things that's been significant this pre-season is that we've got some really strong internal competition. We've had a couple of goes at looking at what our round one team is at the moment and it's probably close to 30 players that are vying pretty strongly,"........
........."He's [Horne-Francis] got some pretty stiff competition when you talk about Tarryn Thomas, Jaidyn Stephenson, Jack Mahony, Curtis Taylor, he's going to need to keep putting his best foot forward. He's not in the team just yet, but he's certainly in the mix to perform over the next few weeks."..........
.........."I think we have to temper the midfield aspect. I've always believed that if they're mentally and physically ready then go ahead and play it. [But] he's probably in that forward-mid rotation I would think," he revealed.
Noble also added that it remained unlikely that Horne-Francis would spend any time across half-back as he looks to build the tank of a full-time midfielder.
"We're not tempted to play him off half-back, I don't think we need to. I would think he's probably in that forward-mid rotation. I mean, he has kicked a fair few goals as a half-forward," the genial guider said.........
North Melbourne head coach David Noble has poured cold water on many Shinboner's spirits by suggesting that prized draftee Jason Horne-Francis is currently outside of his best-22.
Despite reports from AFL Media's Riley Beveridge that Horne-Francis had been dominating on the training track, Noble believed that the South Australian still had some road left to travel before debuting.........
........."I think one of the things that's been significant this pre-season is that we've got some really strong internal competition. We've had a couple of goes at looking at what our round one team is at the moment and it's probably close to 30 players that are vying pretty strongly,"........
........."He's [Horne-Francis] got some pretty stiff competition when you talk about Tarryn Thomas, Jaidyn Stephenson, Jack Mahony, Curtis Taylor, he's going to need to keep putting his best foot forward. He's not in the team just yet, but he's certainly in the mix to perform over the next few weeks."..........
.........."I think we have to temper the midfield aspect. I've always believed that if they're mentally and physically ready then go ahead and play it. [But] he's probably in that forward-mid rotation I would think," he revealed.
Noble also added that it remained unlikely that Horne-Francis would spend any time across half-back as he looks to build the tank of a full-time midfielder.
"We're not tempted to play him off half-back, I don't think we need to. I would think he's probably in that forward-mid rotation. I mean, he has kicked a fair few goals as a half-forward," the genial guider said.........
I really like this from the coach, sends the right message.
Sure, we're the bottom side, but you don't want some 18/19yo thinking he's a walk up start just because he was picked first and shows off some highlights in pre-season.
Lets the rest of the team know that anyone can impress and make the 22 as well. Good stuff.
Sure, we're the bottom side, but you don't want some 18/19yo thinking he's a walk up start just because he was picked first and shows off some highlights in pre-season.
Lets the rest of the team know that anyone can impress and make the 22 as well. Good stuff.
I mean he had me at Tarryn Thomas, Stephenson was more a maybe but then when you name Mahony and Taylor, well, yeah, he's definitely playing games
I'm probably as big a Mahony fan as there is around but JHF has him covered in every facet of the game.
I don't love the Thomas mention in that though, want him in a better role ideally.
Also probably a good sign that neither of Powell or Phillips got mentioned in that positioning.
I'm probably as big a Mahony fan as there is around but JHF has him covered in every facet of the game.
I don't love the Thomas mention in that though, want him in a better role ideally.
Also probably a good sign that neither of Powell or Phillips got mentioned in that positioning.
North Melbourne Midfield is a Long List. Yes #1 pick.... yes a few seasons against men, but how does a rookie get midfield minute amongst this group.
1.Cunners
2.Simpkin
3.Greenwood
4.Anderson
5.TT
6.LDU
7.Powell
8.Phillips
9.Polec
10.Stephenson
Seems to be some 117K/123K MID options that could produce same points.?
1.Cunners
2.Simpkin
3.Greenwood
4.Anderson
5.TT
6.LDU
7.Powell
8.Phillips
9.Polec
10.Stephenson
Seems to be some 117K/123K MID options that could produce same points.?
Pretty sure our first choice starting midfield at the moment would be Simpkin, LDU and TT, with Powell and Polec on the wings (while Cunnington is out).
The rest will rotate through as needed: one from a bench spot (Greenwood maybe to smash in when the younger guys need some assistance?) and the others as half forwards that drift into the contest (JHF/Stephenson types). Phillips is an upcoming talent for sure but he's not as good a forward as JHF is likely to be or Stephenson is already, so maybe he starts on the bench and rotates through the wings.
But there is most certainly a spot for JHF and I think he'll be there ready to explode into the Hawks like a rabid blonde pit-bull come R1
The rest will rotate through as needed: one from a bench spot (Greenwood maybe to smash in when the younger guys need some assistance?) and the others as half forwards that drift into the contest (JHF/Stephenson types). Phillips is an upcoming talent for sure but he's not as good a forward as JHF is likely to be or Stephenson is already, so maybe he starts on the bench and rotates through the wings.
But there is most certainly a spot for JHF and I think he'll be there ready to explode into the Hawks like a rabid blonde pit-bull come R1
So JHF as a high half forward in a bottom team.
We're not getting a Greene, O'Meara, Walsh or Rowell debut who were just mids.
Just off the top of my head.
Rozee was in a good team, 77.
Powell last year, 68.
Petracca, 72.
Dusty 78. Was he just a mid?
Bont 78.
Dayne Beams 75.
So maybe a 70-75?
Daicos as a backman is also not a mid debut although halfback has become more lucrative,
Mills, 77.
Heppell, 83.
David Swallow, 79.
Did Andrew McGrath start back, 71.
David Mundy, 79.
Heath Shaw 72, 6 games.
Witherden, 87, 9 games.
So maybe 75-80?
What's a pass mark?
We're not getting a Greene, O'Meara, Walsh or Rowell debut who were just mids.
Just off the top of my head.
Rozee was in a good team, 77.
Powell last year, 68.
Petracca, 72.
Dusty 78. Was he just a mid?
Bont 78.
Dayne Beams 75.
So maybe a 70-75?
Daicos as a backman is also not a mid debut although halfback has become more lucrative,
Mills, 77.
Heppell, 83.
David Swallow, 79.
Did Andrew McGrath start back, 71.
David Mundy, 79.
Heath Shaw 72, 6 games.
Witherden, 87, 9 games.
So maybe 75-80?
What's a pass mark?
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Pass mark is 75, which should make $150k. Getting game most week will be important. Expect JHF starts to get some mid rotations as does Daicos as the season progresses and one moves to fwd line and one def once DPP changes go through.
To me the issue will be how many $275k players do you have. This space has been a graveyard at times although last year we had Ziebell at $255k, Daniher and Impey were cheaper at $200-220k. This year the options are solid, however, hard to see many pushing too far above $150k and a risk we are seeing last year returns and now think they replicate.
Found I have been able to go to a 4-3-2-3 premium team incl Heeney/Butter, yet only running with one of these expensive players. No Whitfield or Sicily and only 7 x 123k throughout the team.
To me the issue will be how many $275k players do you have. This space has been a graveyard at times although last year we had Ziebell at $255k, Daniher and Impey were cheaper at $200-220k. This year the options are solid, however, hard to see many pushing too far above $150k and a risk we are seeing last year returns and now think they replicate.
Found I have been able to go to a 4-3-2-3 premium team incl Heeney/Butter, yet only running with one of these expensive players. No Whitfield or Sicily and only 7 x 123k throughout the team.
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I think the pass mark is a variable tbh and by that I mean if you have $102k rookies hitting close to that mark 60-65 is the $100k saved and used elsewhere more justified, most would say yes. Really comes down to the number of other options and JS those cheaper rookies may have.
I'm not paying $200k for a guy that might be in one week and not the next.
I'm not paying $200k for a guy that might be in one week and not the next.
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The pass mark was responding to the question above re JHF and Daicos. 65 SC points for a 102k rookie is actually pretty high, 55 should do it.
Agree you have to adjust for the extra capital, although, in the end you pick the lowest priced guys who should make $150k and getting a game every week. Now, thats unrealistic as we know there are not 15 of these guys and so we balance the team.
If you think a rookie is going to be in one week and out the next week, he shouldn't be picked. Thats where I think we start to consider cutting premiums and adding all the $275k guys. all rookies though are going to need a break after 4-5 games, job security is everything when picking them, I agree on that.
Agree you have to adjust for the extra capital, although, in the end you pick the lowest priced guys who should make $150k and getting a game every week. Now, thats unrealistic as we know there are not 15 of these guys and so we balance the team.
If you think a rookie is going to be in one week and out the next week, he shouldn't be picked. Thats where I think we start to consider cutting premiums and adding all the $275k guys. all rookies though are going to need a break after 4-5 games, job security is everything when picking them, I agree on that.
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True, but so far we've been told that JHF isn't best 22, whether that's true or not that's the retoric out of NM. In terms of these players being available, granted, there's not going to be a bucket of $102k rookies but I'm seeing plenty sub $125k with Mid status that has me questioning why I would take a $200k + rookie on field let alone for the bench. I don't agree also that rookies need a break after 4-5 games especially for those that are performing without any niggles and I'd suggest history would support that. Whilst 55 points is a pass mark like you say, it really does depend whether this is an on field score and where your change was spent.
