Analysis 2023 Preseason Games

wogitalia · 5 Mar 2023

Last year definitely different, we wont have a Brodie and Coniglio pairing this year, I feel pretty confident in that. I also highly doubt we have a Daicos. Doubt there's a Sicily or Hewett also. Can make a good case that group was worth 7 trades which is enormous.

The number of 200k guys that have averaged 100+ has to be very small over the last 5 years?

It was also an exceptional year for the top guys not missing games. Stewart, suspended at 50k above his starting price, the only top 5 defender who missed a game, 4 games total missed from the next 4 guys as well. 7 games total from the top 10 mids. Top 2 rucks missed 2 games. 9 games missed by the top 8 forwards, 7 of which were English. Looking at just 2021, the top 8 forwards alone missed more games than the top 8 defenders, top 10 midfielders, top 2 rucks and top 8 forwards missed combined last year. 2020 is also very close to having the forwards do it alone and that was a 17 game season!

I'd definitely expect the trades to be at least a little bit tighter this year.

Connoisseur · 5 Mar 2023

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wogitalia · 5 Mar 2023

Uncle Drew said:

Confirming it's not there, it was there on Thursday but was producing a wall of text error on their site, had a couple of others confirm it wasn't working and then wasn't there any more on Friday.

Historically they have 2 or 3 games a year this happens to and they never bother to fix them so I'm not expecting it to appear.

Locus Levy Lunacy · 5 Mar 2023

aj74 said:

So he had 6 in that category, with Preuss and Hewett sitting just outside.

3 worked well, Rowell and Berry were ok and Gov got injured. Obviously Preuss and Hewett were good as well. He didn't nail all of them - Curnow and Bowey were very useful too.

Every year is different, but Yeo, Bowes, Jones, Hopper, Callaghan, Fyfe, Flanders, Bruyn all have cases. Sheed and Culley harder to have. Let me know when you work out the optimum number.

NT.Thunder · 5 Mar 2023

wogitalia said:

Last year definitely different, we wont have a Brodie and Coniglio pairing this year, I feel pretty confident in that. I also highly doubt we have a Daicos. Doubt there's a Sicily or Hewett also. Can make a good case that group was worth 7 trades which is enormous.

The number of 200k guys that have averaged 100+ has to be very small over the last 5 years?

It was also an exceptional year for the top guys not missing games. Stewart, suspended at 50k above his starting price, the only top 5 defender who missed a game, 4 games total missed from the next 4 guys as well. 7 games total from the top 10 mids. Top 2 rucks missed 2 games. 9 games missed by the top 8 forwards, 7 of which were English. Looking at just 2021, the top 8 forwards alone missed more games than the top 8 defenders, top 10 midfielders, top 2 rucks and top 8 forwards missed combined last year. 2020 is also very close to having the forwards do it alone and that was a 17 game season!

I'd definitely expect the trades to be at least a little bit tighter this year.

Don't we have like 36 and 3 boosts. What we would've killed for that 20 years ago with a rolling lockout and an option to loop a VC.

Blue Bloods · 5 Mar 2023

Mid-pricers I alway like one on each line, especially if there are a few on that line. Helps with flexibility and corrections trades.

But you got to know your game, if in your own history you can’t except a few bad scores and are likely to trade them straight out probably doesn’t work. After round 3 you really need some patience with them as some rookies look better and there is alway a premium you must have.

Lets be honest how many times have we downgraded one to a rookie and upgraded the other to a premium in the first few rounds but both the mid priced players did their intended jobs.

Borris · 5 Mar 2023

NT.Thunder said:

Remember those days fondly. Must be roughly 15 years ago when Leigh Montagna was a great captain option and Jimmy Bartel accumulated points for fun… Then GAJ entered the chat

NT.Thunder · 5 Mar 2023

Blue Bloods said:

I rarely get the mid-pricer right. Yeo back, Ziebell forward but no Hopper in the mids so running Finn Cal at F5 which might make the mid upgrade a challenge.

aj74 · 5 Mar 2023

wogitalia said:

Wow I didn't know we were so lucky with injuries. I mean.... I knew it was a pretty good year at least

With that sort of a run coinciding with5 extra trades and the boosts it will be interesting to see how many people go extra crazy on the trades and of course, if they're right.

Could be a lot of people left high and dry this year all because it worked that one time

Blue Bloods · 5 Mar 2023

NT.Thunder said:

I got no Finn atm, to me he is an expensive rookie playing on the wing. But he also has me worried not having him. Can’t have them all I guess.

aj74 · 5 Mar 2023

NT.Thunder said:

Yep.

I'd love them to offer a Supercoach Original flavour next to classic and draft. Go back to 20 trades. Rookies costing 83k - 92k. No DPP even. Hell I'd be cool if it didn't even have a weekly or overall prize.

But I reckon they'd get a whole stack of entries, especially from us waffly old farts who'd want a crack at that title. There'd be a tonne of prestige IMV

Uncle Drew · 5 Mar 2023

wogitalia said:

Thanks for confirming. I've sent a message through to support. I won't hold my breath while I wait for a reply.

pizza safety · 5 Mar 2023

wogitalia said:

I'd look more at the bad wingmen, guys like Bailey Scott, Kamdyn McIntosh, Wood, Hinge, JMc, Morrison and McKenzie all averaged in that 70-75 range, 3/4 of that group can't even kick and I don't think anyone would mistake them for stars. Wing is a bad high end role but it does have a very high floor, the bad players score 70, the great ones score 80-105 (Gaff, Clug). On talent Finn is more akin to the elite than the lower guys.

It's also worth noting that all that actually matters is the spike. Someone posted Bowey's numbers, he made 130k from a similar price on one good score which he tanked with an absolute stinker as well. Only takes a good couple of games and he's done the job. You also get a more reliable floor for the on-field aspect which is important early in the season.

Having said that, he's not a must have by any means, I'd suggest those who can get up to Hopper or down to Greene types will probably generate similar cash.

I think we make a grave mistake by diminishing a good performance against a bottom 10 side, half the league are bottom half teams, ipso facto approximately half the games will be against them.

This is particularly relevant for GWS who face Adelaide, WCE, Carlton, Essendon and Hawthorn in their first 5, so if he has shown an ability to flat track bully then he's got the perfect start to execute the plan! They should go into 4 of those as firm favourites and the fifth is pretty even on paper, especially with Walsh out. GWS were terrible under an awful coach last year but their list is still very talented, especially at the pointy end.

I think really bad wingers have averaged as bad as 50, Lachie O’Brien and Nathan O’Driscoll are ok and both averaged 64. Max Holmes 65. Josh Daicos is a good winger and averaged 77, Ed Langdon 79. I still think the pick has merit but I only see him averaging 80 at most in that role so I’m not gonna pick, floor in avg is probably low 60’s

wogitalia · 6 Mar 2023

pizza safety said:

In the village of the blind the one eyed man is king

I don't think you're wrong but I'd love to know what rookies people are taking instead of Callaghan because I'm struggling mightily in the mids.

Russty_ · 6 Mar 2023

wogitalia said:

I have Callaghan but there's also Mackenzie, Ashcroft, Ginbey, Constable, Phillipou, Baker, Cincotta, Davey, Long, Flanders to choose from

Professor · 6 Mar 2023

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MC's Mix · 6 Mar 2023

Russty_ said:

Yeah all the dpp swings make it a bit easier to fill spots.
I currently have Ashcroft, Mackenzie and McLean M6-M8 with Phillips, Hewett and Johnson on the bench (placeholders of course).
I'm finding myself this year with a whole heap more of the 150k+ rookies which is making me a bit nervous, but I'm not sure what else to do at the moment!

Buddy Starmart · 6 Mar 2023

Did we over react to McLean and he go alright or we need to not start him

Vicwood · 6 Mar 2023

Buddy Starmart said:

No, keep him. He will make money and is an injury away from the midfield rotation.

AngryAnt · 6 Mar 2023

Vicwood said:

It's pretty hard to start him on field though with such a rubbish role.

Analysis 2023 Preseason Games

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