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2023: SC Planning Thread
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I find these articles a waste of time and sometimes misleading. For example in respect of Laird they say "He also averaged 8.1 tackles a game last year – each worth 4 points." Which is true no doubt for an effective tackle. But as I understand it a tackle where the player disposes of the ball eg handball to team mate scores nothing for the person making the tackle. I suspect many players may not know this and get frustrated when no points are awarded. Why don't they just publish the full scoring list and get on with it.
You're half correct. A tackle where the player disposes of the ball to a teammate scores nothing but that's because it goes down as an "attempted/ineffective" tackle rather than a tackle.
To be an effective tackle it must cause an ineffective disposal or a stoppage. So that 8.1 is the effective tackles, so worth the ~4 points per tackle, he probably had another 4 or 5 ineffective "tackles".
Your issue is more with the definition of a tackle than the scoring system. Some of the most bruising tackles don't count and sometimes a little jumper tug or arm across can count as a tackle.
It's definitely worth learning some of the definitions as it does help with the system. It also creates more frustration though just as often
To be an effective tackle it must cause an ineffective disposal or a stoppage. So that 8.1 is the effective tackles, so worth the ~4 points per tackle, he probably had another 4 or 5 ineffective "tackles".
Your issue is more with the definition of a tackle than the scoring system. Some of the most bruising tackles don't count and sometimes a little jumper tug or arm across can count as a tackle.
It's definitely worth learning some of the definitions as it does help with the system. It also creates more frustration though just as often
Good news for Oscar Allen if they plan to move the ball quicker. Jayden Hunt could be s speculative pick too.
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Stats are interesting, loving Laird as a unique choice.
Rozee over Butters is probably largely to do with the scorch marks so many are carrying from Butters last year. Port's preseason games are going to require some of the closest watching as there are a lot of moving parts with them.
Drew is the part to watch, he's the one who can really mislead in preseason as teams don't tag and so he might not play as much midfield time as he normally would but come the season have to think he'll be tagging again this year. From a fantasy perspective it would be nice if he'd get out of the way
I expect Boak to effectively move to HF full time this year, he switched with Rozee over the back half of last year and I think he'll become permanent as they push JHF ahead.
The wing replacement for Amon is also going to be interesting. Do they give Duursma one last chance? Do they go a Bergman or Sinn or another kid or do they go with someone like Butters or even Rozee and ease the midfield squeeze a bit.
Hinkley is always a wildcard so will be interesting to watch.
I'd have their team something like this:
B: Burton Jonas XX
HB: DBJ Aliir Bonner
C: Houston Wines XX
HF: Boak Marshall Butters
F: Rioli Dixon XX
R: XX Rozee Drew
Int: JHF SPP XX XX
Back pocket I'd say is between Burgoyne, Farrell, Sinn, McKenzie, Fantasia, Clurey and Jones.
Wing would be Sinn, Duursma, Farrell, Burgoyne, Fantasia, Dumont or even Butters/JHF/Boak/Rozee group could fill.
FP is basically Georgiades or Finlayson depending how they want to do things but they could also go smaller here.
Ruck is Lycett vs Finlayson, could come down to if they're happy rucking Dixon again as Finlayson/Dixon worked better than Lycett last year. Also have Hayes and Visentini pecking at them.
Bench spots I'd expect would be filled with the leftovers. I expect Farrell is best 22, if nothing else he can play back, wing or forward and that versatility has value. I think if they went Lycett that there's a solid chance Finlayson is on the bench still as the 2nd ruck and again the ability to play forward or back if needed.
But it's a tough side with a lot of options. Some work really well for us from a fantasy perspective and some do not
Rozee over Butters is probably largely to do with the scorch marks so many are carrying from Butters last year. Port's preseason games are going to require some of the closest watching as there are a lot of moving parts with them.
Drew is the part to watch, he's the one who can really mislead in preseason as teams don't tag and so he might not play as much midfield time as he normally would but come the season have to think he'll be tagging again this year. From a fantasy perspective it would be nice if he'd get out of the way
I expect Boak to effectively move to HF full time this year, he switched with Rozee over the back half of last year and I think he'll become permanent as they push JHF ahead.
The wing replacement for Amon is also going to be interesting. Do they give Duursma one last chance? Do they go a Bergman or Sinn or another kid or do they go with someone like Butters or even Rozee and ease the midfield squeeze a bit.
Hinkley is always a wildcard so will be interesting to watch.
I'd have their team something like this:
B: Burton Jonas XX
HB: DBJ Aliir Bonner
C: Houston Wines XX
HF: Boak Marshall Butters
F: Rioli Dixon XX
R: XX Rozee Drew
Int: JHF SPP XX XX
Back pocket I'd say is between Burgoyne, Farrell, Sinn, McKenzie, Fantasia, Clurey and Jones.
Wing would be Sinn, Duursma, Farrell, Burgoyne, Fantasia, Dumont or even Butters/JHF/Boak/Rozee group could fill.
FP is basically Georgiades or Finlayson depending how they want to do things but they could also go smaller here.
Ruck is Lycett vs Finlayson, could come down to if they're happy rucking Dixon again as Finlayson/Dixon worked better than Lycett last year. Also have Hayes and Visentini pecking at them.
Bench spots I'd expect would be filled with the leftovers. I expect Farrell is best 22, if nothing else he can play back, wing or forward and that versatility has value. I think if they went Lycett that there's a solid chance Finlayson is on the bench still as the 2nd ruck and again the ability to play forward or back if needed.
But it's a tough side with a lot of options. Some work really well for us from a fantasy perspective and some do not
You're half correct. A tackle where the player disposes of the ball to a teammate scores nothing but that's because it goes down as an "attempted/ineffective" tackle rather than a tackle.
To be an effective tackle it must cause an ineffective disposal or a stoppage. So that 8.1 is the effective tackles, so worth the ~4 points per tackle, he probably had another 4 or 5 ineffective "tackles".
Your issue is more with the definition of a tackle than the scoring system. Some of the most bruising tackles don't count and sometimes a little jumper tug or arm across can count as a tackle.
It's definitely worth learning some of the definitions as it does help with the system. It also creates more frustration though just as often
To be an effective tackle it must cause an ineffective disposal or a stoppage. So that 8.1 is the effective tackles, so worth the ~4 points per tackle, he probably had another 4 or 5 ineffective "tackles".
Your issue is more with the definition of a tackle than the scoring system. Some of the most bruising tackles don't count and sometimes a little jumper tug or arm across can count as a tackle.
It's definitely worth learning some of the definitions as it does help with the system. It also creates more frustration though just as often
As for the third paragraph I don’t have an issue with the definition of a tackle. Never said that. Point made was it is not explained well enough.
If Hunt was a bit cheaper Id be interested, hard to go there at 285 when they'll have Hurn and one of Yeo and Shuey down back, does he not just get parked in a crap role regardless of being freed up?
Really need to be a main distributor out of defence or rotate onto the ball at that price.
Really need to be a main distributor out of defence or rotate onto the ball at that price.
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Expecting them to explain the meaning of every stat is a bit excessive though. They may as well just post the glossary of the meaning of the stats.
Sure they could throw more numbers in about his attempted tackles and that but it's probably going to make it more confusing to the entry level coaches that these articles are aimed at. If they don't understand what a tackle is then it's on them to learn it. Most people are going to understand that 8.1 tackles a game means 8.1 effective tackles a game rather than misinterpreting it as attempted tackles, I really don't think they need to explain that.
There's a readily available glossary of the definitions, if people are looking to learn definitions they'd go there.
He played most of his career in that position and put up an awful lot of trash scores, I don't see why that would change this year at WC. McGovern or Barrass will be the interceptor, Hurn is going to remain the main guy and Hunt is still going to run around, really fast, like a chicken with it's head cut off, run himself into trouble and kick it to the other side. He'd be far better suited to just focusing on being a lock down defender to be honest and establishing himself as a best 22 guy.
Be very surprised if he can push the 85 range that he needs to, not shocked as he's got some abilities, but definitely surprised. Feels like there's much better options this year, imo.
Sure they could throw more numbers in about his attempted tackles and that but it's probably going to make it more confusing to the entry level coaches that these articles are aimed at. If they don't understand what a tackle is then it's on them to learn it. Most people are going to understand that 8.1 tackles a game means 8.1 effective tackles a game rather than misinterpreting it as attempted tackles, I really don't think they need to explain that.
There's a readily available glossary of the definitions, if people are looking to learn definitions they'd go there.
He played most of his career in that position and put up an awful lot of trash scores, I don't see why that would change this year at WC. McGovern or Barrass will be the interceptor, Hurn is going to remain the main guy and Hunt is still going to run around, really fast, like a chicken with it's head cut off, run himself into trouble and kick it to the other side. He'd be far better suited to just focusing on being a lock down defender to be honest and establishing himself as a best 22 guy.
Be very surprised if he can push the 85 range that he needs to, not shocked as he's got some abilities, but definitely surprised. Feels like there's much better options this year, imo.
Only so much ball that can come out of one defence, Hurn and Yeo are both better players and better users of the footy, why would you get deer in the headlights Hunt to do it? Expecting the same nothing role hes always had with a fair bit of WAFL thrown in for good measure myself.
Melbourne made him more accountable because he was killing them by burning the footy, how many clangers before Simmo cracks it haha.
Melbourne made him more accountable because he was killing them by burning the footy, how many clangers before Simmo cracks it haha.
Its pre season but not a bad pump up.
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Big wrap on Eagles rookie Noah Long ($117,300 MID/FWD) from today's West Australian...
West Coast Eagles teenager Noah Long bolting into contention for debut in 2023 AFL season
Baby-faced and weighing in at 73kg, Noah Long wasn’t expected to make a splash when he landed at West Coast.
Taken with the Eagles’ last pick in the 2022 draft, Long was easily overshadowed on arrival by the impressive size of top selection Reuben Ginbey and the confidence of Elijah Hewett.
But as the pre-season has ramped up so has the hype around the 177cm goalsneak from Victoria, who is quickly becoming the bolter for the upcoming season.
It comes after a difficult draft year for Long, who broke his collarbone in three places in Bendigo Pioneers’ opening game of the season.
It cost the forward valuable time in the gym and threatened his chances to be recruited.
But three clever goals for Vic Country against Western Australia in the under-18 championships caught the attention of the Eagles.
Pioneers coach Danny O’Bree said it turned out to be a blessing in disguise for Long, as he transformed into a crafty forward.
“I said to a few of the recruiters leading up to the draft that he was one of the cleaner players you’ll meet,” he said.
“He’s a really good kick, a good decision maker and very clever. I think it sets him up well if he can get a little bit fitter and stronger to go to that next level.
“At the back end of the year, he was able to show his flexibility as a player and versatility. I probably didn’t have too many concerns that he could do it. “It was definitely a blessing in disguise.”
O’Bree said he wouldn’t be surprised to see Long in an Eagles guernsey this season as he competes for the vacant forward role left by Junior Rioli’s move to Port Adelaide.
“We’ve been around him for the last couple of years and understand how hard he works and what his character is,” he said.
“He probably wasn’t on the radar because he’s had so many injuries over the last couple of years. It’s more surprising for those who haven’t seen him enough.
“He’s worked so hard to get a lot stronger and bigger. Being in a full-time environment will really suit him and I think he will take every opportunity as it comes.
“His skill and his decision making, leadership on field and coach-ability certainly sets him up for success, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he played this year at all and I think he’s going to be around for a long time too.”
West Coast captain Luke Shuey said Long was an exciting prospect from what he’d seen in the first three months of his time at the Eagles.
“He’s got plenty of small forward craft,” Shuey said.
“Probably something we need losing Vennas (Daniel Venables) and Junior over the last couple of years.
“He’s another kid who has come in more mature than just an 18-year-old so he’s going to be a ripper for us.”
West Coast Eagles teenager Noah Long bolting into contention for debut in 2023 AFL season
Baby-faced and weighing in at 73kg, Noah Long wasn’t expected to make a splash when he landed at West Coast.
Taken with the Eagles’ last pick in the 2022 draft, Long was easily overshadowed on arrival by the impressive size of top selection Reuben Ginbey and the confidence of Elijah Hewett.
But as the pre-season has ramped up so has the hype around the 177cm goalsneak from Victoria, who is quickly becoming the bolter for the upcoming season.
It comes after a difficult draft year for Long, who broke his collarbone in three places in Bendigo Pioneers’ opening game of the season.
It cost the forward valuable time in the gym and threatened his chances to be recruited.
But three clever goals for Vic Country against Western Australia in the under-18 championships caught the attention of the Eagles.
Pioneers coach Danny O’Bree said it turned out to be a blessing in disguise for Long, as he transformed into a crafty forward.
“I said to a few of the recruiters leading up to the draft that he was one of the cleaner players you’ll meet,” he said.
“He’s a really good kick, a good decision maker and very clever. I think it sets him up well if he can get a little bit fitter and stronger to go to that next level.
“At the back end of the year, he was able to show his flexibility as a player and versatility. I probably didn’t have too many concerns that he could do it. “It was definitely a blessing in disguise.”
O’Bree said he wouldn’t be surprised to see Long in an Eagles guernsey this season as he competes for the vacant forward role left by Junior Rioli’s move to Port Adelaide.
“We’ve been around him for the last couple of years and understand how hard he works and what his character is,” he said.
“He probably wasn’t on the radar because he’s had so many injuries over the last couple of years. It’s more surprising for those who haven’t seen him enough.
“He’s worked so hard to get a lot stronger and bigger. Being in a full-time environment will really suit him and I think he will take every opportunity as it comes.
“His skill and his decision making, leadership on field and coach-ability certainly sets him up for success, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he played this year at all and I think he’s going to be around for a long time too.”
West Coast captain Luke Shuey said Long was an exciting prospect from what he’d seen in the first three months of his time at the Eagles.
“He’s got plenty of small forward craft,” Shuey said.
“Probably something we need losing Vennas (Daniel Venables) and Junior over the last couple of years.
“He’s another kid who has come in more mature than just an 18-year-old so he’s going to be a ripper for us.”
