Discussion BBL|14: Preseason Discussion | OPEN!

[Herbie66]

Think I am ready until all the questions are answered and Game 1 teams are announced 🤗

/ Harper (E)

Maxwell * , Webster * , Curran * , Stoinis * / Inglis (E) , Turner

J Richardson , using Couch's price as my Star quick

Probably will need Bank + Maxwell & Webster 🤔to get M Short in Round 2 & Overton (if bowling)/Lynn/Hardie (if Scorchers play 7-4) + ?

Only 46 days to go , bring it on

 

[mike89]

This is seeming more and more like the play. Get a look at Short’s role in round 1 and see if he’s worth the cap space getting him for his double. If he isn’t bowling I’d say he’s a fade as $300k for a bat only is madness. But if the overs are there then he’s basically a must have.
Definitely think trades need to be planned out early.. if the plan is to go Maxwell->Short->Maxwell-Short over the early rounds that’s 1 trade per week locked. So gotta make sure the options with the remaining trades work in terms of both cash and numbers. Especially as you’ll need a little bank getting Maxwell to Short.

Does the flex position mean you can be more aggressive with boosts? We have a bit more cover depth now in case of a washed out game so the boost may not be as necessary later in the season.

I feel like I'd like to have both options open with Short because if Overton can't bowl then things could get really tricky for them. Like it's not outside the realms of possibility that their R1 side is something like this:
M Short
D Short
Lynn
Weatherald
Ross
Overton
Neilsen
And four bowlers.

Maybe they feel like they have to play the extra bowler in that situation but we've thought that before and he always manages to get his overs. I'm not saying it's definitely the play, but I want to at least be open to it.

 

[Herbie66]

If Matt Short bats like he does last season he might not even have to get bowling points.

"Only" got 183 points from bowling.

Agree though a lot depends on Overton and if he is bowling or not , hopefully get some more info during the West Indies white ball series.

Need to wait and see if Allen is in the white ball Squad v Bangladesh.

If he is , he could miss the first game of their Round 2 DGR which (could) further complicate things for the likes of Bazley , Buckingham , Doggett , L Pope , Thornton etc

Boyce might be the "safest" bowling option.

Or maybe he waits until Round 3 to arrive , who knows at this stage.

They may even sign a short term replacement for he & O Pope.

 

[The Myth]

The biggest concern I have with picking Short is the compromises you’ll need to make and the picks you’ll have which have serious job security issues.

Early days but most drafts I’m seeing Doran and Salzmann as loops. Given the fixtures and doubles early, I can agree having some bottom dollar to maximise cash on field early.

But then short teams are including Bazley and Buckingham. Now if Allen is missing round 1, he comes back in. If they don’t trust Pope with the gloves, then Nielsen also stays.

Every chance the XI ends up something like: Short, Darcy, Lynn, Pope, Weathers/Ross, Overton, Allen, Neilson, Thornton, Boyce, Buckingham/Pope/Bazley/Doggett.

With a new coach who knows how they are going to see it.

You’d think there’s an extra pace guy there but possibility of having 4 donuts coming into round 2, and with gades bye round 3, could end up with a few sketchy picks on field on singles that round, not to mention reduced dgw players.

 

[Herbie66]

The biggest concern I have with picking Short is the compromises you’ll need to make and the picks you’ll have which have serious job security issues.

Early days but most drafts I’m seeing Doran and Salzmann as loops. Given the fixtures and doubles early, I can agree having some bottom dollar to maximise cash on field early.

But then short teams are including Bazley and Buckingham. Now if Allen is missing round 1, he comes back in. If they don’t trust Pope with the gloves, then Nielsen also stays.

Every chance the XI ends up something like: Short, Darcy, Lynn, Pope, Weathers/Ross, Overton, Allen, Neilson, Thornton, Boyce, Buckingham/Pope/Bazley/Doggett.

With a new coach who knows how they are going to see it.

You’d think there’s an extra pace guy there but possibility of having 4 donuts coming into round 2, and with gades bye round 3, could end up with a few sketchy picks on field on singles that round, not to mention reduced dgw players.

now what he says publically could be completely different to what he actually does

from the cricket.com.au article on 24 September 2024 https://www.cricket.com.au/news/4128856/strikers-coach-paines-big-call-on-new-recruit

" Paine confirmed that incumbent England Test captain Ollie Pope would also keep wickets when Australia gloveman Alex Carey is on national duties, and that the new international recruit would also provide "glue" for the Strikers' middle-order batting"

Ollie the Pope fails in New Zealand he might decide he needs a complete break from cricket

 

[The Myth]

now what he says publically could be completely different to what he actually does

from the cricket.com.au article on 24 September 2024 https://www.cricket.com.au/news/4128856/strikers-coach-paines-big-call-on-new-recruit

" Paine confirmed that incumbent England Test captain Ollie Pope would also keep wickets when Australia gloveman Alex Carey is on national duties, and that the new international recruit would also provide "glue" for the Strikers' middle-order batting"

Ollie the Pope fails in New Zealand he might decide he needs a complete break from cricket

Good spot Herbie, always amazing with the info.

Guess it really does come down to Overton. If he’s a full bowling option does it make sense to be playing him at 6? 5 bowling options + Overton + Short seems overkill.

 

[Herbie66]

Good spot Herbie, always amazing with the info.

Guess it really does come down to Overton. If he’s a full bowling option does it make sense to be playing him at 6? 5 bowling options + Overton + Short seems overkill.

Certainly a interesting one

Overton last season's batting position as per Big Bash Board

@ 5 once
@ 6 4 times
@ 7 once

110 SC points from Batting (85 from runs , 25 from SR)

Played as a specialist bat for England in his 2 x T20I v Australia , came in at 7 both times (Salt , Jacks , Cox , Livingstone , Bethell , S Curran ahead of him)

Really need to see him bowling in the upcoming West Indies series

Comparable to if the Stars go 6-5 (Curram , Usama +3 affects Maxwell , Stoinis & Webster bowling) and the Scorchers if they go 6-5 (Agar , Behrendorff , Morris , Richardson , Tye affects Hardie , Connolly & Turner)

T20 seems to now be a game of the more bowling options the better , mix it up so batsmen have to adjust

As for Short , I see any bowling points are a bonus , going to me a massive decision whether to start him , bring him in Round 2 (most likely via Maxwell) or wait until Round 4

Going to be brave (or silly or a genius move) not getting him for round 2 and making him VC

 

[Herbie66]

waste of trades given you probably want them all back in Round 3

on current prices

Maxwell , Webster , Curran = $ 564,100.00

Short M , Overton , Lynn (3 highest priced AS/PS players) = $ 709,100.00

Need to start a Bank of $ 145,000.00

yeah don't think that is a smart idea

 

[7/11]

Good spot Herbie, always amazing with the info.

Guess it really does come down to Overton. If he’s a full bowling option does it make sense to be playing him at 6? 5 bowling options + Overton + Short seems overkill.

Assuming Allen doesn’t open the bowling, you’d assume Short is safe for 1-2 new ball overs a game as they love that tactic. Beyond that is a lottery I don’t want to be playing in round 1.

At the moment I’m thinking hard pass on rd1, consider fading round 2 given his averages against the stars and heat are “only” in the 50’s. If he underperforms in the first two rounds and role isn’t there, he could have dropped 50-60k by rd4 double.

If he scores 210-240 (average 70-80) over the first two rounds it’s probably par for what you’re paying. Any less and you’d be spitting chips. The regret will be if he averages 100+ over those 3 rounds. He’d have to hit 2 50+ scores to get close to that, and he doesn’t traditionally score well against the Stars (albeit rarely plays them at AO), so that means he’ll need to do the bulk against the Thunder round 1 and a red hot Heat team, who we have no recent matchup info on given Short didn’t play them last season.

 

[The Myth]

Assuming Allen doesn’t open the bowling, you’d assume Short is safe for 1-2 new ball overs a game as they love that tactic. Beyond that is a lottery I don’t want to be playing in round 1.

I also wonder if the new coach has a different opinion.

I also wonder if Buckingham is included, you’d think he’s going to be most effective up front, does that also change things?

 

[Tails]

I'm going to run 5 leagues this season ....

- I just can't waste the @Bermi created banners from the AFL season
- league invites will be issued in due time ...
- but I will strongly consider initial interests in them ...
- a lot of work went into creating these ...

 

[7/11]

I also wonder if the new coach has a different opinion.

I also wonder if Buckingham is included, you’d think he’s going to be most effective up front, does that also change things?

Thornton probably gets first crack. Haven’t seen enough of Buckingham to make an informed comment, but when warm up games are available to watch I will be keenly watching the strikers for sure.

I am keen on him as a cheapie either way, think he will be given a crack since Agar has moved on. Though as you cite, Paine may have different plans for the squad.

 

[Tex]

I'm going to run 5 leagues this season ....

- I just can't waste the @Bermi created banners from the AFL season
- league invites will be issued in due time ...
- but I will strongly consider initial interests in them ...
- a lot of work went into creating these ...
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Keen mate

 

[Vicwood]

R1 - Thunder - Last 3 games 119, 159, 137

Guess you either start him or don't worry about him [/QUOTE
The selection or non selection that may define the season.?

 

[Deeman1]

I'm going to run 5 leagues this season ....

- I just can't waste the @Bermi created banners from the AFL season
- league invites will be issued in due time ...
- but I will strongly consider initial interests in them ...
- a lot of work went into creating these ...
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Hey @Tails,

I'm already in SCS Strike Power, not sure if I was in any of the others, but if you are looking for additional members for any of the leagues that I'm not currently listed in, please put me down as interested.

 

[avantgarde]

Same here 'Tails'....................very keen to be included in all of them.

cheers AG

 

[Dravid]

The biggest concern I have with picking Short is the compromises you’ll need to make and the picks you’ll have which have serious job security issues.

Early days but most drafts I’m seeing Doran and Salzmann as loops. Given the fixtures and doubles early, I can agree having some bottom dollar to maximise cash on field early.

But then short teams are including Bazley and Buckingham. Now if Allen is missing round 1, he comes back in. If they don’t trust Pope with the gloves, then Nielsen also stays.

Every chance the XI ends up something like: Short, Darcy, Lynn, Pope, Weathers/Ross, Overton, Allen, Neilson, Thornton, Boyce, Buckingham/Pope/Bazley/Doggett.

With a new coach who knows how they are going to see it.

You’d think there’s an extra pace guy there but possibility of having 4 donuts coming into round 2, and with gades bye round 3, could end up with a few sketchy picks on field on singles that round, not to mention reduced dgw players.

With the best 11 scoring this year, it's probably more viable this year to run a couple of low cost / high risk players to allow you to run the likes of Short from round 1. Take a couple of shots and hope one comes off.

 

[Chumpion]

First look at a team. Definitely more structural in terms of DGR players as I’ll have a closer look at some specific X v Y decisions as we get closer and have maximum information.

A lot of these picks will be common (especially Stars and Gades). Keen to get a rolling start into round 2 so I can make some corrections or cash gen trades if I need instead of having to just chase DGR guys.

Sams is an unlikely pick but not sure exactly how to use that spot so figured I’ll park him there and figure it out. $3400 left ITB so it’s a tight machine right now..

 

[Diabolical]

First look at a team. Definitely more structural in terms of DGR players as I’ll have a closer look at some specific X v Y decisions as we get closer and have maximum information.

A lot of these picks will be common (especially Stars and Gades). Keen to get a rolling start into round 2 so I can make some corrections or cash gen trades if I need instead of having to just chase DGR guys.

Sams is an unlikely pick but not sure exactly how to use that spot so figured I’ll park him there and figure it out. $3400 left ITB so it’s a tight machine right now..

Am I missing something with the Mitch Marsh selection?

 

[Chumpion]

Am I missing something with the Mitch Marsh selection?

Tbh I'm probably missing something with the Mitch Marsh selection! There are a few guys that I picked not being 100% sure of availability and/or role but that the price point loosely fits what I'd be looking to pay and the DGR structure I'm aiming for. He will in all likelihood change to a different Scorcher/Striker as the picture becomes cleaner, but overall I'm thinking I want to aim for 9 rd1 DGR players, and 6 who have the DGR in round 2, which will hopefully mean really solid coverage across the early rounds!