Defenders Discussion

[Deeman1]

What do you think Grimes can avg this year? Will be 25

As long as under Roos he was to resume his previous role across half back and not being used as a tagger.

I think a fair range would be 85-95.

My concern in not scoring capacity which I think is reasonable.

It is durability as he has only managed more than 15 games in one year once in the last 5 years.

His games tally's from 2009-2013 read 11,14,6,21,15.

He may be an option to start and up grade prior to bye, but I doubt he would be a keeper.

Maybe the fact that I brought him in for Gibbs 10 min before he got injured in around rd6 last year for a return of 13 points has scarred me for life.

 

[av1jme]

I think Roos will know that Grimes is too good to be a lock down defender.
Melbourne should improve this year although they may still get a lot of the ball coming down to the defensive half. Grimes should see plenty of action and that makes his selection all that more enticing.

As long as under Roos he was to resume his previous role across half back and not being used as a tagger.

I think a fair range would be 85-95.

My concern in not scoring capacity which I think is reasonable.

It is durability as he has only managed more than 15 games in one year once in the last 5 years.

His games tally's from 2009-2013 read 11,14,6,21,15.

He may be an option to start and up grade prior to bye, but I doubt he would be a keeper.

Maybe the fact that I brought him in for Gibbs 10 min before he got injured in around rd6 last year for a return of 13 points has scarred me for life.

 

[av1jme]

Agree. But think of it this way. Mitchell and McVeigh might be playing midfield this year with returning backs from injuries so they are essentially midfielders but are in your DEF positions.

doesn't sit right with me having multiple 550k defenders.

i do believe you will need to eventually have these D/M guns to keep up. i'm happy to pay hopefully below 500k when the mcveigh/walker/bartel/hodge/hanley types drop (they will!)

i think they all represent poor value. however i will lock in mitchell to replace the GODdard

 

[Nk29]

Will you be taking the punt Nk?

Yeah I will

 

[anfa18]

I know i am not in the same league as Rowsus or any of you major hitters out there (yet), in regards to stats or when it comes to pretty much anything Supercoach related. This is a quick summary of research i did during the abandoned 20/20 game regarding Sam Mitchell.

3 Pro's:
Midfielder in defense - It's not very often we can use a pure midfielder in defense.
High Scorer - In 2013 he had 11 scores over 100, including 7 over 120 and a high score of 143 in the Preliminary Final against Geelong.
Proven Supercoach star - In his 9 seasons, Mitchell has only once NOT averaged 100+ SC points. That is an amazing stat right there.

3 Con's:
Overpriced - In 2013 he started at 592k and his price dropped by almost 100k by round 14. Starting at 562k in 2014, he is possibly somewhat overpriced.
Age - Sam Mitchell is 31 years old and will be getting close to 32 by the end of the 2014 season.
Decline in SC points - In the last 3 seasons we have seen Mitchell go from an average of 113 to 110 to 104, which seems to be a steady decline.


Will he average 100+ again? Is his age catching up with him? Are his scores on a steady decline? Looking forward to what you guys think.

 

[av1jme]

Good on you for the stats.
I think he will average 100+ again this year.
He did play a lot of games in the backline last year so the big decline in scores from 110 to 104 could be attrributed to that.
A return to midfield should keep him at least to this years average and maybe higher. That's why he's a lock in my book.

I know i am not in the same league as Rowsus or any of you major hitters out there (yet), in regards to stats or when it comes to pretty much anything Supercoach related. This is a quick summary of research i did during the abandoned 20/20 game regarding Sam Mitchell.

3 Pro's:
Midfielder in defense - It's not very often we can use a pure midfielder in defense.
High Scorer - In 2013 he had 11 scores over 100, including 7 over 120 and a high score of 143 in the Preliminary Final against Geelong.
Proven Supercoach star - In his 9 seasons, Mitchell has only once NOT averaged 100+ SC points. That is an amazing stat right there.

3 Con's:
Overpriced - In 2013 he started at 592k and his price dropped by almost 100k by round 14. Starting at 562k in 2014, he is possibly somewhat overpriced.
Age - Sam Mitchell is 31 years old and will be getting close to 32 by the end of the 2014 season.
Decline in SC points - In the last 3 seasons we have seen Mitchell go from an average of 113 to 110 to 104, which seems to be a steady decline.


Will he average 100+ again? Is his age catching up with him? Are his scores on a steady decline? Looking forward to what you guys think.

 

[BC]

Mcveigh, mitchell, bartel almost locks for me.
mids named as defenders apart from maybe bartel who can get any role on the ground.
tbh the only change I may make is jimmy to grimes/swallow if they impress in preseaon or role change to benefit there scoring output.

 

[Obie]

McVeigh, Mitchell and Bartel sure look the goods for defence. They are priced the same as some premium mids though. a 580k player in defence and a 580k player in the midfield still contribute the same to your tally. I believe they will be the top 3 highest scoring defenders but I think all their output will decline slightly. Overpriced and I'm thinking the money is better spent on Jack, Cotchin, Watson etc. Will depend on where the value rookies are of course and the value of the other defender alternatives. Starting with probably Mitchell and will look to upgrade into Bartel and McVeigh.
From experience I've found it hard to upgrade into the gun premium mids throughout the year, so am inclined to start with 4-5 of them and sacrificing on defence.

 

[Prochard]

U prefer Mitchell out of the 3?(i do too) but im interested in your reasoning

McVeigh, Mitchell and Bartel sure look the goods for defence. They are priced the same as some premium mids though. a 580k player in defence and a 580k player in the midfield still contribute the same to your tally. I believe they will be the top 3 highest scoring defenders but I think all their output will decline slightly. Overpriced and I'm thinking the money is better spent on Jack, Cotchin, Watson etc. Will depend on where the value rookies are of course and the value of the other defender alternatives. Starting with probably Mitchell and will look to upgrade into Bartel and McVeigh.
From experience I've found it hard to upgrade into the gun premium mids throughout the year, so am inclined to start with 4-5 of them and sacrificing on defence.

 

[av1jme]

A lot of options in midfield this year so to have a few mid premiums in Defence is a good strategy kind of a list and forget.
I agree though that the price is a detterent given that top rookies have increased in price.

McVeigh, Mitchell and Bartel sure look the goods for defence. They are priced the same as some premium mids though. a 580k player in defence and a 580k player in the midfield still contribute the same to your tally. I believe they will be the top 3 highest scoring defenders but I think all their output will decline slightly. Overpriced and I'm thinking the money is better spent on Jack, Cotchin, Watson etc. Will depend on where the value rookies are of course and the value of the other defender alternatives. Starting with probably Mitchell and will look to upgrade into Bartel and McVeigh.
From experience I've found it hard to upgrade into the gun premium mids throughout the year, so am inclined to start with 4-5 of them and sacrificing on defence.

 

[tracygrims]

He does do that at least once a year though . But I'd pick him up cheaper later anyway. I'm in the sub-500k club tbh.

would have repped this post but it seems my last rep was also you

 

[Nk29]

would have repped this post but it seems my last rep was also you

Haha cheers.

 

[Obie]

U prefer Mitchell out of the 3?(i do too) but im interested in your reasoning

I think Mitchell is the only one of the 3 to be guaranteed midfield time. It's predominately what you want. Players that are listed as Defence/Forward but spend more time in midfield. I think Geelong are in transition a bit in their midfield with the younger brigade coming through and SJ has overtaken Bartel. Bartel will become a utility and was played in a back pocket towards the end of the year. Will still score 95-100 imo because he's a gun but he's 100k more expensive than Murphy/Beams/Thomas. I know where the value lies. I think the same Bartel argument applies to McVeigh.

 

[MVP9]

I know i am not in the same league as Rowsus or any of you major hitters out there (yet), in regards to stats or when it comes to pretty much anything Supercoach related. This is a quick summary of research i did during the abandoned 20/20 game regarding Sam Mitchell.

3 Pro's:
Midfielder in defense - It's not very often we can use a pure midfielder in defense.
High Scorer - In 2013 he had 11 scores over 100, including 7 over 120 and a high score of 143 in the Preliminary Final against Geelong.
Proven Supercoach star - In his 9 seasons, Mitchell has only once NOT averaged 100+ SC points. That is an amazing stat right there.

3 Con's:
Overpriced - In 2013 he started at 592k and his price dropped by almost 100k by round 14. Starting at 562k in 2014, he is possibly somewhat overpriced.
Age - Sam Mitchell is 31 years old and will be getting close to 32 by the end of the 2014 season.
Decline in SC points - In the last 3 seasons we have seen Mitchell go from an average of 113 to 110 to 104, which seems to be a steady decline.


Will he average 100+ again? Is his age catching up with him? Are his scores on a steady decline? Looking forward to what you guys think.

it doesn't matter about age, if you can get a defender that can average 100+ and plays every week then they are gold, will also give you consistent scores week in week out

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Annoying me how when I am looking for an D3 the guys I am looking at have byes at the same round as D1 & D2. And when considering breakout DEF's they have byes at the same time as my MID stacked with round 8 bye players. Frustrating!!

 

[anfa18]

it doesn't matter about age, if you can get a defender that can average 100+ and plays every week then they are gold, will also give you consistent scores week in week out

To me age does start to be factor once a player is close to or reaches 30. They are more likely to be rested and are more injury prone. Pavlich, Chapman, Sandilands, Goodes and Boyd are all examples.

Pavlich - Turned 31 in 2013 and only managed to play 9 games.
Chapman - Turned 31 in 2013 and only managed to play 6 games.
Sandilands - Turned 30 at the end of 2012 and only managed 7 games in 2013. The first time he has not played at least half a season.
Goodes - Turned 31 in 2011 and managed 16 games in 2012 and 12 games in 2013.
Boyd - Was 30 in 2013 and only managed to play 13 games.

 

[av1jme]

You brought out really good points.
What about those who are not injury prone like Bartel (just turned 30), Enright (32), Mitchell (31), Simpson (will be 30 during the playing season)

To me age does start to be factor once a player is close to or reaches 30. They are more likely to be rested and are more injury prone. Pavlich, Chapman, Sandilands, Goodes and Boyd are all examples.

Pavlich - Turned 31 in 2013 and only managed to play 9 games.
Chapman - Turned 31 in 2013 and only managed to play 6 games.
Sandilands - Turned 30 at the end of 2012 and only managed 7 games in 2013. The first time he has not played at least half a season.
Goodes - Turned 31 in 2011 and managed 16 games in 2012 and 12 games in 2013.
Boyd - Was 30 in 2013 and only managed to play 13 games.

 

[anfa18]

You brought out really good points.
What about those who are not injury prone like Bartel (just turned 30), Enright (32), Mitchell (31), Simpson (will be 30 during the playing season)

Yeah not every player is injury prone, however with their age they are more prone to acquire an injury compared to a 25 year old. It would not surprise me if a couple of those guys or other 30+ year old's pulled a hamstring or something of the sort in 2014. They are all very SC relevant, but starting with too many 30+ years old's is probably asking for trouble. Personally i think you need to find a middle ground of risk vs value and reward. At this stage i will be starting with Sandilands and Pavlich as i think they offer way too much reward to ignore.

 

[Nk29]

Yeah not every player is injury prone, however with their age they are more prone to acquire an injury compared to a 25 year old. It would not surprise me if a couple of those guys or other 30+ year old's pulled a hamstring or something of the sort in 2014. They are all very SC relevant, but starting with too many 30+ years old's is probably asking for trouble. Personally i think you need to find a middle ground of risk vs value and reward. At this stage i will be starting with Sandilands and Pavlich as i think they offer way too much reward to ignore.

Yeah I think that they are a lot more injury prone as you said. I mean just look at Goodes' (one of the most durable players ever) last 2 years.

 

[BC]

Anyone think swallow and grimes can match the likes of bartel/mcveigh/mitchell for points?
And will geelong let the kids take over and give jimmy a role where it destroys his supercoach ability.
Big price tag for him if he scores rubbish