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Rowsus

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Grant Napear, who is the play by play commentary guy for the Sacramento Kings, and has been for 30 years, has been sacked for tweeting "All Lives Matter" in response to the current #BLM.

The World is going to hell in a handbag.

While I understand what NicNat said, when he said that "Saying "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" is like walking into a charity event for cancer research, and saying "There are other diseases"."

I just think the PC, touchy-feely, have to be beyond overly sensitive of everyone's feelings type thinking has gone too far, and sacking someone for tweeting "All Lives Matter" is just an example.

To re-word what NicNat said, how about if people looked at it like the people saying "All Lives Matter" aren't saying "There are other diseases" at a cancer research event, but they are saying "Wouldn't it be great, if we could cure all the terrible diseases?".

Why do people jump straight to the "I'm offended", and "You have ignored, and diluted my message" type thinking? Why do they choose to take the worst option possible, to something that was simple, true, heart-felt, and meant to be supportive, but also encompassing?

I have explained similar things to my extended family more than once, and I believe the message is slowly sinking in. It was happening too often in my family, that someone would say or do something, and somebody else in the family would think it was a dig at them, or "minimized" their role or position in the family. When the dust has settled, I explain to them, particularly the "injured" member of the family, that there are quite often more than one way to interpret someone's words or actions. If someone in the family says something you think slights you, then stop! Think about it again! Can it be taken or interpreted in a way that doesn't slight you? 90% of the time, the answer is "Yes, I can see they possibly meant this, and didn't intend to offend/upset me". So I tell them, next time, think about it before you get upset, and try to find the alternate meaning. No one in this family is ever trying to hurt anyone else, deliberately, or even accidently.

Why can't the World be like this? Why does the World jump straight to defensive mode? Or I'm offended mode? Why couldn't people see that Napear wasn't trying to dilute, or trivialise #BLM, he just wanted to show support for ALL lives?

While the World's default position continues to be defensive/offended, and those that are caught up in it are punished for basically innocent things, then we are actually never going to progress. We are never going to get past things like racial or religious prejudice, because those that are getting offended/defensive, particularly those getting offended/defensive on SOMEONE ELSE'S BEHALF, are just replacing the prejudice with another problem. You don't fix problems by creating another problem, particularly if the other problem being created is basically the first problem, but in disguise. In this case, this is exactly what has happened.

Please, good SCS people out there, if anyone you care about, or you think cares about you, says something, or does something, that you think insults, hurts, ignores, offends you in some way, then take the time to try and find an alternate meaning to their actions. If you can't, then CALMLY approach them, and explain how you felt about what happened, and then without interrupting them, truly listen to what they have to say!
 
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Grant Napear, who is the play by play commentary guy for the Sacramento Kings, and has been for 30 years, has been sacked for tweeting "All Lives Matter" in response to the current #BLM.

The World is going to hell in a handbag.

While I understand what NicNat said, when he said that "Saying "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" is like walking into a charity event for cancer research, and saying "There are other diseases"."

I just think the PC, touchy-feely, have to be beyond overly sensitive of everyone's feelings type thinking has gone too far, and sacking someone for tweeting "All Lives Matter" is just an example.

To re-word what NicNat said, how about if people looked at it like the people saying "All Lives Matter" aren't saying "There are other diseases" at a cancer research event, but they are saying "Wouldn't it be great, if we could cure all the terrible diseases?".

Why do people jump straight to the "I'm offended", and "You have ignored, and diluted my message" type thinking? Why do they choose to take the worst option possible, to something that was simple, true, heart-felt, and meant to be supportive, but also encompassing?

I have explained similar things to my extended family more than once, and I believe the message is slowly sinking in. It was happening too often in my family, that someone would say or do something, and somebody else in the family would think it was a dig at them, or "minimized" their role or position in the family. When the dust has settled, I explain to them, particularly the "injured" member of the family, that there are quite often more than one way to interpret someone's words or actions. If someone in the family says something you think slights you, then stop! Think about it again! Can it be taken or interpreted in a way that doesn't slight you? 90% of the time, the answer is "Yes, I can see they possibly meant this, and didn't intend to offend/upset me". So I tell them, next time, think about it before you get upset, and try to find the alternate meaning. No one in this family is ever trying to hurt anyone else, deliberately, or even accidently.

Why can't the World be like this? Why does the World jump straight to defensive mode? Or I'm offended mode? Why couldn't people see that Napear wasn't trying to dilute, or trivialise #BLM, he just wanted to show support for ALL lives?

While the World's default position continues to be defensive/offended, and those that are caught up in it are punished for basically innocent things, then we are actually never going to progress. We are never going to get past things like racial or religious prejudice, because those that are getting offended/defensive, particularly those getting offended/defensive on SOMEONE ELSE'S BEHALF, are just replacing the prejudice with another problem. You don't fix problems by creating another problem, particularly if the other problem being created is basically the first problem, but in disguise. In this case, this is exactly what has happened.

Please, good SCS people out there, if anyone you care about, or you think cares about you, says something, or does something, that you think insults, hurts, ignores, offends you in some way, then take the time to try and find an alternate meaning to their actions. If you can't, then CALMLY approach them, and explain how you felt about what happened, and then without interrupting them, truly listen to what they have to say!


Rowsus, once again the voice of reason. You are exactly right, everyones first reaction is to feel hurt or offended, and in most situations it wasn't meant that way. I also think that alot of the so called hurt or offended aren't really hurt or offended but just use it as an excuse to jump on the bandwaggon and get some attention for themselves, especially celebrities. B-graders with flagging careers are always keen to jump on the latest story to try and put themselves back in the limelight. Not saying it is always the case, but I think in many cases it is. Unfortunately this is the world we now live in.
 
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Grant Napear, who is the play by play commentary guy for the Sacramento Kings, and has been for 30 years, has been sacked for tweeting "All Lives Matter" in response to the current #BLM.

The World is going to hell in a handbag.

While I understand what NicNat said, when he said that "Saying "All Lives Matter" in response to "Black Lives Matter" is like walking into a charity event for cancer research, and saying "There are other diseases"."

I just think the PC, touchy-feely, have to be beyond overly sensitive of everyone's feelings type thinking has gone too far, and sacking someone for tweeting "All Lives Matter" is just an example.

To re-word what NicNat said, how about if people looked at it like the people saying "All Lives Matter" aren't saying "There are other diseases" at a cancer research event, but they are saying "Wouldn't it be great, if we could cure all the terrible diseases?".

Why do people jump straight to the "I'm offended", and "You have ignored, and diluted my message" type thinking? Why do they choose to take the worst option possible, to something that was simple, true, heart-felt, and meant to be supportive, but also encompassing?

I have explained similar things to my extended family more than once, and I believe the message is slowly sinking in. It was happening too often in my family, that someone would say or do something, and somebody else in the family would think it was a dig at them, or "minimized" their role or position in the family. When the dust has settled, I explain to them, particularly the "injured" member of the family, that there are quite often more than one way to interpret someone's words or actions. If someone in the family says something you think slights you, then stop! Think about it again! Can it be taken or interpreted in a way that doesn't slight you? 90% of the time, the answer is "Yes, I can see they possibly meant this, and didn't intend to offend/upset me". So I tell them, next time, think about it before you get upset, and try to find the alternate meaning. No one in this family is ever trying to hurt anyone else, deliberately, or even accidently.

Why can't the World be like this? Why does the World jump straight to defensive mode? Or I'm offended mode? Why couldn't people see that Napear wasn't trying to dilute, or trivialise #BLM, he just wanted to show support for ALL lives?

While the World's default position continues to be defensive/offended, and those that are caught up in it are punished for basically innocent things, then we are actually never going to progress. We are never going to get past things like racial or religious prejudice, because those that are getting offended/defensive, particularly those getting offended/defensive on SOMEONE ELSE'S BEHALF, are just replacing the prejudice with another problem. You don't fix problems by creating another problem, particularly if the other problem being created is basically the first problem, but in disguise. In this case, this is exactly what has happened.

Please, good SCS people out there, if anyone you care about, or you think cares about you, says something, or does something, that you think insults, hurts, ignores, offends you in some way, then take the time to try and find an alternate meaning to their actions. If you can't, then CALMLY approach them, and explain how you felt about what happened, and then without interrupting them, truly listen to what they have to say!
Hi Rowsus.

I know you're a smart bloke, so I know this post comes from a place of well meaning and good intent. However, in my humble opinion, it's wrong.

There is a long and nuanced discussion to be had here, and likely a fantasy football forum is not the right platform. So, I'll give my few sentences worth and move on.

First observation: all lives should matter.

Second observation: there is little evidence to suggests that white lives are not considered important. Let's look at boardrooms, to political parties, academic institutions - through to prison cells.

Third observation: for some people, black lives don't matter at all.

Until black lives matter to everyone, we cannot be in a place where all lives matter.

Be mindful of the implications of telling a black person what they meant to say.

With love and respect.

Jaca.
 
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