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Which team wins a final first?

  • Essendon

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In respect of the possible change to a players position status after rd 6 is there any criteria on the number of games they need to have played? Eg take McGovern. He plays three games in the backline and the hammy goes twang. Would three games be enough to get him DPP? Is it a discretionary decision by the powers that be?
 

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Initially I found this far harder than Wordle - why could I not think of any AFL players’ names with five letters?!

I hope the creator of Wordle has done well out of it. It’s extraordinary how popular it has become.
He got seven figures out of the New York Times for it, I'd say he did alright ;)
 
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Used to be great back in the FFC days to lurk in other areas and see how much was groupthink kicking in and how much was just observations that make sense.

For example we all moved very quickly back towards Cripps after basically being unsighted prior to games, the recency bias of games, especially good ones, can be very strong and that emotional response that trumps all common sense analysis.
As someone that was on FFC, I was always curious what was going on in the sealed section...
 
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Anyone had a look at that doco on Stan ? (Show me the money)
A doco about player managers in the AFL system.
It's a awesome insight into how the system works and with some of the interviews it has actually changed my mind on players selected in my team.
Worth a look at.
 
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Used to be great back in the FFC days to lurk in other areas and see how much was groupthink kicking in and how much was just observations that make sense.

For example we all moved very quickly back towards Cripps after basically being unsighted prior to games, the recency bias of games, especially good ones, can be very strong and that emotional response that trumps all common sense analysis.
Only put Cripps into my team just over a week ago. For me it's purely structural at this point in time.
650-700k premo mid down to Cripps makes sense based on where the rookies are showing up and allows me to get my D5 up to Hewett in place of that dodgy 4th back line rookie I am not confident in (Sinn/Hinge)

Still not convinced Hewett goes much better than 90-95 and Cripps 100-105, I'll just hope for better. At worst they still out preform their price and keep a crap rookie from the field.
 
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Here's a thought.

We have no choice but to invest more in our cash cows which means we can't carry as many fully priced premiums, yet we are still expecting our expensive cash cows to make the same profit as past cheap ones. Maybe it's just a good crop of expensive cash cows, time will tell.
We will have more players appreciating in price so will our team value be higher at the end of the year? Will we have stronger teams in general?Can we carry a sub standard D6, M8, F6?
 
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As someone that was on FFC, I was always curious what was going on in the sealed section...
There was two levels of sealed sections. One was just where we posted our teams like the rate my teams thread and had general discussion threads, it was no different to here basically.

The other was to protect those who had inside information from clubs as a few of the members had very strong inside information that couldn't go public or it could expose the insiders who told them the info (things like player x has a groin issue they're battling)





Here's a thought.

We have no choice but to invest more in our cash cows which means we can't carry as many fully priced premiums, yet we are still expecting our expensive cash cows to make the same profit as past cheap ones. Maybe it's just a good crop of expensive cash cows, time will tell.
We will have more players appreciating in price so will our team value be higher at the end of the year? Will we have stronger teams in general?Can we carry a sub standard D6, M8, F6?
I think the weaker cash generation will probably be o***et by 5 extra trades that we can time. I'm still of the opinion that the trade boost is going to be most beneficial on those rounds where there are 3 options and you have to pick 2 in the past, especially rookies. I do fear that the trade boost is going to make final teams even more similar as a lot of those times the 3 into 2 decisions are where the differentiation actually happens.

I wouldn't be building a starting team aiming for a sub-par D6 et al, that's an in-season decision where you might accept keeping a guy to upgrade somewhere else because you can.

I do think that with extra trades and the trade boost flexibility that premium upgrades are going to be more obtainable than in the past which contrary to what I just said does make picking a starting D6 target a bit more palatable, although still could rule out some in season value options. I know last year I struggled massive in defense because I had 5 premiums and Cumming so I couldn't target guys like May and Daniel when they became absurdly cheap and ended up having to try and find value in other positions where the options were a lot weaker in those weeks or paying out the wazoo for the premiums because there weren't value plays.
 
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Here's a thought.

We have no choice but to invest more in our cash cows which means we can't carry as many fully priced premiums, yet we are still expecting our expensive cash cows to make the same profit as past cheap ones. Maybe it's just a good crop of expensive cash cows, time will tell.
We will have more players appreciating in price so will our team value be higher at the end of the year? Will we have stronger teams in general?Can we carry a sub standard D6, M8, F6?
There was two levels of sealed sections. One was just where we posted our teams like the rate my teams thread and had general discussion threads, it was no different to here basically.

The other was to protect those who had inside information from clubs as a few of the members had very strong inside information that couldn't go public or it could expose the insiders who told them the info (things like player x has a groin issue they're battling)







I think the weaker cash generation will probably be o***et by 5 extra trades that we can time. I'm still of the opinion that the trade boost is going to be most beneficial on those rounds where there are 3 options and you have to pick 2 in the past, especially rookies. I do fear that the trade boost is going to make final teams even more similar as a lot of those times the 3 into 2 decisions are where the differentiation actually happens.

I wouldn't be building a starting team aiming for a sub-par D6 et al, that's an in-season decision where you might accept keeping a guy to upgrade somewhere else because you can.

I do think that with extra trades and the trade boost flexibility that premium upgrades are going to be more obtainable than in the past which contrary to what I just said does make picking a starting D6 target a bit more palatable, although still could rule out some in season value options. I know last year I struggled massive in defense because I had 5 premiums and Cumming so I couldn't target guys like May and Daniel when they became absurdly cheap and ended up having to try and find value in other positions where the options were a lot weaker in those weeks or paying out the wazoo for the premiums because there weren't value plays.
Can we bring back the secret secret group please! ha ha

I think in theory we could have stronger teams in the sense that whilst the pricing is more for the players we are picking, they appear to have decent cash generation with a higher liklihood of not needing to be traded out due to being dropped or inability to make money.

The 5 trades supports greater team value, yet Covid impact without a bubble is yet to be seen. Expect if see a player get covid and then out for three weeks due to tightness issues, coaches will get trigger happy on the next one.

Starting with less premiums is the reality (due to higher priced rookies), yet we save 400k on what we paid last year on the big 4 (if you took them).

I am mindful that a weak D4-6 will hurt ultimately. Depends on how weak, if Hewett starts tagging and getting 60-70 then that is pain. If Cripps gets to 105 only and given how costly midfielders are, maybe thats ok.

It feels like we can go for more cash generation this year yet I wouldn't weaken the premium picks too much. If Cripps, Rowell, Hewett do well or misfire then the impact will be binary as they are owned by half of the good coaches (30-40% overall), not by everyone. If Oliver goes bang or Touk doesn't fire it will be similar.
 
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There was two levels of sealed sections. One was just where we posted our teams like the rate my teams thread and had general discussion threads, it was no different to here basically.

The other was to protect those who had inside information from clubs as a few of the members had very strong inside information that couldn't go public or it could expose the insiders who told them the info (things like player x has a groin issue they're battling)







I think the weaker cash generation will probably be o***et by 5 extra trades that we can time. I'm still of the opinion that the trade boost is going to be most beneficial on those rounds where there are 3 options and you have to pick 2 in the past, especially rookies. I do fear that the trade boost is going to make final teams even more similar as a lot of those times the 3 into 2 decisions are where the differentiation actually happens.

I wouldn't be building a starting team aiming for a sub-par D6 et al, that's an in-season decision where you might accept keeping a guy to upgrade somewhere else because you can.

I do think that with extra trades and the trade boost flexibility that premium upgrades are going to be more obtainable than in the past which contrary to what I just said does make picking a starting D6 target a bit more palatable, although still could rule out some in season value options. I know last year I struggled massive in defense because I had 5 premiums and Cumming so I couldn't target guys like May and Daniel when they became absurdly cheap and ended up having to try and find value in other positions where the options were a lot weaker in those weeks or paying out the wazoo for the premiums because there weren't value plays.
The more you know! Appreciate that, something I've always been curious about.
 

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Anyone had a look at that doco on Stan ? (Show me the money)
A doco about player managers in the AFL system.
It's a awesome insight into how the system works and with some of the interviews it has actually changed my mind on players selected in my team.
Worth a look at.
Thanks Creeker, it sounds interesting - I’ll check it out.

In terms of it changing your views on players, could you give us a flavor? Was it those you saw feature in the doco, or something different?
 
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