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Neil Craig is a bit of a coach spud imo - yep, he did ok at the Crows a while back, but I can't think of anything else he has done. Perhaps the strategy role will be better suited to him?
 

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Neil Craig is a bit of a coach spud imo - yep, he did ok at the Crows a while back, but I can't think of anything else he has done. Perhaps the strategy role will be better suited to him?
His interview on Bomber TV is quite interesting. He actually made the point that he will be a step back/removed from the players, so won't actually coach the players much. His main role will be looking after the development of the coaches, so he will focus on being a mentor to the coaches, helping the coaches grow and their professional development etc. In other words he is the coach of the coaches.
 
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Well, I guess time will tell.

Like your green shoots pic Philzsay, if there is anytime to be positive about the future, it is the off season! :)
 

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Well, I guess time will tell.

Like your green shoots pic Philzsay, if there is anytime to be positive about the future, it is the off season! :)
Cheers. I have implemented a rotational policy with my picture! Trying to make it relevant to the time period or something happening at the time, so yeah this one is about new life. The previous pic of the old man I had was Edmund Barton, who was Australia's first Prime Minister which I put up due to the election.
 

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A summary of each clubs B&F results, except WCE and FREO who have yet to have there counts.

2013 best and fairest winner of each club

ADELAIDE: Malcolm Blight Medal
1. Rory Sloane 71 votes
2. Richard Douglas 68
3. Patrick Dangerfield 60
4. Daniel Talia 60
5. Andy Otten 51
6. Luke Brown 47
7. Scott Thompson 45
8. Ben Rutten 41
9. Tom Lynch 40
10. Brad Crouch 39

BRISBANE LIONS: Merrett-Murray Medal
1. Joel Patfull 31.5
2. Pearce Hanley 30.5
3. Jack Redden 26.5
4. Tom Rockliff 25
4. Dayne Zorko 25
6. Matthew Leuenberger 24
7. Jed Adcock 20
8. Brent Moloney 18
8. Andrew Raines 18
10. Mitch Golby 16.5
10. Sam Mayes 16.5

CARLTON: John Nicholls Medal
1. Kade Simpson 92 votes
2. Andrew Walker 77
3. Lachie Henderson 71
4. Ed Curnow 67
5. Bryce Gibbs 55
6. Michael Jamison 54
7. Zach Tuohy 53
8. Chris Judd 52
8. Brock McLean 52
10. Jeff Garlett 51

COLLINGWOOD: Copeland Trophy
1. Scott Pendlebury 192 votes
2. Dane Swan 155
3. Steele Sidebottom 133
4. Travis Cloke 108
5. Harry O’Brien 101
6. Brent Macaffer 76
7. Marley Williams 70
8. Heath Shaw 69
9. Nathan Brown 61
10. Jamie Elliott 59

ESSENDON: W. S. Crichton Medal
1. Brendon Goddard 431 votes
2. Jobe Watson 382
3. Dyson Heppell 336
4. Michael Hibberd 321
5. Jake Melksham 294
6. Jake Carlisle 241
7. Brent Stanton 229
8. Heath Hocking 211
9. Cale Hooker 207
10. David Zaharakis 191

FREMANTLE: Doig Medal
Count to be held on November 16

GEELONG: Carji Greeves medal
1. Joel Selwood 323 votes
2. Harry Taylor 311
3. Andrew Mackie 308
4. Mathew Stokes 307
5. Steven Motlop 306
6. Corey Enright 303
7. Jimmy Bartel 298
8. Allen Christensen 296
9. Mitch Duncan 290
10. Tom Lonergan 281

GOLD COAST: Club Champion Award
1. Gary Ablett 260 votes
2. Dion Prestia 213
3. Jaeger O’Meara 204
4. Rory Thompson 162
5. Jarrod Harbrow 149
6. Danny Stanley 142
7. David Swallow 135
8. Aaron Hall 130
9. Trent McKenzie 120
10. Harley Bennell 103

GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY: Kevin Sheedy Medal
1. Jeremy Cameron 64 votes
2. Callan Ward 59
3. Tom Scully 55
4. Dylan Shiel 41
5. Adam Treloar 39
6. Jonathan Giles 38
7. Lachie Whitfield 36
8. Taylor Adams 34
9. Curtly Hampton 34
10. Tim Mohr 32

HAWTHORN: Peter Crimmins Medal
1. Josh Gibson 178 votes
2. Jarryd Roughead 167
3. Sam Mitchell 157
4. Ben Stratton 152
5. Luke Hodge 146
6. Shaun Burgoyne 127
7. Grant Birchall 120
8. Luke Breust 116
8. Jack Gunston 116
10. Isaac Smith 109

MELBOURNE: Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Memorial Trophy
1. Nathan Jones 365 votes
2. Colin Garland 360
3. Dean Terlich 306
4. Matt Jones 303
5. Colin Sylvia 288
6. Lynden Dunn 270
7. James Frawley 268
8. Jack Trengove 257
9. Jeremy Howe 256
10. Tom McDonald 249

NORTH MELBOURNE: Syd Barker Medal
1. Scott Thompson 50 votes
1. Daniel Wells 50
3. Todd Goldstein 49
4. Drew Petrie 46
5. Ben Cunnington 45*
6. Ryan Bastinac 45*
7. Jack Ziebell 43
8. Lachie Hansen 41*
9. Sam Gibson 41*
10. Aaron Mullett 40

PORT ADELAIDE: John Cahill Medal
1. Chad Wingard 284 votes
2. Travis Boak 266
3. Kane Cornes 221
4. Brad Ebert 210
5. Justin Westhoff 199
6. Angus Monfries 186
7. Jay Schulz 171
8. Cameron O'Shea 166
9. Hamish Hartlett 164
10. Matthew Lobbe 156

RICHMOND: Jack Dyer Medal
1. Daniel Jackson 264 votes
2. Dustin Martin 255
3. Troy Chaplin 241
4. Brett Deledio 238
5. Trent Cotchin 237
6. Alex Rance 231
7. Steven Morris 211
7. Jack Riewoldt 211
9. Shaun Grigg 191
10. Bachar Houli 187

ST KILDA: Trevor Barker Medal
1. Jack Steven 152 votes
2. Nick Riewoldt 115
3. Leigh Montagna 113
4. Jarryn Geary 76
5. David Armitage 73
6. Nick Dal Santo 70
7. Sean Dempster 57
8. Clint Jones 56
9. Farren Ray 51
10. Dylan Roberton 46

SYDNEY SWANS: Bob Skilton Medal
1. Jarrad McVeigh 807 votes
2. Kieren Jack 769
3. Josh Kennedy 650
4. Dan Hannebery 634
5. Ryan O’Keefe 625
6. Luke Parker 542
7. Ted Richards 483
8. Craig Bird 479
9. Nick Smith 453
10. Nick Malceski 443

WEST COAST: Club Champion Award
Count to be held on November 29th

WESTERN BULLDOGS: Charles Sutton Medal

1. Ryan Griffen 273 votes
2. Tom Liberatore 242
3. Will Minson 184
4. Robert Murphy 176
5. Dale Morris 166
6. Luke Dahlhaus 151
7. Adam Cooney 144
8. Daniel Giansiracusa 134
9. Jordan Roughead 88
10. Mitch Wallis 82
 

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Thanks for that GG. It's an interesting read when you see them all together.

Great effort from first year players, Crouch, Mayes, O'Meara, Whitfield, Terlich and Matt Jones to finish in their club's top ten. Also by Wingard to knock off Boak, Kornes and Ebert. I wouldn't think there would be too many 2nd year full forwards in the history of the game winning their B&F, like Cameron managed to.

Noticeable by their absence in your post were 'superstars', Franklin (missed 3), Steve Johnson (missed 6) and A Swallow (missed 5).

Some surprising results when you try to correlate them to Supercoach.
Rockliff only 4th at Lions. Luke Brown a surprising 6th at the Crows. Dusty knocked off Lids and Cotch at Tigers. I was surprised at the gap between Steven and NRoo, Montagna at StK. I'm sure there are others.

Could Birchall have won the hawks B&F if he didn't miss 7 consecutive games, (8 for the year) with that injury that cruelled a lot of us SC players?
 

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...and a defender takes out Brisbane's B&F for the second year in a row
 

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Also worth noting that the Cats best and fairest system only counts the best 21 games (4 games removed each year) played by a player to account for injuries and suspensions. Based on that you would expect a better result for SJ than 13th, but I guess all the turnovers counted against him.
 
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Not just "a", "the same" :p. Good on him.
Patfull plays his role at Brisbane very well - led the team for 1 percenters and was 11th AFL wide this year. Reads the play well and takes a lot of intercept marks. For a team that has more ball coming that way than going forward atm, you can see why he could potentially win their count. I picked him up as a free agent just after mid season in SC Draft and he was more than a serviceable scorer in defense.
 
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So in the coaching merry go round it looks to have finally settled down.
To summarize Dees sacked Neeld and eventually talk Roos into coaching a few years and to also groom their next coach but the ideal candidate for long term, in my mind , was Adam Simpson and he took up the West Coast coaching spot when Worsfold called it a day.

Dees still need to find the chosen one for the long term but for now they least have some decent people looking after the reigns.

Neil Craig filled in as coach for Dees after Neeld was sacked and then after some talk with Lions he ended up taking up a role at Essendon to give some much needed experience and direction to a football department that was in the news for all the wrong reasons in 2013. Bombers Thompson eventually gets his head around coaching Essendon for a year with Hird suspended. Goodwin stays on as senior assistant coach for 2014. I'll be interested to see in the time of 2014 whether Hird and Essendon have a change of mind and he decides not to come back in 2015.
He probably will be back in 2015 but if he felt a change of heart and skip the whole coaching career I would not be totally surprised.

Scott Waters and St.Kilda is so far, proving, not, to be all plain sailing and no one really knows what is going on behind the scenes but it was clear Waters said St.Kilda had no key defenders so any trading seems hellbent on getting some key defenders for future even if it means giving up good players to get picks in draft to look for one there. Josh Bruce seems the only one they can extract from present AFL lists but he is still very raw but beggars can not be choosers.
Not sure supporters and everyone all excited about the way Waters approaches running things but no sign of him leaving.
Seems like an unhappy club in general.

Lions a bit of a mess too with sacking Voss but not everyone on same page there and eventually Leppitsch gets given the keys to coach the players. Got no idea of whether he can coach or not. Tudor and Simpson I'm not sure they were organized enough to get.

Meanwhile McCartney at Bulldogs is one coach in his first few years where everything seems to be going in right direction and road the bumpy patches without the same heat as Mark Neeld or Voss the victims from coaching merry go round.

Leon Cameron takes over the reigns of coaching GWS after legendary coach Sheedy retires. Maybe Sheedy done a lot of good work to set it up well for him like Barassi did at Sydney before Swans made Grand Final with Eade in mid 90's.

Personally not totally convinced the fires are not burning brightly still in M Voss to coach at some stage again. I remember a Malcolm Blight having his first go at coaching at North Melbourne and it did not go well but years later he became a fairly successful coach at Geelong and Crows. I just wonder if with Simpson off the radar, Roosy taking M Voss under his wing for a few years to be the next Dees coach is not worth exploring. It is the one piece in the puzzle that still intrigues me. Just sense Voss would make a better go at it a 2nd time around. I'll be interested to watch what Dees do. Cameron Ling possibly or Tudor aswell ???
 
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I agree ORF. I get the sense Voss would be a good coach 2nd time around and hope that Roos talks to him. I too remember Blight at NM and then what happened at Geelong and Adelaide. I'm still worried by our lack of action at the trade table this week.
 

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Patfull plays his role at Brisbane very well - led the team for 1 percenters and was 11th AFL wide this year. Reads the play well and takes a lot of intercept marks. For a team that has more ball coming that way than going forward atm, you can see why he could potentially win their count. I picked him up as a free agent just after mid season in SC Draft and he was more than a serviceable scorer in defense.
Yeah he's a very good and consistent defender, and most best and fairest's reward consistency.
 

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Stuart Dew signs a new 3 year new contract to stay on with the Swans!!!
Wow.....he decided not to become Roos' senior assistant @Melbourne with view of taking over in 2 years time as senior coach.

Great stuff. Swans already lost Tudor and Stone. Losing Dew would have thinned our coaching stocks and Simon Black decided to play on another year. Perhaps we can get Black next year.
 

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It was mentioned in an AFL web article that Craig will help mentor Goodwin in view of turning him from an assistant coach to a senior coach prospect.

His interview on Bomber TV is quite interesting. He actually made the point that he will be a step back/removed from the players, so won't actually coach the players much. His main role will be looking after the development of the coaches, so he will focus on being a mentor to the coaches, helping the coaches grow and their professional development etc. In other words he is the coach of the coaches.
 

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Who's next in line for number 23 at Hawthorn?

Buddy, Dermie, Don Scott, John Peck the ones to wear it prior. Did Buddy always wear 23? Did Hawthorn just knw he'd be a star or did wearing the 23 inspire him to be one? :D
 

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Who's next in line for number 23 at Hawthorn?

Buddy, Dermie, Don Scott, John Peck the ones to wear it prior. Did Buddy always wear 23? Did Hawthorn just knw he'd be a star or did wearing the 23 inspire him to be one? :D
I am pretty sure he started with number 38 and when Nathan Thompson left for North he took over the 23.
 
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