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[Impromptu]

Hypothetical question -

What do you think is more value for Melbourne, Paul Roos (for say 3 years) or 1st and 2nd draft pick?

I think Roos coaching Melbourne is fantastic and I'm leaning towards Paul Roos over draft pick 1 and 2, mainly because it's something new to the club, new culture and proven coach.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Hypothetical question -

What do you think is more value for Melbourne, Paul Roos (for say 3 years) or 1st and 2nd draft pick?

I think Roos coaching Melbourne is fantastic!

Roos for sure. I don't remember a more important coaching appointment for a club than this for some time.

Hopefully he can do for Melbourne what Sheedy did for Essendon in early 1980's when Essendon was a club in wilderness and Sheedy brought in a great culture that turned Essendon into a power team by mid 80's and won two premierships in a row in 1984 and 85. I personally think Roos most important coach in the league at present. It will be harder for Roos to turn Dees into a premiership contender than Sheedy had for Bombers when he took over but over time he could really turn things around if he is there for the long haul.
Talent on list a bit thin at present but with an 18 team league you don't need to have 5 or 6 superstars to turn things around.
Build a list over time around Hogan, Viney, Howe & Toumpas types he has to start with as the young talent on his list.
If he could get the very best out of Watts, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Clark, McDonald, Blease, Trengrove and Grimes he *might* be able to make finals within 3 years. Tough ask no matter how good a coach you are but that is the task ahead of him.

 

[Rowsus]

Hypothetical question -

What do you think is more value for Melbourne, Paul Roos (for say 3 years) or 1st and 2nd draft pick?

I think Roos coaching Melbourne is fantastic and I'm leaning towards Paul Roos over draft pick 1 and 2, mainly because it's something new to the club, new culture and proven coach.

Roos for sure. I don't remember a more important coaching appointment for a club than this for some time.

Hopefully he can do for Melbourne what Sheedy did for Essendon in early 1980's when Essendon was a club in wilderness and Sheedy brought in a great culture that turned Essendon into a power team by mid 80's and won two premierships in a row in 1984 and 85. I personally think Roos most important coach in the league at present. It will be harder for Roos to turn Dees into a premiership contender than Sheedy had for Bombers when he took over but over time he could really turn things around if he is there for the long haul.
Talent on list a bit thin at present but with an 18 team league you don't need to have 5 or 6 superstars to turn things around.
Build a list over time around Hogan, Viney, Howe & Toumpas types he has to start with as the young talent on his list.
If he could get the very best out of Watts, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Clark, McDonald, Blease, Trengrove and Grimes he *might* be able to make finals within 3 years. Tough ask no matter how good a coach you are but that is the task ahead of him.

Oz nailed it. The first step on the road back is the biggest step. Whoever gets the job needs to totally change the players mindset, and approach to the game and training. This is hard, because a lot of the players think they have this pretty much right. They don't.

 

[BC]

Total Clean Slate:
As previously stated its alot to do with mind set.
The players have to have hunger. Want to achieve greatness.
The players that run out there because they class it as a job have to be shown the door.
Sydney, Geelong are great examples. They have great leaders for the young kids to learn off.
Imagine comming into a team as a kid and having the likes of selwood, mecveigh to look up to, to learn off.
This could be the reason the young kids from melbourne havn't played to the level they've been expected to reach.

Afl isnt a job its a privilege.

 

[IDIG]

A few B&F results.

Gary Ablett has won the Gold Coast B&F (260)
Dion Prestia 2nd (213)
Jaeger O'meara 3rd (204)

Joel Patful has won the Brisbane B&F
Pearce Hanley 2nd
Jack Redden 3rd

Rory Sloane has taken out the Adelaide B&F
Richard Douglas 2nd
Patrick Dangerfield 3rd

Jack Steven has won the saints B&F
Nick Riewoldt 2nd
Leigh Montagna 3rd

Ryan Griffen has taken out his second consecutive Charles Sutton Medal (B&F)
Tom Liberatore 2nd
Will Minson 3rd

 

[meataxe]

Hypothetical question -

What do you think is more value for Melbourne, Paul Roos (for say 3 years) or 1st and 2nd draft pick?

I think Roos coaching Melbourne is fantastic and I'm leaning towards Paul Roos over draft pick 1 and 2, mainly because it's something new to the club, new culture and proven coach.

Roos definitely more important. There are so many problems in Melbourne, getting a proven coach eliminates one variable. Plus, early draft picks come every year for mediocre team...proven coaches are a far rare commodity.

 

[av1jme]

Definitely a good coach. Melbourne has had a lot of 1st and priority picks over the years but have not been able to build a strong squad.

Hypothetical question -

What do you think is more value for Melbourne, Paul Roos (for say 3 years) or 1st and 2nd draft pick?

I think Roos coaching Melbourne is fantastic and I'm leaning towards Paul Roos over draft pick 1 and 2, mainly because it's something new to the club, new culture and proven coach.

 

[soidog]

As a Melbourne supporter, I'm starting to get a little gun shy of high draft picks. It's almost as if they're a dime a dozen at MFC.

Pick 4 2007 - C. Morton, a former Larke Medallist traded in 2012 for pick 88 to WCE.
Pick 1 2008 - J. Watts, perhaps the AFL's biggest enigma?
Pick 1 2009 - T. Scully, purchased by GWS. (This may work out to be a win in hindsight).
Pick 2 2009 - J. Trengove, being totally honest, I'm not convinced. Think N.Fyfe (P20) or A. Christenson (P40) in the same draft.
Pick 11 2009 - J. Gysberts, traded in 2012 for pick 63 to NMFC.
Pick 12 2010 - L. Cook, delisted 2012

I know every club has failures and there is a belief MFC have been poor at developing players. I would suggest the above proves that, considering all of these players were highly rated by every 'expert', perhaps with the exception of Lucas Cook.

The above, among a raft of other things, needed to change. It's started to when they employed Peter Jackson as CEO and I'm confident it will continue under Paul Roos. There is no way, hypothetically speaking of course, I would ever consider swapping Roos for any draft pick

 

[BC]

Interesting where mm will play gibbs this weekend.
Could be the indercater to his permanant position/roll next year

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Interesting where mm will play gibbs this weekend.
Could be the indercater to his permanant position/roll next year

It should not be interesting at all. If MM has not figured out his best spot is clearly in midfield after last two games then I give up on expecting us to do any good. For all the hype around Judd's great 3rd quarter and Murphy & Robbo's good games there was no doubt really that Gibbs was best on ground over the four quarter. An overrated want to be, on opposition team, failed when the heat of a big final rose in second half whilst Gibbs rose to the occasion and won so many important clearances for us it was not funny. Just leave him there. It is his best spot where he can play his best football. Hopefully he is matched up with Josh Kennedy again this weekend.

 

[Zim^zuM]

Hypothetical question -

What do you think is more value for Melbourne, Paul Roos (for say 3 years) or 1st and 2nd draft pick?

I think Roos coaching Melbourne is fantastic and I'm leaning towards Paul Roos over draft pick 1 and 2, mainly because it's something new to the club, new culture and proven coach.

I'm sure it's been covered but the enthusiasm he brings after hitting rock bottom is priceless and worth more tha two young players. His appoinment brings back fans, converts them into members. It bring in sponsors and keeps anyone who hung around. It could keep existing players who wanted to leave and he could then bring the best out of them. 3 years of developing current young players into something. People will want to come to melbourne and they wont all leave when Roos does meaning a new coach will come into a good environment not a rabble. IMO it's a no brainer. I'd even go Roos over pick 1,2,3,4. Because Melbourne have shown if upstairs is a rabble nothing comes of high draft picks anyways. They have had plenty and blown it.

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Given it turns out Roos is now only going to be coaching them for 3 years and grooming a new coach to continue on after that it is super important the Dees get the right man for longer term. The man that is ideal for long term is Adam Simpson. Having meet the guy years ago he is born to be a career coach and a bloody good one at that. Clubs really should be trying to find coaches that will coach their club for a decade or more. Simmo I reckon is the man. Being mentored by Roosy for 3 years would be awesome path to be groomed and ready have a long career as an AFL coach.

 

[Courtesans]

I am a Collingwood supporter, and ****ed off. Well done Buckley, impose yourself on that group.

 

[BC]

I am a Collingwood supporter, and ****ed off. Well done Buckley, impose yourself on that group.

I agree, I get the feel the players think wins are just gonna happen cos of past glory , drum it into them its not 2010 and stop riding on the malthouse achievments/glory.
were not that team, that times well gone.
get hungry, put in the effort or get shown the door

 

[OzRulesFootball]

Kruezer looking touch and go to play this weekend. Hopefully 2 more day rest is enough otherwise Casboult gets another chance I guess.

 

[Maso]

Taking a break see yas all in around draft time

 

[BC]

If all these brisbane players leave as reported there should be some good kids to choose from.
Claye beams....get on it

 

[av1jme]

Question is whether Adam wants to do another 2-3 years apprenticeship. He's in the race for Brisbane, West Coast and Geelong head coach position at the end of the season. And next year, who knows what other opportunities will come up.

Given it turns out Roos is now only going to be coaching them for 3 years and grooming a new coach to continue on after that it is super important the Dees get the right man for longer term. The man that is ideal for long term is Adam Simpson. Having meet the guy years ago he is born to be a career coach and a bloody good one at that. Clubs really should be trying to find coaches that will coach their club for a decade or more. Simmo I reckon is the man. Being mentored by Roosy for 3 years would be awesome path to be groomed and ready have a long career as an AFL coach.

 

[Nk29]

Question is whether Adam wants to do another 2-3 years apprenticeship. He's in the race for Brisbane, West Coast and Geelong head coach position at the end of the season. And next year, who knows what other opportunities will come up.

Lol *** are you trolling?

 

[Impromptu]

Taking a break see yas all in around draft time

See you sooner online