Position Midfielder Discussion

Who are your likely 3 starters post Marsh 1...?

  • Macrae

    Votes: 73 69.5%
  • Neale

    Votes: 56 53.3%
  • Fyfe

    Votes: 21 20.0%
  • Kelly

    Votes: 24 22.9%
  • Cripps

    Votes: 57 54.3%
  • Dunkley

    Votes: 26 24.8%
  • Titch

    Votes: 19 18.1%
  • Danger

    Votes: 25 23.8%
  • Bont

    Votes: 25 23.8%
  • Oliver

    Votes: 35 33.3%

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Does a bloke who averaged 117 after the bye really need to step up that much more? Sometimes it just takes a player finding their feet with a new team to find a new level nobody thought they had in them as a footballer.
He's an older player and therefore his jump in scoring is more likely to be a result of a hot patch of form rather than genuine improvement as a player.
 
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Cripps might be one to suffer a bit from the reduced game time given his time on ground has been so large (and his minutes look set to go down), but at the same time he would be one to benefit from scaling as his impact as Carlton's best player is astronomical.

Ultimately I think these rules hurt him to a small extent but I don't want to start changing premium midfielders I was set on just because of them, as thats dangerous and could cloud my judgement.

It does make a few guys like Merrett and Matt Crouch a bit more valuable given their low tog.
 

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A lot of theories on the shortened game time going around. Rightly or wrongly, after some thought, I think I'm leaning towards the view that the more "impact" and high CP% players (rather than the accumulators) will benefit from shorter games.

This has led to Bont over Macrae for me. Leaning towards Fyfe over Jelly and also slotting in Oliver. Danger/Cripps I think both have high CP% so will be fine.

Neale had high TOG but also high CP%. Not sure where it leaves him so I've taken him out.

Dunkley had a high CP% last season, so I think I'm less against starting him. But there was some analysis that suggested only one of Bont/Dunkley go big together so probably not a good move to start both.

So after having Macrae/JKelly all preseason (and Neale for a lot of it too), I'm considering the more "impact" combination of:
Fyfe, Cripps, Danger, Bont, Oliver

It could all just be the last minute craziness kicking in. But it's where I'm at currently!
 
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Yeo stands out on this analysis too for anyone wavering on him. 54% CP% in 2019 and 50% CP% in 2018. Very high so I'd classify him as an "impact" player.
Only slight concern is another bull in the engine room with Tim Kelly entering and no one dropping out.

They now have a midfield of Kelly, Shuey, Yeo, Gaff, Redden, Sheed.
 

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Only slight concern is another bull in the engine room with Tim Kelly entering and no one dropping out.

They now have a midfield of Kelly, Shuey, Yeo, Gaff, Redden, Sheed.
Yep I think that's the main thing but I saw a comment that they might use TKelly more forward this year as W.Rioli was out for the year and they didn't have a proper replacement as yet. I think the article is earlier in the thread somewhere (posted by me).
 
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A lot of theories on the shortened game time going around. Rightly or wrongly, after some thought, I think I'm leaning towards the view that the more "impact" and high CP% players (rather than the accumulators) will benefit from shorter games.

This has led to Bont over Macrae for me. Leaning towards Fyfe over Jelly and also slotting in Oliver. Danger/Cripps I think both have high CP% so will be fine.

Neale had high TOG but also high CP%. Not sure where it leaves him so I've taken him out.

Dunkley had a high CP% last season, so I think I'm less against starting him. But there was some analysis that suggested only one of Bont/Dunkley go big together so probably not a good move to start both.

So after having Macrae/JKelly all preseason (and Neale for a lot of it too), I'm considering the more "impact" combination of:
Fyfe, Cripps, Danger, Bont, Oliver

It could all just be the last minute craziness kicking in. But it's where I'm at currently!
Similar midfield but i went Coniglio over Oliver for the goal impact.
 

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Similar midfield but i went Coniglio over Oliver for the goal impact.
Cogs an interesting one. Goal impact is definitely a plus for him. His CP% are a bit lower at 37% in 2019 and 40% in 2018 FWIW.

You're right though that midfielders who are good at kicking goals would also be considered "impact" players so I quite like the punt!
 
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Cogs an interesting one. Goal impact is definitely a plus for him. His CP% are a bit lower at 37% in 2019 and 40% in 2018 FWIW.

You're right though that midfielders who are good at kicking goals would also be considered "impact" players so I quite like the punt!
Usually a fast starter aswell
 

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You're doing this all wrong...

Shorter games will benefit players who has an inherent higher ratio, be it impact, CPs, goals, etc.
 

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You're doing this all wrong...

Shorter games will benefit players who has an inherent higher ratio, be it impact, CPs, goals, etc.
Was this directed at me?

I agree that "goal impact" counts for a lot as well. It's hard to measure that so I've just looked at CP% so far but yes I think goal impact will be crucial as well for midfielders in SC. Just not sure how the "accumulator" types go.
 

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Was this directed at me?

I agree that "goal impact" counts for a lot as well. It's hard to measure that so I've just looked at CP% so far but yes I think goal impact will be crucial as well for midfielders in SC. Just not sure how the "accumulator" types go.
Not directly...just scanning through comments re effects of shorten games. Apology if you took that personally.

My take is that it reduces the number of 'acts' during a game, disposal, tackles, HOs, goals, etc. This will be more evident in Fantasy/DT formats, however, in SC the total points awarded for each game will be calibrated to approx. 3,300/game through a scaling factor. This scaling factor is the big unknown as it's very dynamic depending on the act and situation of the game.

Players who've exhibit a good ratio (SC v DT) over the years have more often than not benefited from this scaling adjustment, think Fyfe, Danger & Bont to name a few. That's what I mean by looking at players with good historical ratio.
 

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Not directly...just scanning through comments re effects of shorten games. Apology if you took that personally.

My take is that it reduces the number of 'acts' during a game, disposal, tackles, HOs, goals, etc. This will be more evident in Fantasy/DT formats, however, in SC the total points awarded for each game will be calibrated to approx. 3,300/game through a scaling factor. This scaling factor is the big unknown as it's very dynamic depending on the act and situation of the game.

Players who've exhibit a good ratio (SC v DT) over the years have more often than not benefited from this scaling adjustment, think Fyfe, Danger & Bont to name a few. That's what I mean by looking at players with good historical ratio.
Gotcha, yes I totally agree. The "SC favourites" will be even more "favoured".
 
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I think that you're better off picking durable players this year more than ever. Although game times will be shorter, surely the players that miss games through injury and soreness will need a rest at some stage later in the season when teams start playing B2Bs.
 
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