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Thx mate. Just the 15k but happy to sit on that team for another week til we get another week's worth of info.
No trades for me this week but C Allan's on the chopping block with L Garner the preferred option via CNK and B Nikora but this would require A Tolman to be traded to K Bromwich which I'd like to get another look at.

This would mean barring injuries my FR would be complete A Fifita, M Taupau with S Lane as the reserve with the intention of turning Bromwich (assuming he has another good performance) to a heavily discounted A Crichton in the next couple of rounds which would also complete my 2RF which bar injuries which would be J Trbojevic, J Arrow, A Crichton with C Murray as the reserve.
 

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Thx mate. Anything that stands out for next week? Burr was one that somehow dropped out of my lineup so plan to grab him if he scores well again.
Burr has JS issues, which is the reason he would have been left out. Teddy is your other big issue (and mine), so to do him and a rookie (or mid-price) change then one trade needs to be done this week. Flegler (or Sivo) for Garner would be a good move.

Ponga and Flegler/Sivo for Garner and .............you have multiple options with position swings.
 

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@KLo30, @Pookus McFly, @IDIG

What's your thoughts on S Lane as a captain option this round against the Dogs with his great performance last round in conjunction with Brown's injury ensuring him heavy minutes.

Safe option is one of J Turbo, J Arrow or A Fifita but going pod might make it a bit more interesting.

My playing 17 for RD2 is J Friend, K Holland, A Fifita, M Taupau, A Tolman, J Trbojevic, J Arrow, S Lane, C Murray, B Nikora, N Cleary, M Morgan, E Marsters, C Gutherson, J Bateman, C Nicoll-Klokstad and M Moylan.
 

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^ sorry mate, i'm the wrong person to ask! :LOL:

Burr has JS issues, which is the reason he would have been left out. Teddy is your other big issue (and mine), so to do him and a rookie (or mid-price) change then one trade needs to be done this week. Flegler (or Sivo) for Garner would be a good move.

Ponga and Flegler/Sivo for Garner and .............you have multiple options with position swings.
Sounds good. Have done Out: Ponga/Sivo, In: Garner/Burns which leaves me 250k for next week.
 

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^ sorry mate, i'm the wrong person to ask! :LOL:



Sounds good. Have done Out: Ponga/Sivo, In: Garner/Burns which leaves me 250k for next week.
What's the worry/reason with Ponga or is it purely for cash generation purposes.
 

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What's the worry/reason with Ponga or is it purely for cash generation purposes.
Just taking a stab at him being a problem tbh. Ken mentioned there were a few players that might need fixing and i landed on him (for no real reason).
 

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Just taking a stab at him being a problem tbh. Ken mentioned there were a few players that might need fixing and i landed on him (for no real reason).
Very risky as he should be/close to the highest averaging 5/8 as well as possessing DPP (FB) and Sivo is still named in their squad and their scores in the 1st round has the least bearing on price as it only affects 1 change and most of the RD1 matches were rain affected as well as plenty of errors.

I'd think Napa and Kahu are more pressing issues as both's cash generation are limited and Ponga could easily score a 60-70+ this round.
 

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What's the worry/reason with Ponga or is it purely for cash generation purposes.
Just taking a stab at him being a problem tbh. Ken mentioned there were a few players that might need fixing and i landed on him (for no real reason).
Ponga had the position change issue leading into round 1. He played poorly in a dry game in his new position. If one is to change a keeper after round 1 he is a prime candidate.
 

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@KLo30 Greatly appreciate your thoughts on A Fifita or S Lane for the C this week.

Excerpt from NRL Supercoach talk RD2 captains article regarding A Fifita
"He played a mammoth 73 minutes against the Knights and produced a huge workload of 31 tackles and 16 hitups. His score could have been a lot higher too as 12 of those hitups were less than 8 metre runs. The Knights pack is greatly improved from last season, and you could argue that the Titans are too, but the four front rowers are the Raiders produced 40 total runs in week 1 and 24 of them were over 8 metres. In the pouring rain too. So Fifita could have a better day than he did a week ago and add to his previous games of 55, 74, 57, 103, 93, 66 and another 93. "
 

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@KLo30 Greatly appreciate your thoughts on A Fifita or S Lane for the C this week.

Excerpt from NRL Supercoach talk RD2 captains article regarding A Fifita
"He played a mammoth 73 minutes against the Knights and produced a huge workload of 31 tackles and 16 hitups. His score could have been a lot higher too as 12 of those hitups were less than 8 metre runs. The Knights pack is greatly improved from last season, and you could argue that the Titans are too, but the four front rowers are the Raiders produced 40 total runs in week 1 and 24 of them were over 8 metres. In the pouring rain too. So Fifita could have a better day than he did a week ago and add to his previous games of 55, 74, 57, 103, 93, 66 and another 93. "
Fifita is the safe option, he will likely give you a point a minute or better. Lane was good, however he is definitely a riskier option.

Here is Trent Copelands take (who we all beat last week):

SuperCoach NRL: Trent Copeland’s captaincy picks for round two
Trent Copeland, The Daily Telegraph

Woah, can we all just take a chill pill on the panic trades and writing off the likes of Ponga, Tedesco, Cook et al as ‘failures’ after one game in the pouring rain?

After all the drama of last weekend … Who on earth do we entrust with the all-important ‘Orange Armband’?
Each week I will delve into the stats that stick out, the best matchups, form and even sometimes a gut feel to find you the best skippers of the week.
Without further ado …
Trent Copeland crunches the stats in search of the right man to carry the armband in round two.
VC OPTIONS
Many teams will be left with the likes of Simonsson, Xerri, and or Albert Hopoate among others as loophole skippers who wont play this weekend, so we have our first chance at a legitimate VC option!
Gareth Widdop 5/8 | FLB (Dragons) vs. Rabbitohs
Those of you who own Widdop and are considering selling him after one poor game in the wet against the Cowboys, let me double down on that and call him your likely highest upside VC option this week. Playing at home (Jubilee Oval) on a beautiful Sydney evening weather wise against the Rabbitohs, Widdop averages over 80PPG here and last season played four matches for an average of 74.3PPG and high score of 106 points in round one against the Broncos. If you’re one of the 10% of teams who own Widdop, he is the perfect POD VC in the first game of the round.
Sam Burgess FRF | 2RF (Rabbitohs) vs. Dragons
‘Surgess’ played very well last weekend against the Roosters at the SCG, scoring a try and going on to score 68 points in 66 minutes — which was interrupted by a HIA late in the game, meaning he may well have been on track to play the full 80 minutes. So, fast forward a week to a matchup with the Dragons who he averages a HUGE 75.9PPG across a 12 match career, in the absence of the likes of Tyson Frizell and Jack de Belin, I think Burgess is on for a biggie.
Shaun Johnson HFB (Sharks) vs. Titans
The Titans were woeful last weekend at home against the Raiders, with both halves injured and Ryan James battling a knee injury, the Raiders attacking options had a field day. This week, SJ gets a Shark Park matchup with a team he has career numbers of 15 matches for an incredible average of 86.8PPG and high score of 153. Ah, yeah, they are pretty good numbers.
Other options Jahrome Hughes, Cameron Munster, Anthony Milford, Michael Morgan.

COPES’ CAPTAINS
Damien Cook HOK (Rabbitohs) vs. Dragons

Every man and his dog is worried about Cook after his opening round 55 points. Quite simply, I’m not. Cook will be my skipper this week * Shhhh! * as the best player in the game last season, I paid up for him to be the main man in good matchups — and this one against the understrength Dragons middle third is exactly that. A team who Cook averages 74PPG over four previous meetings, with scores of 23 (off bench), 82, 68 and 123. Double serving of that thanks, Chef.
Jason Taumalolo 2RF (Cowboys) vs. Broncos
Wow. 300+ metres gained, a gazillion SuperCoach points and basically every NRL fan dropping their jaws on numerous occasions at videos on social media going viral. The only thing that makes me worry a little is the 62 minutes and the shifting to the edge to accommodate Josh McGuire coming on, however, against a Broncos line-up missing Matt Lodge through suspension, I think you can back on the best player in the NRL to go 70+ again in mid 60’s minutes. That’s great security with upside of much more.
Shaun Lane 2RF (Eels) vs. Bulldogs
After the Bulldogs’ disgraceful effort against the Warriors last week, I get the feeling we will be targeting their matches a lot when it comes to attacking upside players for captain this season — no better way to start than Shaun Lane! Lane started brilliantly on debut for the Eels playing the full allotment of minutes, scoring 73 points with a try assist from a trademark offload. I think you see Lane become a 65-70PPG average player this season, and this matchup against a hapless edge defence is a dream come true for owners.
Other optionsAndrew Fifita, Cameron Smith, James Tedesco, Jake Trbojevic.
Good luck everyone, may the Orange Armband fall on the right man this week!
 

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SuperCoach NRL: Some of the best, and worst, trades being made
With plenty of SuperCoaches hammering the trade button ahead of round two we take a look at some of the best, and worst, moves being made.
I‘ve separated this article into three sections — there are the no-brainers, the traps and then there are the trades that should come with a caveat.
THE ‘NO BRAINERS’
I’d like to think those players listed here are pretty uncontroversial, and several were covered by knowledgeable colleague Trent Copeland in his excellent Cheapie Bible here, so I won’t waste too much of my word count trying to convince you of their merits.
Adam Keighran (5/8 | HFB) $168,100
The Warriors rookie was super impressive in his side’s opening round demolition of the Bulldogs. Despite filling a secondary role to Blake Green in the playmaking duties, Keighran still managed to score 87 points thanks to scoring a try, setting up another, breaking the line twice and kicking six goals. Don’t expect anything like that kind of production week in and week out, but he’s a must have.
John Bateman (CTW | 2RF) $400,000
The pre-season wraps were big on Bateman and the Englishman lived up to the hype in an 80-minute effort which saw him score 61 points in base stats. Played the last quarter of the game at CTW covering for an injured Bailey Simonsson (more on him below) which is a little bit of a worry as that indicates Bateman is the forward most likely to get shifted to the backs when injury strikes. Regardless of that, I think Bateman showed more than enough to suggest he’s the guy you want anchoring your CTW.

Briton Nikora (CTW | 2RF) $168,100
An 80-minute 2RF available at CTW for A base rookie price, Nikora scored 53 in base and threw three successful offloads. Madness that he is not owned by every single SuperCoach.
THE ’SURE, BUT HAVE YOU SEEN THIS STAT’ TRADES
All these players had big games in round one and are among the top trade in targets for round two as a result. However, each comes with some cautionary notes and it’s my job to bring them up.
Jason Taumalolo (2RF) $657,400
Speaking of big games, the Tongan wrecking ball had a whale in round one scoring 99 points. Great right? Well, keep in mind that his scoring in many categories — 37 points in hit-ups, two linebreaks (20 points) six tackle breaks (12 points) and a try assists (12 points) were well in advance of his past.
I’m a big believer that people can improve I just don’t think ‘Lolo’ can maintain those levels. Bouncing between edge and middle to accommodate Josh McGuire saw Taumalolo’s tackle number plummet and if, and when, his attacking stats revert to the mean that could cause trouble.
If you have the cash to trade up from an injured Nathan Brown then there’s no shame in this move. I’m not so sure I’d be trading out Marty Taupau (currently the fourth most popular trade in the game) for him though.
Taupau spent almost his entire first stint on the ground defending and barely got any time in attack as Manly kept dropping balls. I’m tipping the two to not have too dissimilar an average over next four weeks.
Shaun Lane (FRF | 2RF) $508,000
The towering Parramatta recruit played the full 80 minutes on the edge for the Eels, frequently pushing in to the middle to take a hit-up and make a tough tackle.
His round one score of 73 points was inflated by a try assist/linebreak assist (20 points) but Lane still pumped out 45 in base and due to a couple of injuries at the club he looks assured to play the full 80 minutes for a few weeks yet. Lane’s offloading skills should prove a constant threat throughout the season so the TA/LBA were no fluke and he’d be a player I’d be happy to trade for.
Cameron Murray (2RF) $458,900
Murray lived up to all the hype, banging out 52 points in base stats in 63 minutes against the Roosters on a slippery SCG.
With that said, you need to bear in mind that his score is boosted by a try, and then ask yourself would you be rushing to bring him into your squad if he had scored 53?
I still think Murray should be a trade target but not one you drop a proven gun who happened to have a poor first round (Taupau etc) in order to get.

Michael Morgan (HFB | 5/8) $409,200
Now the dominant half at the Cowboys, Morgan delivered in multiple categories on Saturday night with a try, try assist, line break and even a 40/20 for a total of 72 points. I’m expecting the try assists to be sustainable, and perhaps even built upon. As for the rest, there won’t be a try every week and I’m confident there won’t be even close to a 40/20 on a weekly basis either. That said, 55-60PPG is more than acceptable at $409K and I’d be happy to own him. Would I be trading Nathan Cleary (424 trades at this point) or Shaun Johnson (383 trades) to get Morgan? Not on your life.
Luke Garner (2RF) $265,100
Just under 5,000 SuperCoaches have drafted Luke Garner into their side following the West Tigers backrower banging out 80 points against the Sea Eagles on Saturday. I hope none of you expect to see such a stonking score again.
Don’t get me wrong, if I had picked up Garner to start the season I’d be pretty happy, after all 40 odd points in base from an edge second rower with good job security is nothing to sneeze at.
However, that’s where you should park your expectations, as Garner scored 30 points in one play last week, that’s not going to keep happening. I think I’d prefer to pick up Jacob Host or even Braidon Burns (more on him below).
Braidon Burns (CTW) $286,000
How’s that for a segue … let’s talk about Mr Burns than shall we? Playing at centre on the Rabbitohs vaunted left edge, Burns was busy (16 runs, 12 of those over eight metres), bustling (six tackle busts) and creative (one try assist and a linebreak assist).
And leaving the stat sheet aside, a rarity for me I’ll admit, he just looked good on the eye. Back to the stat sheet, I feel it would be remiss of me not to point out that Burns has never put up numbers like those and it is unrealistic to expect it to continue.
Players should keep in mind that CTW is a notoriously unreliable position and they essentially get a free look at Burns this week. That’s what I’m doing. However, I can understand the 703 people who have traded Jordan Kahu to Burns because Kahu did not pass the eye test — except of course Justin Hodges’ eye who awarded Kahu a Dally M vote for his performance …
Cameron Munster (FLB | 5/8) $548,500
Currently the fifth most traded in player for the round, and it is not hard to see why with many coaches seduced by Munster’s 105 point effort against the Broncos. But say what you like about Munster becoming the absolute focal point of the Storm offence following the retirement of Billy Slater, I’m confident he will not have another game in which he scored three try assists and four linebreak assists. Also, keep in mind that in 2018, Munster scored 103 points in round 20 and followed up with a 23 the next round, he scored 98 in round 15 and followed that up with a 14 point game in round 16. There are tremendous peaks but plenty of troughs and buying in after a peak just exposes you to the trough in my opinion.
Corey Oates (CTW) $504,000
Speaking of players who can take you to the highest of highs and the lowest of lows, meet Corey Oates. Actually, let me step that back a bit because Oates actually has a decent floor thanks to his high workrate bring the ball back after kicks and propensity to bust tackles.
But that’s what you’re paying $500K for. Oates scored two tries and busted nine tackles in round one. A more realistic season expectation is a little under half that in each category. If you really have $500K to spend on a CTW then wait a week, take a look at Jordan Rapana and grab him. Genuine gun and massive POD.

Jake Friend (HKR) $481,500
Those who bought Jake Friend as a bit of a cut-price POD did so hoping he would deliver his usual bucketload of tackles. And that’s exactly what the great man did knocking down 53 South Sydney attackers. What not even the most optimistic of owner would have hoped for is two linebreaks and a try. Friend just doesn’t run the ball all that much, he never really has so those attacking stats are very much an outlier. Sure, grab Friendy if you want a ‘safe’ hooker who will get you 55PPG but don’t do it expecting much more. Also don’t be fooled into thinking this is a purchase that will see you price up to Damien Cook easily as mentioned above first round scores roll out of a players rolling average awfully quickly and Friend will likely only see a $50-60K bump in price over rounds 3-5 as a result of his big early score — and that is dependant on him continuing to play out 80 minute games which past history suggests is unlikely.
 

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THE ‘WHOA THERE SONNY JIMS’
Mitch Aubusson (2RF | CTW) $293,200

I won’t hear a bad word about Mitch Aubusson, which is an easy pledge to make because nobody really has a bad word to say about the guy. If they do have a less than glowing comment it might run something like this ‘Great bloke, great club man just not SuperCoach relevant … especially now that Angus Crichton is at the club’.
Well I’d agree with all that, except Aubbo went and had a blinder playing 75 minutes in round one, scoring 79 points of which 52 came in base — and Crichton was used for just 19 minutes off the bench. Aubusson is named to start again but I just can’t see him holding out a fully fit Crichton, and when he goes back to the bench the points will dry up. Don’t be the guy who falls for this trap.
James Tamou (FRF) $423,500
Rooster junior (c’mon I don’t get too many chances to write that) Big Jim Tamou, had a stonking game in round one. On the field for 60 minutes — and keep in mind the big fella had not played 60+ minutes since round 17 2015 — Tamou made 53 tackles, 14 hit-ups, busted four tackles and scored a try (with linebreak) for 106 points.
Now this career high score is either one of the most ‘outlier’ performances in history, or we have a must-own sub-$450K forward on our radar.
My money is on outlier, and I really hope Tamous reverts next week because if he plays another 55+minute game and scores 50+ in base you may have to seriously consider bring him in. Not this week though peeps — take the free look.
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (FLB) $535,100
This one is a bit of an odd one because RTS was exceptional last week, scoring tries, setting up tries, busting tackles and just generally looking like the RTS of 2015.
But, guys, it was against the Bulldogs, in NZ, on a belter of a track.
At least wait to see how RTS goes against the Tigers this week before culling a proven gun like James Tedesco eh?
Gareth Widdop, Shaun Johnson, Nathan Cleary, James Tedesco and Martin Taupau
Speaking of segues … all of the above are proven guns who have consistently delivered top-five (or better) performances at their position for a number of years. All of them are among the 10 most traded out players for the round. Madness.
With regards to the first four, you have to give some discount for the soggy conditions. You also have to understand that one bad game to start the season is no indicator that they are ‘out of form’. Want proof?
Tedesco scored 35 in round one 2018, he scored 113 in round two. Never trade a gun. As for my man Marty Taupau, the big unit spent his entire first stint defending, he spent much of the second stint either under the posts watching the Tigers convert or watching his teammates fumble. And don’t buy Tommy’s hype about Des killing the offload.
Kapow only made nine hit-ups in torrential conditions at Leichhardt in round one, he normally averages around 15. With more runs and some drier weather I’m tipping the points to come. If they don’t Sangster will be even more unbearable than he normally is.
 
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I've decided to not make any trades this week as I'd only be trading sideways and will kick myself if I waste trades on players that are starting anyway.

I've also created a SuperCoachScores group just like we had for the BBL fantasy, so we can keep track of each other across each of the leagues. The code is below:

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Well not getting Burns was a pretty ordinary decision in the end. Has almost 70 points with just under 15 minutes left. Hope some of you managed to grab him for some success!
 

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Well not getting Burns was a pretty ordinary decision in the end. Has almost 70 points with just under 15 minutes left. Hope some of you managed to grab him for some success!
What's your thoughts on a proposed trade next round of
Out: A Tolman, C Allan
In: Burns and Garner
100,000 left over allowing a quick upgrade to a A Chrichton/ L Mitchell/etc in the coming rounds.
 
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What's your thoughts on a proposed trade next round of
Out: A Tolman, C Allan
In: Burns and Garner
100,000 left over allowing a quick upgrade to a A Chrichton/ L Mitchell/etc in the coming rounds.
I'd wait to see how Garner goes this week before locking him in. Obviously Burns will be a must, even if its for his price change. If you can get cash to upgrade to a potential keeper, then find a way to do that, but obviously for someone who is going to leak cash rather than a solid point-scoring option.
 

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Burgess with the VC.

If only I had a donut!

3/271 ... happy with new recruit Burns.

Much better start than last week. I didn’t like starting the season last in our league ... I might still be last this week, but it won’t be through lack of trying!!
 

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Burgess with the VC.

If only I had a donut!

3/271 ... happy with new recruit Burns.

Much better start than last week. I didn’t like starting the season last in our league ... I might still be last this week, but it won’t be through lack of trying!!
Great selection of S Burgess in conjunction with your debutant. Who do you still have left to play?
 
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