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Must admit I never really considered Heppell for my team but had the weekends game been the second pre-season game then I would've brought him in. Looked very assured in his new role and think our backline will be seeing plenty of ball this year. Think he is the better of the cheaper options ahead of Caldwell. Heeney potentially is the happy medium but not sure how much of the Swans performance we can read into. Will this happen every week and will Buddy coming back mean he spends more time up the ground. Another week of watching Heeney would be ideal. Zorko seems the safest option of the lot. If I had to rank I'd go;
1. Zorko
2. Heppell
3. Heeney
4. Caldwell
1. Zorko
2. Heppell
3. Heeney
4. Caldwell
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That point about missing someone's best game is so valid. Think the same could be said about chasing Mills and Boak's points as well.
The counter of this is that the score is yet to affect their price as well.
At the end of the season what do you see each of them averaging? If you think they will likely average the same by the end then theoretically trading in Dunkley is the better option in terms of pure points.
The counter of this is that the score is yet to affect their price as well.
At the end of the season what do you see each of them averaging? If you think they will likely average the same by the end then theoretically trading in Dunkley is the better option in terms of pure points.
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I'm personally going to trade Dangerfield to most likely Zorko, surprised he's not getting much of a mention when it comes to who trading Danger to. Will bank you around 85k to spend elsewhere also. Should be F5, F6 worthy. Still scored 114 with 1 free for and 5 against. He's a proven performer. I could go to Titch via Campbell or Scott in the mids but that would weaken my fwd line too much with another rookie onfield.
I'd rank them as follows:
Freo Young, Clark then North Young.
Sort of depends on your current structure. If you have 4 or 5 premo defenders already I would pick Walsh. Mills if you need a defender at D4.
Heeney or Zorko.
Unsure about Heppell & Caldwell.
If you plan on getting both anyway down the line I would just split this 50/50 by going the cheaper option first. Dusty it is.
Freo Young, Clark then North Young.
Sort of depends on your current structure. If you have 4 or 5 premo defenders already I would pick Walsh. Mills if you need a defender at D4.
Heeney or Zorko.
Unsure about Heppell & Caldwell.
If you plan on getting both anyway down the line I would just split this 50/50 by going the cheaper option first. Dusty it is.
I like Taranto more. Durability is similarly bad on both but Taranto's role was good as was his score. Heeney's role was bad but scored well.
Swans I don't expect to be dominating sides like that.
Boak with a knock still has the durability edge. Titch has the better scoring history. Probably have to lean towards the guy with the scoring history, reckon Boak gets more attention and shares the load more during the year.
Hayden Young played the best game of the 3 last week, he was excellent and got better as it went on.
L. Young is the cheapest and was really solid himself, his role is not as good as his brothers because Hayden has intercept duties also included but L. Young should make good cash. McDonald out a couple more weeks so this is his time to feast, will drop a notch when he's back.
Clark has the Duncan issue looming but played a really solid game and the Danger suspension gives him 3 weeks most likely.
I think they're probably priced pretty fairly as a trio, Clark to me probably has the highest upside as a cash cow.
Honestly as helpful as it is I think they all should generate a similar amount of cash with H. Young giving you job security, Clark explosive scoring upside and L. Young extra cash to use elsewhere. Whichever of those is the most valuable to you is probably the right option.
I'd say they're very comparable, both should average somewhere in the 110-115 range in their current roles. Both have pretty equal role certainty, Mills could go to defense, Walsh could go to a wing but I think they're both realistically in position to cement the #1 midfield role a their clubs and neither should make that move.
Mills with a lower required output for keeper probably the better pick if you're not locking out other defenders and finishing the backline. Walsh has a lot more alternatives to him that could score similarly at his position. Mills for mine is in a group of about 5 guys with realistic likelihoods of scoring 110+, Walsh probably has a group of 25.
Personally...
1. Zorko - He's a premium and you should get a premium. Safe bet he's 95+ and the only one in this group you can say that about.
2. Caldwell - Positional value, I think Heppell is more likely to average 95 but if Caldwell averages 90 and the forwards are what I think they are then he's a keeper.
3. Heeney - Same deal, I don't like the role or his likely scoring in it but as a forward if he can get to 95, he's done the job and he's definitely capable of it.
4. Heppell - Would pick him to average more than Caldwell and Heeney if you put a gun to my head but at his position he's a pure cash cow for mine, hard to see him going 105+ (not impossible) which is what he really needs to do. I think he'll be a solid low 90 range though. I rarely like dumping a premium into a mid-priced cash cow, there's too much no man's land in the potential outcomes.
Personally if you've got a very low risk team then I like Caldwell, if you've got a normal or high risk team then I like Zorko.
Swans I don't expect to be dominating sides like that.
Boak with a knock still has the durability edge. Titch has the better scoring history. Probably have to lean towards the guy with the scoring history, reckon Boak gets more attention and shares the load more during the year.
Hayden Young played the best game of the 3 last week, he was excellent and got better as it went on.
L. Young is the cheapest and was really solid himself, his role is not as good as his brothers because Hayden has intercept duties also included but L. Young should make good cash. McDonald out a couple more weeks so this is his time to feast, will drop a notch when he's back.
Clark has the Duncan issue looming but played a really solid game and the Danger suspension gives him 3 weeks most likely.
I think they're probably priced pretty fairly as a trio, Clark to me probably has the highest upside as a cash cow.
Honestly as helpful as it is I think they all should generate a similar amount of cash with H. Young giving you job security, Clark explosive scoring upside and L. Young extra cash to use elsewhere. Whichever of those is the most valuable to you is probably the right option.
I'd say they're very comparable, both should average somewhere in the 110-115 range in their current roles. Both have pretty equal role certainty, Mills could go to defense, Walsh could go to a wing but I think they're both realistically in position to cement the #1 midfield role a their clubs and neither should make that move.
Mills with a lower required output for keeper probably the better pick if you're not locking out other defenders and finishing the backline. Walsh has a lot more alternatives to him that could score similarly at his position. Mills for mine is in a group of about 5 guys with realistic likelihoods of scoring 110+, Walsh probably has a group of 25.
Personally...
1. Zorko - He's a premium and you should get a premium. Safe bet he's 95+ and the only one in this group you can say that about.
2. Caldwell - Positional value, I think Heppell is more likely to average 95 but if Caldwell averages 90 and the forwards are what I think they are then he's a keeper.
3. Heeney - Same deal, I don't like the role or his likely scoring in it but as a forward if he can get to 95, he's done the job and he's definitely capable of it.
4. Heppell - Would pick him to average more than Caldwell and Heeney if you put a gun to my head but at his position he's a pure cash cow for mine, hard to see him going 105+ (not impossible) which is what he really needs to do. I think he'll be a solid low 90 range though. I rarely like dumping a premium into a mid-priced cash cow, there's too much no man's land in the potential outcomes.
Personally if you've got a very low risk team then I like Caldwell, if you've got a normal or high risk team then I like Zorko.
Damn I had been slighlty leaning towards Heeney so this only made it harder lol. Thanks for detailed repsonse @wogitalia.
He could very well work out and he's scored fine as a forward but he's certainly been less consistent in that role.
Ultimately he scored 115 from 13 disposals with 3 goals in what was pretty much a flogging. The fair assumption is that's closer to his best case scenario than the worst case.
As small as the sample size was I actually think last year was a very solid representation of what to expect from him where he had 152, 60, 123, 64, 79 and 86.
Realistically Heeney to me is the kind of player who will probably be available for the same price or less in the future and he makes more sense as an upgrade target once we establish what Sydney are as a side and what his role is within that.
Personally I'm pretty bearish on the forward position this year, just struggle to see most of the starting premiums improving or even holding their averages and think we're going to end up with probably a group of about 15 players who score in the 85-95 range who if timed right or bought at the right price will be fine at F4-6. Right now it seems like there is Dunkley, Martin and Danger (now a pure upgrade target) who look to be 100+, Marshall is questionable with his injury and the general ruck scenario, Sidey with his injury is going to be a real wait and see but definitely could be there, Hawkins is a total enigma and we wont even find out how it looks until round 5 or 6 probably. Zorko may be saved by the Rayner injury and keep last years role (seemed to last week) but he's also in the mix. Basically if a couple of those guys drop to 95, it's game on for the high 80s up.
Even if they don't drop, good chance they're going to be cheap.
Ziebell probably the other factor here, in the role he's playing I don't think this weeks score was any kind of anomaly, he's absolutely got the skill set to score in the mid 90s or higher and would be a keeper so there's a good chance we're actually only looking at a couple of forward upgrades this year depending on starting structures.
Ultimately he scored 115 from 13 disposals with 3 goals in what was pretty much a flogging. The fair assumption is that's closer to his best case scenario than the worst case.
As small as the sample size was I actually think last year was a very solid representation of what to expect from him where he had 152, 60, 123, 64, 79 and 86.
Realistically Heeney to me is the kind of player who will probably be available for the same price or less in the future and he makes more sense as an upgrade target once we establish what Sydney are as a side and what his role is within that.
Personally I'm pretty bearish on the forward position this year, just struggle to see most of the starting premiums improving or even holding their averages and think we're going to end up with probably a group of about 15 players who score in the 85-95 range who if timed right or bought at the right price will be fine at F4-6. Right now it seems like there is Dunkley, Martin and Danger (now a pure upgrade target) who look to be 100+, Marshall is questionable with his injury and the general ruck scenario, Sidey with his injury is going to be a real wait and see but definitely could be there, Hawkins is a total enigma and we wont even find out how it looks until round 5 or 6 probably. Zorko may be saved by the Rayner injury and keep last years role (seemed to last week) but he's also in the mix. Basically if a couple of those guys drop to 95, it's game on for the high 80s up.
Even if they don't drop, good chance they're going to be cheap.
Ziebell probably the other factor here, in the role he's playing I don't think this weeks score was any kind of anomaly, he's absolutely got the skill set to score in the mid 90s or higher and would be a keeper so there's a good chance we're actually only looking at a couple of forward upgrades this year depending on starting structures.
Jordon with a couple more years in the system probably should handle it a bit better and run out games a bit stronger.
But I really like Berry and the weaker team doesn't hurt the JS side of things.
Would be trying to do both if you've got neither though. Unless you're somehow missing Flynn and Rowe also who probably go ahead of them.
I have the Dunkley vs Dusty Dilemma as well. You're going to want both in your team by years out so I guess the question is who do you want now rather than midyear in upgrade season.
Dusty has Hawks, Sydney, Port, Saints in his next four which feel like some much better defensively minded teams than Carlton.
Dunkley has West Coast, North, Brisbane and Gold Coast (ALL @ MARVEL). Could really explode here.
Don't think there is a wrong answer here, but probably going Dunkley myself.
Dusty has Hawks, Sydney, Port, Saints in his next four which feel like some much better defensively minded teams than Carlton.
Dunkley has West Coast, North, Brisbane and Gold Coast (ALL @ MARVEL). Could really explode here.
Don't think there is a wrong answer here, but probably going Dunkley myself.