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[jarrad_]

thanks to darkies suggestions now my new team is

doc-monty-laird-howe-thurlow-newman ryan and stewart

danger-pendles-treloar-fyfe-beams-powellpepper-myers-barrett brodie,fisher and graham

gawn and sandilands

dahl-macrae-caddy-burton-knight-ainsworth eddy and deluca


the good thing about beams,fyfe and sandilands is that they probably could have played more last season but because their teams were near the bottom they didnt bother wasting them last season so as to get them right for this season which no doubt saved us alot of money

and with sandilands it gives me the opportunity to potentially upgrade to either goldy or grundy without being tied down to either from the start if they are not the right choice

and using that thought also applys to swallow but at 280k im not to sure about him and for some reason he would always end up on my bench and usually any players that happened to i would end up getting rid of anyway

thats the entire 10 million by the way lol

 

[Darkie]

thanks alot darkie much appreciated

good points about kerridge and wells but there are no comparable players in that bracket this year unfortunately except for myers and thurlow myers is obviously a no brainer where as thurlow hasnt been that good a scorer yet but could be now due to retirements

and on paying the first round pick tax its better to have them in now than try and ruin your structure trying to get them in i.m.o obviously if cheaper options become available i will pick them but they all have pretty good j/s which is why i suppose you pay the extra money

No worries mate - agreed in that it feels a lot better to be taking out the dear rookies (and spending the spare cash) than the reverse! It reduces the risk of ruining your carefully-planned starting side too.

Agreed re Myers etc - it's nice to have a few of them, but if everyone picks them the benefit is negated. I was very keen on Wells last preseason before he killed it in the NAB, it probably would have been better for some of us if he'd stayed under the radar a bit more In doing that bit of research on the top cash cows, I've become more open to cheap players who have some AFL experience - so I suspect I will pay Thurlow, Knight and others a bit more attention.

I like your updated side too (not surprisingly!).

 

[Darkie]

Once again, Darkie, brilliant stuff!
Hanners is an interesting one, I think a lot of people see him as a upgrade target or are avoiding him completely due to the knee injury from the GF. However, in his last 2 seasons his first halves have been outstanding at close to 120 while tailing off in the second half to be closer to 105-107. He ran very well in a time trial 2 weeks ago so that suggests he has been able to keep his fitness up. Even if he isn't able to complete a full pre-season (in terms of sideways movement), I think he should still be primed to go for season proper. His consistency recently is what I find so attractive and I really want consistent excellence from my premium mids which is why I have avoided guys like Cripps and the Bont as we're not quite sure that these guys are capable of yet. It is a lot safer and easier to jump on these guys if they break-out than to start them and run the risk of a mediocre return.

I love Rocky and he is one player who's injury history doesn't worry me as he is capable of those massive scores. I would have him over Treloar and Hanners but I won't be starting him as I want to see the impact that Fagan will have on the Lions in terms of game plan and the role Rocky plays. Don't want to spend 600K for him to be playing up forward getting 80's and 90's. Ablett I feel is just not reliable enough anymore while I see Selwood as a upgrade target.

Yes, the structure and the premium names we can choose are dependent on the rookies available to us. From my research these rookies I have chosen would have a fairly good chance of starting Rd 1 but we still need to see what pre-season series will throw up. I also need to consider the bye rounds as I feel they are such a crucial part of the SC season.

Cheers again, Darkie!

No worries mate. Good point re Hanners, I hadn't considered that he might be more of a starting pick type selection because he drops off, although I guess the consistent scorers tend to be more starting picks than upgrades, so long as you don't have a number of more attractive options (like this year, potentially).

I tend to think the risk of top mids getting played more forward or back is pretty consistently overplayed (we were joking about it last preseason) ... albeit that the risk of a role change is clearly greater with a new coach/other personnel changes. I reckon it would be a brave new Brisbane coach that played Rocky up forward though, it didn't work out too well for the last bloke who did it If it's a risk you don't feel is worth taking, though, I can understand that - your side is looking good without him anyway.

 

[THCLT]

I must confess that I feel a little envious and a bit shy when I have to come here and have a peek at how everyone's team is shaping up for 2017! If it wasn't for the various form of fantasy formats which I'm currently involved in, I would've put some thought into my team and structure and able to provide some feedback on here. Unfortunately, I don't have the 'team picker' and haven't looked at SC period, so I don't think any comments from me will be of benefit nor the constructiveness which I strive for, for now at least.

In saying that, I'm seen that some have already put some serious thought into their team and structure and if what I've seen is any indication, we're going to have some stellar individual performances again for 2017.

This RMT thread would not serve the intended purpose if it wasn't for the countless members who have devoted their precious time to provide their insights and constructive commentaries on teams already posted. It's with that same spirit, that I urge and encourage everyone who post their team up for feedback to do likewise for other members. Don't be afraid to make a suggestion or comment on other teams just because you feel 'inferior' due to historical rankings or for whatever reasons. We all see and approach things differently, I'm confident that others will not judge you for your suggestions and/or comments, instead, it may help and assist them to consider other options which may not have been apparent to them at the time.

We all come here with a common goal, that is, to glean, learn and open our minds to other possibilities on how best to construct our starting team. It's a sentiment that we want to uphold here at SCS, and you're all part of and pivotal to the success of that idealism.

Keep up the fantastic work, not long to go until SC opens!

 

[Seymour Skinner]

Early days but I think I'll be going very deep in the mids, which is a bit worrying because the mid rookies usually make the most money and I'm only going to have 4 of them at this stage. Also, I consider any starter under 500k a mid pricer and for the first time I will be starting with quite a few (5 atm) which is something I've rarely done in the last few seasons.

Tried to post a .png but the uploader wasn't having it and I'm not computer savvy so I hope you guys like reading ahah

Laird, JJ, Hartlett, McGrath, Hampton, Newman (Ryan, Stewart)
Danger, Pendles, Selwood, Treloar, Fyfe, TMitch, Beams, Pepper-Powell (Myers, Barrett, Freeman)
Gawn, Sandi (Strnadica)
Dahl, Caddy, Ryder, Bowes, Black, Pickett (Rioli, Eddy)

Wanted to start Doch but 590k is just too much.
I'll back Laird to be top 6, don't think he'll cop another 1 week injury that turns out to be a 4 weeker.
JJ has a high ceiling for a defender, think he's a good pick at 515k, also expect a bit of natural progression out of the speedster.
Hartlett has been in every itteration of my team, expect him to bounce back in a big way, has good history besides his woeful 2016, like the bye round too.

Gotta back Danger in again, bloke is a machine, perma VC/C option. Didn't have him as either for his 229 last year and it killed me. Will overtake Gaz as the SC must have, but won't be as good as Gaz when he was running at 100%.
I've never not picked DePendles and I never plan on doing so. Lock.
Haven't seen much love for Selwood so far, safe 110+ imo. Good bye round, good track record. However, If I were to thin out the mids I think he would be the one to go.
I love Treloar, the kid is an absolute jet, it killed me when he picked the Pies over my Tiges (glad we didn't give up too firsts for him though), have had him the last 3 years and has always been solid. Managed 110+ coming off no preseason last year, expecting him to take the next step in 2017.
Fyfe is a no brainer, provided he stays alive, has the potential to rival Danger in points per game, is a strong C option and at only 573k he picks himself.
I wasn't huge wrap for TMitch initially but have recently warmed to him, could pull off some extremely piggish feats, like Rocky but without the tendancy to break down every year. Can see him going 115+ but can also see him copping a lot more attention and staying at around the same mark, worth the risk on this one I think.
Beams is in the same boat as Fyfe, but even more underprice, if he doesn't fall apart he'd be a top 8 mid easily, unfortunatley he always falls apart. But at 432k it's too good to pass up, if he doesn't fall apart you have a superpremo mid for 2/3rds of the price and in the likely case that he breaks down you lose a trade, probably downgrade him to a rookie you missed, not a big issue.
Can only really see 4 pure rucks that would be worthwhile picking this year, Gawn, Goldy, Grundy and Sandi.
Think Gawn will break the mold and be the top ruck scorer again, willing to pay the bit extra for another captain option also.
Sandi @ R2, another risk/reward situation, I think the new 3rd man up rule will benefit him, has an awesome early draw, is the only Freo ruck that isn't in the clinic atm and I will have cover in case he does go down, and if/when he does go down it gives me a better look at who I should pick out of Grundy and Goldy.
Dahl is the best fwd option imo, safe pick, will be top 6.
Still tossing up whether to go with Caddy or not, could easily become Heeney who is screaming breakout, I'm not picking Adams in the defs because his games per year is rubbish, Caddy is a similar situation, however, I don't already have 2 premos from Caddy's team like I do Adams, Caddy has a better bye, will play more mid time than what he was at Geelong, and I want to have a Tiges player in my team + the forward line as a whole is a barren wasteland this year, and there aren't as many good alternatives to Caddy as there are to Adams.
Ryder is another player I've picked in every team I've made, even when i've gone with GawnStein I still find myself picking Ryder, couldn't believe he got a discount. Legitimately think he could be a top 6 fwd and the F/R DPP is just icing on the cake. The only donut I copped last year was from Goldy, and that was because I started with Goetz over Cox, so from now on when there is a promising R/F avaliable I'm gonna be picking them.

So, what do you guys think?

 

[jarrad_]

backs are pretty good i.m.o jj is a wait and see option,hartlett is to much like rich,

mids-selwood is usually an upgrader,mitchell is to dt,

rucks-exactly the same as mine.its such a blessing having sandi at the price that he is because it lets you see who is better out of grundy and goldy

forwards-no macrae he has to be a no brainer going by what you said about the forwards being a wasteland,ryder wont be that good i.m.o,knight from adelaide has to be a lock won their time trial and adelaide need more mids which is what he really is,and get on the ainsworth train he will be pretty damn good this year

 

[I am Cursed :(]

I must confess that I feel a little envious and a bit shy when I have to come here and have a peek at how everyone's team is shaping up for 2017! If it wasn't for the various form of fantasy formats which I'm currently involved in, I would've put some thought into my team and structure and able to provide some feedback on here. Unfortunately, I don't have the 'team picker' and haven't looked at SC period, so I don't think any comments from me will be of benefit nor the constructiveness which I strive for, for now at least.

In saying that, I'm seen that some have already put some serious thought into their team and structure and if what I've seen is any indication, we're going to have some stellar individual performances again for 2017.

This RMT thread would not serve the intended purpose if it wasn't for the countless members who have devoted their precious time to provide their insights and constructive commentaries on teams already posted. It's with that same spirit, that I urge and encourage everyone who post their team up for feedback to do likewise for other members. Don't be afraid to make a suggestion or comment on other teams just because you feel 'inferior' due to historical rankings or for whatever reasons. We all see and approach things differently, I'm confident that others will not judge you for your suggestions and/or comments, instead, it may help and assist them to consider other options which may not have been apparent to them at the time.

We all come here with a common goal, that is, to glean, learn and open our minds to other possibilities on how best to construct our starting team. It's a sentiment that we want to uphold here at SCS, and you're all part of and pivotal to the success of that idealism.

Keep up the fantastic work, not long to go until SC opens!

I second this.

As someone who has actively campaigned AGAINST cricket I started this thread thinking I would be all over it during the off season. I got sucked into BBL and made a team on the last day and haven't looked at AFL since.

Seems fantasy anything is addictive, even if you don't follow the sport.

 

[freowho]

Early days but I think I'll be going very deep in the mids, which is a bit worrying because the mid rookies usually make the most money and I'm only going to have 4 of them at this stage. Also, I consider any starter under 500k a mid pricer and for the first time I will be starting with quite a few (5 atm) which is something I've rarely done in the last few seasons.

Tried to post a .png but the uploader wasn't having it and I'm not computer savvy so I hope you guys like reading ahah

Laird, JJ, Hartlett, McGrath, Hampton, Newman (Ryan, Stewart)
Danger, Pendles, Selwood, Treloar, Fyfe, TMitch, Beams, Pepper-Powell (Myers, Barrett, Freeman)
Gawn, Sandi (Strnadica)
Dahl, Caddy, Ryder, Bowes, Black, Pickett (Rioli, Eddy)

Wanted to start Doch but 590k is just too much.
I'll back Laird to be top 6, don't think he'll cop another 1 week injury that turns out to be a 4 weeker.
JJ has a high ceiling for a defender, think he's a good pick at 515k, also expect a bit of natural progression out of the speedster.
Hartlett has been in every itteration of my team, expect him to bounce back in a big way, has good history besides his woeful 2016, like the bye round too.

Gotta back Danger in again, bloke is a machine, perma VC/C option. Didn't have him as either for his 229 last year and it killed me. Will overtake Gaz as the SC must have, but won't be as good as Gaz when he was running at 100%.
I've never not picked DePendles and I never plan on doing so. Lock.
Haven't seen much love for Selwood so far, safe 110+ imo. Good bye round, good track record. However, If I were to thin out the mids I think he would be the one to go.
I love Treloar, the kid is an absolute jet, it killed me when he picked the Pies over my Tiges (glad we didn't give up too firsts for him though), have had him the last 3 years and has always been solid. Managed 110+ coming off no preseason last year, expecting him to take the next step in 2017.
Fyfe is a no brainer, provided he stays alive, has the potential to rival Danger in points per game, is a strong C option and at only 573k he picks himself.
I wasn't huge wrap for TMitch initially but have recently warmed to him, could pull off some extremely piggish feats, like Rocky but without the tendancy to break down every year. Can see him going 115+ but can also see him copping a lot more attention and staying at around the same mark, worth the risk on this one I think.
Beams is in the same boat as Fyfe, but even more underprice, if he doesn't fall apart he'd be a top 8 mid easily, unfortunatley he always falls apart. But at 432k it's too good to pass up, if he doesn't fall apart you have a superpremo mid for 2/3rds of the price and in the likely case that he breaks down you lose a trade, probably downgrade him to a rookie you missed, not a big issue.
Can only really see 4 pure rucks that would be worthwhile picking this year, Gawn, Goldy, Grundy and Sandi.
Think Gawn will break the mold and be the top ruck scorer again, willing to pay the bit extra for another captain option also.
Sandi @ R2, another risk/reward situation, I think the new 3rd man up rule will benefit him, has an awesome early draw, is the only Freo ruck that isn't in the clinic atm and I will have cover in case he does go down, and if/when he does go down it gives me a better look at who I should pick out of Grundy and Goldy.
Dahl is the best fwd option imo, safe pick, will be top 6.
Still tossing up whether to go with Caddy or not, could easily become Heeney who is screaming breakout, I'm not picking Adams in the defs because his games per year is rubbish, Caddy is a similar situation, however, I don't already have 2 premos from Caddy's team like I do Adams, Caddy has a better bye, will play more mid time than what he was at Geelong, and I want to have a Tiges player in my team + the forward line as a whole is a barren wasteland this year, and there aren't as many good alternatives to Caddy as there are to Adams.
Ryder is another player I've picked in every team I've made, even when i've gone with GawnStein I still find myself picking Ryder, couldn't believe he got a discount. Legitimately think he could be a top 6 fwd and the F/R DPP is just icing on the cake. The only donut I copped last year was from Goldy, and that was because I started with Goetz over Cox, so from now on when there is a promising R/F avaliable I'm gonna be picking them.

So, what do you guys think?

Rookies are only placeholders at the moment but you want rookies on the ground to have decent job security. Myers and Barret on the mid bench would appear to have good js while Hampton and Newman on the ground would appear to be shaky at top 4 clubs. This can change but at the moment I would say 1 less premo mid and 1 more defensive premo. Also if Ryder does have to cover the rucks early then you have 4 rookies on the ground in the forward line and Pickett, Rioli and Eddy could be averaging 40-50. So 1 less mid premo and 1 more forward premo. I wish I had started 6 or 7 mids last year but this year looks like a more traditional 5. Hartlett and other round 9 players for me will depend on the rules and the good rnd 9 rookies. Port and GC might be giving us some good rookies and if Virtual Sports don't give us any compensation than rnd 9 premos might increase the donut pain. Like you I'm picking Ryder but will probably use the others as upgrade targets.

 

[Prochard]

Team 3.0 Quite happy with this team setup and the rookie choices

Def: Shaw, Adams, Laird, McGrath, Berry, Ryan (Long, Sproule)
Mid: Dangerfield, Treloar, JPK, Fyfe, T Mitchell Beams, Petrevski-seton, Powell-Pepper (Myers, Graham, Barrett)
Ruck: Gawn, Sandi (Witts)
Forward: Dahlhaus, Macrae, Lynch, Knight, Bowes, Black (Pickett, Strndica)

Bolded=Probably/potential keepers
Underlined= Donuts

-As Witts is shaping up as Gold Coast's number 1 ruck, he's almost a must if it's true. However, can't justify him at R1 or R2 over Gawn or Sandilands, so he stays on the bench, pushing strndica forward.

-Strndica and Sproule are 2 DPP donuts that allows me to loophole rookies where I'm must vulnerable. Knight, Mcgrath are more expensive cashcows with good security, perfect for D4 and F4

-Gone with JPK and Dangerfield as my M1 and M2 as both are the most likely options to maintain their averages as top 8 midfielders while having great durability. Would've liked Rockliff, Pendlebury, Selwood but each has various risks attached. Rockliff and Selwood were the other 2 front runners for M1 and M2, especially Rockliff as he represents tremendous value, but given I already have Laird, Adams, Fyfe, Beams, Sandilands who are all pretty much auto selections, I decided to go with JPK and Dangerfield who are very much safe selections. Can't see Dangerfield scoring averaging under 122, can't see JPK averaging under 110, both are almost guaranteed keepers at 20+ games.

Thoughts?

 

[Bomber18]

Team 3.0 Quite happy with this team setup and the rookie choices

Def: Shaw, Adams, Laird, McGrath, Berry, Ryan (Long, Sproule)
Mid: Dangerfield, Treloar, JPK, Fyfe, T Mitchell Beams, Petrevski-seton, Powell-Pepper (Myers, Graham, Barrett)
Ruck: Gawn, Sandi (Witts)
Forward: Dahlhaus, Macrae, Lynch, Knight, Bowes, Black (Pickett, Strndica)

Bolded=Probably/potential keepers
Underlined= Donuts

-As Witts is shaping up as Gold Coast's number 1 ruck, he's almost a must if it's true. However, can't justify him at R1 or R2 over Gawn or Sandilands, so he stays on the bench, pushing strndica forward.

-Strndica and Sproule are 2 DPP donuts that allows me to loophole rookies where I'm must vulnerable. Knight, Mcgrath are more expensive cashcows with good security, perfect for D4 and F4

-Gone with JPK and Dangerfield as my M1 and M2 as both are the most likely options to maintain their averages as top 8 midfielders while having great durability. Would've liked Rockliff, Pendlebury, Selwood but each has various risks attached. Rockliff and Selwood were the other 2 front runners for M1 and M2, especially Rockliff as he represents tremendous value, but given I already have Laird, Adams, Fyfe, Beams, Sandilands who are all pretty much auto selections, I decided to go with JPK and Dangerfield who are very much safe selections. Can't see Dangerfield scoring averaging under 122, can't see JPK averaging under 110, both are almost guaranteed keepers at 20+ games.

Thoughts?

Good preseason side. Interesting to see Witts at R3. It will be interesting to see if he actually becomes the clear No. 1 ruck. On the back of the news Nicholls has disappointed in preseason and Witts is impressing, I've tried drafting a few sides with Witts/Sandi as R1-2 with interesting results.

On your selections, JPK a good starting pick in the mids. However, I'm a bit skeptical personally on Titchell on how he goes as the No.1 mid without support & copping a lot more attention but he could be your one risky pick. Also, I see Lynch as more a trade-in option due to the earlier bye round being best 22 (thoughts are here - http://www.supercoachscores.com/thr...cussion/page12?p=300860&viewfull=1#post300860). There aren't many other standout forward selections so I can understand the choice.
Are you planning on trading in Pendles pre byes? It could make your side very R13 bye heavy with 4 R13 bye mids, particularly if Grundy break outs and it turns out we need him as R2. Could mean a donut in R13.

I don't think the D/F floating donut particularly is the way to go this season as we don't have the D/F rookies like last season. Potentially the D/M rookie is the one to go for as it seems like we'll have a few good D/M rookies like Hibberd, McGrath & Berry. I'm personally only looking at 1 FD at this stage as I struggled generating cash last season but it could change!
Good draft though!

 

[Prochard]

Good preseason side. Interesting to see Witts at R3. It will be interesting to see if he actually becomes the clear No. 1 ruck. On the back of the news Nicholls has disappointed in preseason and Witts is impressing, I've tried drafting a few sides with Witts/Sandi as R1-2 with interesting results.

On your selections, JPK a good starting pick in the mids. However, I'm a bit skeptical personally on Titchell on how he goes as the No.1 mid without support & copping a lot more attention but he could be your one risky pick. Also, I see Lynch as more a trade-in option due to the earlier bye round being best 22 (thoughts are here - http://www.supercoachscores.com/thr...cussion/page12?p=300860&viewfull=1#post300860). There aren't many other standout forward selections so I can understand the choice.
Are you planning on trading in Pendles pre byes? It could make your side very R13 bye heavy with 4 R13 bye mids, particularly if Grundy break outs and it turns out we need him as R2. Could mean a donut in R13.

I don't think the D/F floating donut particularly is the way to go this season as we don't have the D/F rookies like last season. Potentially the D/M rookie is the one to go for as it seems like we'll have a few good D/M rookies like Hibberd, McGrath & Berry. I'm personally only looking at 1 FD at this stage as I struggled generating cash last season but it could change!
Good draft though!

Hey thanks for the feedback.

I still have some concerns over the Titchell selection but not for the reason you stated. In fact, being the number 1 mid without support has created some of the greatest spike seasons for players. Off the top of my head Tom Rockliff in 2014, Lachie Neale in 2016 and Tom Liberatore in 2014 are all cases where players very similar to Titchell have career best supercoach seasons being the primary mid with little support.

Titchell if anything is even less prone to be tagged as he oppositions know that he can just tag their best player in return.

I see Lynch as a must have early due to their early round draw.

Im not sure about Pendles being a top 8 mid this year, but regardless I've found it too difficult to plan for these draws from the get go and will see what happens.

I do agree that D/F might not be the way to go its actually a good point. Its just with how packed my midfield is I don't see much of a need to loophole mid rookies.

Thanks

 

[Bomber18]

Hey thanks for the feedback.

I still have some concerns over the Titchell selection but not for the reason you stated. In fact, being the number 1 mid without support has created some of the greatest spike seasons for players. Off the top of my head Tom Rockliff in 2014, Lachie Neale in 2016 and Tom Liberatore in 2014 are all cases where players very similar to Titchell have career best supercoach seasons being the primary mid with little support.

Titchell if anything is even less prone to be tagged as he oppositions know that he can just tag their best player in return.

I'm not sure comparisons of Titchell with Rocky, Libba and Neale are the best comparisons. They all had those "spike" seasons in bottom 4 sides where there was no reason for sides to pay close attention to them every game. You could add Zerrett to that list last season. Neale did have games where he struggled with the tag. I dare say, he would've copped more attention if Freo were a top 8 side. Rocky's 2014 was special, he was tagged on occasion but he beat the tag regularly. I'd argue he'd already broken out at that stage to elite as he had 2 110+ seasons before his 130+ season.

Libba's 2014 season is a different story altogether, as he played under a gamestyle that heavily favoured his contested possession style of play (unlike under the current coach) - I remember a bulldogs supporter made a great point on it last preseason. That lead to his 98DT:110SC season.

There's too much unknown for me with Tom Mitchell. He's never been tagged in his career so we have no idea how he'll cope with it. He'll definitely cop attention at the Hawks, which Sam Mitchell had been copping previously, as I don't see them falling to a bottom 4 side (but we didn't expect Freo to be bottom 4 last year too). Also, I'm not so sure it's a good thing for his scoring if he just "tags them back". At $565k and a R13 bye, too much uncertainty for me.

I see Lynch as a must have early due to their early round draw.

Im not sure about Pendles being a top 8 mid this year, but regardless I've found it too difficult to plan for these draws from the get go and will see what happens.

My one bone with Lynch is that in R9 you'll have to play an F7-8 ie: someone like Pickett or Rioli on field. They could score anywhere between 30-70 or if you hit the jackpot an 80+. If you see Lynch as 4ppg better than your next option then it's still worth it even if he misses a game.

 

[Prochard]

I'm not sure comparisons of Titchell with Rocky, Libba and Neale are the best comparisons. They all had those "spike" seasons in bottom 4 sides where there was no reason for sides to pay close attention to them every game. You could add Zerrett to that list last season. Neale did have games where he struggled with the tag. I dare say, he would've copped more attention if Freo were a top 8 side. Rocky's 2014 was special, he was tagged on occasion but he beat the tag regularly. I'd argue he'd already broken out at that stage to elite as he had 2 110+ seasons before his 130+ season.

Libba's 2014 season is a different story altogether, as he played under a gamestyle that heavily favoured his contested possession style of play (unlike under the current coach) - I remember a bulldogs supporter made a great point on it last preseason. That lead to his 98DT:110SC season.

There's too much unknown for me with Tom Mitchell. He's never been tagged in his career so we have no idea how he'll cope with it. He'll definitely cop attention at the Hawks which Sam Mitchell had been copping previously as I don't see them falling to a bottom 4 side (but we didn't expect Freo to be bottom 4 last year too). Also, I'm not so sure it's a good thing for his scoring if he just "tags them back". At $565k and a R13 bye, too much uncertainty for me.



My one bone with Lynch is that in R9 you'll have to play an F7-8 ie: someone like Pickett or Rioli on field. They could score anywhere between 30-70 or if you hit the jackpot an 80+. If you see Lynch as 4ppg better than your next option then it's still worth it even if he misses a game.

Yeap sure some good points here. The similarities between Neale, Rockliff, T Mitchell and to a lesser extent Libba is that:
1. All number 1 mids in their team
2. All teams that will struggle to some degree
3. All are inside midfielders who also rely on uncontested possessions for high disposal count to achieve massive scores
4. None of them is damaging with ball in hand
5. All are tackling machines so being tagged affect them less. I recall T Mitchell having a 2 touch 7 tackles quarter for 30 points 1 game this year.

I see Hawthorn finishing 11th to 13th at this stage so you could say there's no point tagging T Mitchell either. Mitchell being able to tag opposition mids back itself isn't gonna helpful his scoring, it's the viability of it acting as a preventative measure for tags that will benefit his output.

There're definitely many unknowns for T Mitchell, but the upside is too much for me to overlook. After having him this year and watching him pump out 115+ scores almost everytime he's given an offensive role, I know with the right scoring environment he will become a better SUPERCOACH midfielder than the likes of Cripps and Bontempelli. At this stage he just seems to be a younger and fitter version of Rockliff, who is a supercoach monster himself.

On Lynch, I haven't really thought about the byes honestly and I don't think there has been any clarification on the actual rules. Regardless, even if it's a loss of 3-4 points, he's still very high up on my list.


Thanks

 

[freowho]

I'm on the Titch train with Prochard. If you compare his stats to the other top mids he is well down on clearances and contested possessions and I would be staggered if these didn't go up significantly. Hawthorn haven't played a hard tag in the past and he definitely wasn't recruited to be a defensive forward.
But I'm not part of the Lynch mob. Did you see what I did there?
I wanted to be. But I did a draw for KPF's and he's got the hardest draw of all of them and a particularly difficult start. If he is really cheap after rnd 8 then I'll trade him in for round 10. But I've got him as a better pick after rnd 13 so he's a rnd 12 or rnd 13 upgrade target for me.

 

[30BucketsofRo]

I'm on the Titch train with Prochard. If you compare his stats to the other top mids he is well down on clearances and contested possessions and I would be staggered if these didn't go up significantly. Hawthorn haven't played a hard tag in the past and he definitely wasn't recruited to be a defensive forward.
But I'm not part of the Lynch mob. Did you see what I did there?

I find this interesting because Hawthorn's game plan has never really revolved around contested ball anyway and I was under the impression part of the reason he was bought in was to beef up contested ball and clearances. I guess more time as a "ball-winning" at Hawthorn vs his various roles at Sydney would see improvement this season. Still...
Titch is a wait and see for me. Hawthorn has not really been a SC relevant team in recent history aside from passing interest in Sam Mitchell, Hodge and possibly Gunston, Burgoyne, Roughie and Birchall throughout the seasons. I would say this has something to do with their sharing of the load at their best. They also haven't relied on contested ball as heavily as other teams due to their kicking skills and ability to cut opposition open on the rebound. Even Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis - who I see as the like-for-like with Titch - at their best averaged 113.4 (2011 - Mitchell) and 109.4 (2014 - Lewis). So unless a fundamental part of Hawthorn's game changes, is Titch really about to become the beast he could have been at another team? I'm not suggesting you don't pick him, I just wanted to play devil's advocate and bring another view to the table. Titch has all the tools to become a great SC pick but there are too many unknowns for me to pick him as a starter.

Also, solid pun freowho. The pun lyf is the best lyf

 

[Prochard]

I find this interesting because Hawthorn's game plan has never really revolved around contested ball anyway and I was under the impression he was bought in to beef up contested ball and clearances. I guess more time as a "ball-winning" at Hawthorn vs his various roles at Sydney would see improvement this season. Still...
Titch is a wait and see for me. Hawthorn has not really been a SC relevant team in recent history aside from passing interest in Sam Mitchell, Hodge and possibly Gunston, Burgoyne, Roughie and Birchall throughout the seasons. I would say this has something to do with their sharing of the load at their best. They also haven't relied on contested ball as heavily as other teams due to their kicking skills and ability to cut opposition open on the rebound. Even Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis - who I see as the like-for-like with Titch - at their best averaged 113.4 (2011 - Mitchell) and 109.4 (2014 - Lewis). So unless a fundamental part of Hawthorn's game changes, is Titch really about to become the beast he could have been at another team? I'm not suggesting you don't pick him, I just wanted to play devil's advocate and bring another view to the table. Titch has all the tools to become a great SC pick but there are too many unknowns for me to pick him as a starter.

Also, solid pun freowho. The pun lyf is the best lyf

This is the last time I'll talk up Mitchell lol I mean he's supposed to be my POD after all

Looking at Mitchell, he's more of a Tom Rockliff and Dane Swan than a JPK. He will always be very good at clearances but he doesn't rely on his inside game as much as Bont/Cripps/JPK/Fyfe/Dangerfield does.

He's an accumulator, which means at his peak he will be getting stats like 22 uncontested possessions and 15 contested and rack up his disposal count just like Swan and Rockliff does. He can move to defence or up forward to be a link up player similar to Sam Mitchell as well as winning the ball at contests. Hawthorn's gameplan may not be ideal for midfielders to score well with, but in Titch's case i believe it will affect him less than let's say Patrick Cripps.

On Lynch, looking at Gold Coast's draw it does seem to be quite underwhelming compared to what I imagined and I guess Lynch is a less attractive option than I thought. However the factor of a team's draw has always been overestimated by coaches and the primary reason why I'm most likely selecting him remains unchanged.

 

[Bomber18]

Yeap sure some good points here. The similarities between Neale, Rockliff, T Mitchell and to a lesser extent Libba is that:
1. All number 1 mids in their team
2. All teams that will struggle to some degree
3. All are inside midfielders who also rely on uncontested possessions for high disposal count to achieve massive scores
4. None of them is damaging with ball in hand
5. All are tackling machines so being tagged affect them less. I recall T Mitchell having a 2 touch 7 tackles quarter for 30 points 1 game this year.

I see Hawthorn finishing 11th to 13th at this stage so you could say there's no point tagging T Mitchell either. Mitchell being able to tag opposition mids back itself isn't gonna helpful his scoring, it's the viability of it acting as a preventative measure for tags that will benefit his output.

There're definitely many unknowns for T Mitchell, but the upside is too much for me to overlook. After having him this year and watching him pump out 115+ scores almost everytime he's given an offensive role, I know with the right scoring environment he will become a better SUPERCOACH midfielder than the likes of Cripps and Bontempelli. At this stage he just seems to be a younger and fitter version of Rockliff, who is a supercoach monster himself.

On Lynch, I haven't really thought about the byes honestly and I don't think there has been any clarification on the actual rules. Regardless, even if it's a loss of 3-4 points, he's still very high up on my list.


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Nice list there!

Your point at 5 is true - his tackling may help him out to push to 90s when he's under a tag. But the main thing for me is that he's never had to deal with a tag before so we have no idea how he will cope with the heat. I think even at 11th-13th it's not bottom 4 so Hawks will still be a threat most weeks to win games so teams will place tags. If he's copping the no.1 tag, it'll be difficult for him to have those uncontested possessions he needs to have those high possessions games. He won't have JPK/Hanners/Parker to spoon feed him or block either.
It seems that teams are placing less tags generally these days so the tag could not be that much of a concern as it once was. However, if he has a few 30+ games and Hawks look dangerous, he'll no doubt be shut down by opposition coaches. BucketsofRo also makes a good point about how the Hawks tend to spread the load - if Hawks do drop out of the 8, doesn't that mean less points in the pie to spread around?

I'd rather "wait and see" how he goes in a new environment and also how he deals with a tag. Worst case for me is he goes at 110 and I can just trade him in priced at 110 rather than 105. Worst case for you, he can't cope with the tag and falls to 100.

I'm on the Titch train with Prochard. If you compare his stats to the other top mids he is well down on clearances and contested possessions and I would be staggered if these didn't go up significantly.

Good point with the CL & CP stats, but they came in a different environment where others were taking the heat (and also the CPs/CLs). The games where he gets more CPs and CLs could be o***et by games where he cops hard tags if he isn't able to beat the tag.

 

[jarrad_]

i to was super keen on mitchell until i asked the oracle being rowsus

he pointed out that he is actually like his namesake sam in that he has to many 30+ possession games for under 100 sc points

at this stage i hope i don't regret not starting him for the reasons supplied

 

[Nathan]

I have zero concerns over Titchell, was starting to worry he was becoming popular.

Will be a man on a mission next season in a team that needs him to be. If teams want to tag I think Smith will get first dibs. Not worried about the game plan as we have no idea how they'll setup so not going to worry about it.

 

[Bomber18]

I have zero concerns over Titchell, was starting to worry he was becoming popular.

Will be a man on a mission next season in a team that needs him to be. If teams want to tag I think Smith will get first dibs. Not worried about the game plan as we have no idea how they'll setup so not going to worry about it.

With respect, I highly doubt Smith gets the No.1 tag over Titchell. Smith is not as damaging as Titchell can be. You can like him as a pick but I think you can't say that he has no concerns at all.