Strategy Round 5: Trades
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I think it comes down to whether you think he can turn it around and I think he will be able to. I don’t see much merit in spending the money and a trade for an extra 40-60 points this week from a premium when afterwards he will score similarly.
If you reckon he’s no longer a premium he’s worth a correction trade, but I’m not thinking that way yet.
If I felt like there was a Ridley 2020 option I would downgrade him and take the money, Jiath could be that player, but with how far back he’s come from and how much all the hawks defenders are scoring I have a hard time trusting it as sustainable
If you reckon he’s no longer a premium he’s worth a correction trade, but I’m not thinking that way yet.
If I felt like there was a Ridley 2020 option I would downgrade him and take the money, Jiath could be that player, but with how far back he’s come from and how much all the hawks defenders are scoring I have a hard time trusting it as sustainable
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Seeing it exactly the same as you mate, very easy to make an argument either way.
Leaning towards binning for Walsh (via Laird to backline) as it allows me to play Chapman at D6 instead of Berry/Jordon M8 which I think will net me points over the coming weeks.
This works for my team, but we're all in differing leaky boats right now.
Leaning towards binning for Walsh (via Laird to backline) as it allows me to play Chapman at D6 instead of Berry/Jordon M8 which I think will net me points over the coming weeks.
This works for my team, but we're all in differing leaky boats right now.
My two cents on Daniel
In terms of SC points, there are a lot of mouths to feed at the Bullies. After four rounds, the Bullies are currently ranked second for total points averaging 1,807.5 behind only the Swans at 1,822.8. Those averages are not sustainable. By way of comparison, the top ranked teams in the last four seasons were Geel 1783.3 (2020), GWS 1,729.9 (2019), Coll 1,729.9 (2018) and Adel 1,712.9 (2017).
Geelong were massive on the high possession game last year so even that score is a bit of an outlier so you should assume the Bulldogs will regress to somewhere in the low to mid 1,700s.
When you look at the volume of points going to the quality midfield group at the Dogs and combine that with all the other factors going against Daniel, it just feels like the points wont be there for him.
Personally, I'm probably going to trade but as others have said, my decision is partly structural. I've been running a five premo backline (assuming you count Daniel in that group) with Clark at D6. Now that some decent rookie options have emerged on that line and are actually looking like more reliable on-field options than many of the MID and FWD rookies, I'm happy to downgrade Daniel (to Jones) and bring in a Steele in the MIDs or possibly Danger up FWD, where I only have Dunkley at the moment.
In terms of SC points, there are a lot of mouths to feed at the Bullies. After four rounds, the Bullies are currently ranked second for total points averaging 1,807.5 behind only the Swans at 1,822.8. Those averages are not sustainable. By way of comparison, the top ranked teams in the last four seasons were Geel 1783.3 (2020), GWS 1,729.9 (2019), Coll 1,729.9 (2018) and Adel 1,712.9 (2017).
Geelong were massive on the high possession game last year so even that score is a bit of an outlier so you should assume the Bulldogs will regress to somewhere in the low to mid 1,700s.
When you look at the volume of points going to the quality midfield group at the Dogs and combine that with all the other factors going against Daniel, it just feels like the points wont be there for him.
Personally, I'm probably going to trade but as others have said, my decision is partly structural. I've been running a five premo backline (assuming you count Daniel in that group) with Clark at D6. Now that some decent rookie options have emerged on that line and are actually looking like more reliable on-field options than many of the MID and FWD rookies, I'm happy to downgrade Daniel (to Jones) and bring in a Steele in the MIDs or possibly Danger up FWD, where I only have Dunkley at the moment.
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Some interesting things on Daniel. He has had 26, 28 and 30 disposals the first three weeks and then 8, tells me they are still using him as an outlet.
His contested possession/uncontested possession stats last year were 110 contested and 203 uncontested. This year he’s at 11 contested, 66 uncontested. He was rated elite as a general defender for contested possessions last year and above average for contested possession rate with 6.1 cps on average and a 35.1% CP rate. This year he’s below average/poor with 2.8 cp’s and 14.3% cp rate.
His intercept possessions per game last year were above average at 5.2 per game and were in 2019 as well, this year they’re below average/poor at 2.5 per game.
His kicking is the same.
So basically atm he isn’t winning his own ball or intercepting, things he’s done consistently well for two seasons in that role. He is a tough player and I expect the cp’s to pick up quickly, hopefully the lack of intercepts isn’t a result of the rule changes and defensive structure but I’ll hope not.
Fwiw intercept possessions are different to intercept marks, it feels like all of Ridley’s intercepts are marks and Daniel’s are the opposite, needless to say you’d get more points for the marks. He is small but can read the play and get in the right spots, I do wonder if teams are putting a lot more work into shutting down that part of his game.
His contested possession/uncontested possession stats last year were 110 contested and 203 uncontested. This year he’s at 11 contested, 66 uncontested. He was rated elite as a general defender for contested possessions last year and above average for contested possession rate with 6.1 cps on average and a 35.1% CP rate. This year he’s below average/poor with 2.8 cp’s and 14.3% cp rate.
His intercept possessions per game last year were above average at 5.2 per game and were in 2019 as well, this year they’re below average/poor at 2.5 per game.
His kicking is the same.
So basically atm he isn’t winning his own ball or intercepting, things he’s done consistently well for two seasons in that role. He is a tough player and I expect the cp’s to pick up quickly, hopefully the lack of intercepts isn’t a result of the rule changes and defensive structure but I’ll hope not.
Fwiw intercept possessions are different to intercept marks, it feels like all of Ridley’s intercepts are marks and Daniel’s are the opposite, needless to say you’d get more points for the marks. He is small but can read the play and get in the right spots, I do wonder if teams are putting a lot more work into shutting down that part of his game.
If you wanted to be aggressive you could flip Brockman/Jordan to Waterman via DPP and then upconvert Jelly to the Man of Steele.
Not only would you increase the scoring power of your team by around 30-50ppg in the short term but also gain another VC/C option which you could utilise as early as tonight!
It would also likely reduce the injury risk profile of your side as Jelly will probably miss games at some point. In fact he hasn't played more than 15 games in a season since 2017.
Of course you could save the trades and just keep holding Jelly and hope Cameron finally comes to his senses and puts him on the ball but god knows when that will be.
Not only would you increase the scoring power of your team by around 30-50ppg in the short term but also gain another VC/C option which you could utilise as early as tonight!
It would also likely reduce the injury risk profile of your side as Jelly will probably miss games at some point. In fact he hasn't played more than 15 games in a season since 2017.
Of course you could save the trades and just keep holding Jelly and hope Cameron finally comes to his senses and puts him on the ball but god knows when that will be.
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Can't remember the last time I spent so much time thinking about SC trades, usually it's pretty straight forward.
Thinking I trade Daniel down to Jiath & Brockman out for Waterman, gives me 235k.
I could get Ridley, but at this stage, with 4 mid rookies still on field I think it's more important to upgrade there and the cash in the bank makes that a real possibility the next week.
Something like Gulden > Oliver & Berry > Jones via Laird.
Think that makes my onfield scoring a lot more solid.
Thinking I trade Daniel down to Jiath & Brockman out for Waterman, gives me 235k.
I could get Ridley, but at this stage, with 4 mid rookies still on field I think it's more important to upgrade there and the cash in the bank makes that a real possibility the next week.
Something like Gulden > Oliver & Berry > Jones via Laird.
Think that makes my onfield scoring a lot more solid.
If you wanted to be aggressive you could flip Brockman/Jordan to Waterman via DPP and then upconvert Jelly to the Man of Steele.
Not only would you increase the scoring power of your team by around 30-50ppg in the short term but also gain another VC/C option which you could utilise as early as tonight!
It would also likely reduce the injury risk profile of your side as Jelly will probably miss games at some point. In fact he hasn't played more than 15 games in a season since 2017.
Of course you could keep holding Jelly and hope Cameron finally comes to his senses and puts him on the ball but god knows when that will be.
Not only would you increase the scoring power of your team by around 30-50ppg in the short term but also gain another VC/C option which you could utilise as early as tonight!
It would also likely reduce the injury risk profile of your side as Jelly will probably miss games at some point. In fact he hasn't played more than 15 games in a season since 2017.
Of course you could keep holding Jelly and hope Cameron finally comes to his senses and puts him on the ball but god knows when that will be.
i would really like steel but this whole teams a day before thing means i don't dare go a double trade today.....
i am sweating on my flynn/meek combo at R2/R3....if flynn doesn't play i think enough is enough and I just correct meek/daniel to Grundy/Waterman...via a few DPPs. no way i trade flynn as there are big $$$ to be had there
My preferred option now is actually to bring in Tratiorfield (i mean dangerfield can't let that go sorry haha!) and waterman for Daniel/Dow
I think Danger will have a point to prove with his team being down and him being suspended. Straight in the guts, at home v North....yeah sounds good to me....so it all comes down to Friday teams and Flynn
i am sweating on my flynn/meek combo at R2/R3....if flynn doesn't play i think enough is enough and I just correct meek/daniel to Grundy/Waterman...via a few DPPs. no way i trade flynn as there are big $$$ to be had there
My preferred option now is actually to bring in Tratiorfield (i mean dangerfield can't let that go sorry haha!) and waterman for Daniel/Dow
I think Danger will have a point to prove with his team being down and him being suspended. Straight in the guts, at home v North....yeah sounds good to me....so it all comes down to Friday teams and Flynn
Yes I would play the B/E game and get Steele first too assuming the extra $40K required didn't cause you any other issues like cashing out a Gulden or Campbell too early etc. In which case I'd go Clarry instead if that means avoiding that.
Obviously it would be nice to grab Oliver in the next few weeks too once he's bottomed out but who know what issues we'll be dealing with at that point. Maybe another of your premos gets injured and you can also bring in Oliver too via that route as an example.
But if forced to choose right now the slight preference would be Steele. I started both fwiw and now looking for an avenue to Macrae, hopefully in the next few weeks ... but we'll see.
Obviously it would be nice to grab Oliver in the next few weeks too once he's bottomed out but who know what issues we'll be dealing with at that point. Maybe another of your premos gets injured and you can also bring in Oliver too via that route as an example.
But if forced to choose right now the slight preference would be Steele. I started both fwiw and now looking for an avenue to Macrae, hopefully in the next few weeks ... but we'll see.
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First trade will be Dow -> LJones and move Sharp to the mids.
With Daniel, Kosi and Sharp in the backline need to strengthen it or could be facing a donut.
Have been back and forth all week on trading Daniel, have the cash to go up to Ridley but don't think Daniel is going to be that bad for the rest of the year and would be nice to hold that 150k+ for my first upgrade.
Think it will just come down to how I feel at 4:30pm on Saturday.
With Daniel, Kosi and Sharp in the backline need to strengthen it or could be facing a donut.
Have been back and forth all week on trading Daniel, have the cash to go up to Ridley but don't think Daniel is going to be that bad for the rest of the year and would be nice to hold that 150k+ for my first upgrade.
Think it will just come down to how I feel at 4:30pm on Saturday.
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I’m thinking I go aggressive after reading a few comments here and go:
J.Kelly to J.Steele
B.Campbell to A.Waterman
My ruck section is vulnerable relying on one of Flynn/Meek to play, but either way I’d rather just upgrade straight to Gawn in a week or two rather than a makeshift ruck and burning a trade.
Mid rookies is weakish but can loop.
Forward rookies sketchy..
Team would look like this:
J.Kelly to J.Steele
B.Campbell to A.Waterman
My ruck section is vulnerable relying on one of Flynn/Meek to play, but either way I’d rather just upgrade straight to Gawn in a week or two rather than a makeshift ruck and burning a trade.
Mid rookies is weakish but can loop.
Forward rookies sketchy..
Team would look like this:
