Position Rucks Discussion

[HotShame]

Any love for Preuss @ R2? Obviously going to be playing barring injury.

 

[Manikato1]

Is Mathew Kruzer back?

Before I comment I will put my hand up and say I have been cut by Kreuzer before so I am looking at him through blood tinted glasses. He has only ever ave over 100 once in 11 years. From 2015 to 2018 his ave have been 89, 73, 109, 79 and he has missed 21 games in those same four seasons. I would rate him an unreliable conveyance at best and his price will never change that.

After all of that however I am seriously considering the Mumford option

 

[Bermi]

Looks like Gawn maybe a be good POD, for those who like PODs.

 

[doc ron]

These were the rule changes for those that missed it. Not sure who benefits most. Grundy and maybe Nank?

9. Ruck contests: prior opportunity
• A ruckman who takes direct possession of the ball from a bounce, throw-up or boundary throw-in will no longer be regarded as having had prior opportunity.
• Where there is uncertainty over who is the designated ruckman, the ruckman for each team will still be required to nominate to the field umpire.

Happy about the first part and peeved off about the second. As long as there is 1 ruck from each side does the umpire really need to know? If the tall lanky bloke gets hindered by the opposition when trying to contest the ruck then give him a free kick. If a second not so tallish bloke from the same team enters the contest then pay the free to the opposition, it's not rocket science.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Any love for Preuss @ R2? Obviously going to be playing barring injury.

Nah, wouldn’t be picking Preuss at R2.

He will almost certainly play this season but I doubt he will play every week. Will depend on who the Dees are playing any given round.

I think that sometimes we’ll need the extra tall/ruckman, other times it won’t be required.

 

[Willyorwonty]

Is Preuss' presence enough to not make Gawn a starting ruck. Didn't they bring him to the club for a reason - to play him and Gawn?

 

[IDIG]

Is Preuss' presence enough to not make Gawn a starting ruck. Didn't they bring him to the club for a reason - to play him and Gawn?

Similar to what I was thinking but if @Ben's Beasts isn’t scared off by Preuss, it’s good enough reason for me to remove that line I had through Gawn’s name.

No one really appeals at R2 which is half the problem.

 

[Bermi]

Nah, wouldn’t be picking Preuss at R2.

He will almost certainly play this season but I doubt he will play every week. Will depend on who the Dees are playing any given round.

I think that sometimes we’ll need the extra tall/ruckman, other times it won’t be required.

Thinking back to the start of 2018, when I thought Cox will take Grundy's points away from him, it didn't happen, because the best ruckman plays the majority of the time rucking.

 

[Herbie66]

no love for Darcy Cameron ?

surely 2019 is his year ?

Longer or Pierce for the Saints ?

Archie Smith is very cheap.

Tom Nicholls is still on the Suns list.

Just need Darcy Fort to play Round 1

Grundy , Fort (Mumford)

simple Scott drops him Round 2 (or late out) and season is already done

ok rucks sorted , now for the mids ?

 

[IDIG]

Thinking back to the start of 2018, when I thought Cox will take Grundy's points away from him, it didn't happen, because the best ruckman plays the majority of the time rucking.

I reckon that was the general consensus across the forum which caused a bunch of us not to start Grundy and in turn, had us playing catch up from day 1.

Next season, there’ll be stats posted about how ruckman rarely back up after a big/best season (justifiably) but Grundy will not be leaving my side at any time. My most locked player.

 

[Bermi]

I reckon that was the general consensus across the forum which caused a bunch of us not to start Grundy and in turn, had us playing catch up from day 1.

Next season, there’ll be stats posted about how ruckman rarely back up after a big/best season (justifiably) but Grundy will not be leaving my side at any time. My most locked player.

Besides that Grundy is expensive, I can't think of another reason why he wouldn't score well, hmmm.

 

[Bermi]

Similar to what I was thinking but if @Ben's Beasts isn’t scared off by Preuss, it’s good enough reason for me to remove that line I had through Gawn’s name.

No one really appeals at R2 which is half the problem.

Same with Gawn,
besides that he is expensive, I can't think of another reason why he wouldn't score well.

 

[Bermi]

no love for Darcy Cameron ?

surely 2019 is his year ?

Longer or Pierce for the Saints ?

Archie Smith is very cheap.

Tom Nicholls is still on the Suns list.

Just need Darcy Fort to play Round 1

Grundy , Fort (Mumford)

simple Scott drops him Round 2 (or late out) and season is already done

ok rucks sorted , now for the mids ?

Besides a 'Like' button, there should be a 'Funny Face' button, as I would have pressed the 'Funny Face' button, as I found that amusing

 

[freowho]

I reckon that was the general consensus across the forum which caused a bunch of us not to start Grundy and in turn, had us playing catch up from day 1.

Next season, there’ll be stats posted about how ruckman rarely back up after a big/best season (justifiably) but Grundy will not be leaving my side at any time. My most locked player.

I'm a notorious tight arse and hate starting with the most expensive players but the ability to VC Grundy and his nice starting fixture tips the scales for me. Even if he averages 115-120 he is still 10 points better than the 3rd best ruck and a couple of high scores locked into the Captains loophole makes up for the shortfall between his cost and his output. It's still possible I start with 2 really cheap options but if I had to choose a keeper from rnd 1 it would be Grundy.

 

[blue dreamer]

History of rucks backing up is not great, but atm without looking at full team selection am thinking Grundy, Mumford, Schenslog/Bines with westhoff selected as a forward and rucking at R2 for the first two weeks.

Hoff has played 173 games @ 90.07 since 2011 and the last five seasons 110 @ 91.86, I am happy to pay a premium and expect him to revert to 90ish to provide cover and still be a lock as a forward at that price.

The premium paid is o***et to a degree by the Mumford selection, same would apply to a lesser extent to those thinking of Kruezer.

I have always liked a R/F swing though and many think it is a total waste of time but really think the Hoff makes it very viable this coming season.

 

[pizza safety]

Looks like Gawn maybe a be good POD, for those who like PODs.

I still feel like those who play the game more casually will start him more often. (more often that us I mean)

 

[Bermi]

…………..Hoff has played 173 games @ 90.07 since 2011 and the last five seasons 110 @ 91.86, I am happy to pay a premium and expect him to revert to 90ish to provide cover and still be a lock as a forward at that price...……..I have always liked a R/F swing though and many think it is a total waste of time but really think the Hoff makes it very viable this coming season.

If Westhoff can avg in the 90s for the season, then I would be happy to have him in the Fwd line, as support if one ruckman is out for a week or 2.
I too have always liked a R/F swing, but it didn't help me in 2018, as the top ruckmen rarely missed games, hmmm. Maybe the ruckmen are getting less injuries now because there is no third man up now?

 

[Darkie]

Think you can pretty much cut out his midfield minutes other than stints on the wing. To be honest, I’ve no idea how Port will structure up this season, if I were picking the team Watts would be playing in the magoos and I’d have Westhoff playing his role but it’s realy just an uneducated guess.

I think unless either Paddy or Lycett get injured, which history says will probably happen to both of them throughout the year, Ho*** average will dip back to what it has been historically, unless those injuries are significant.

Thanks mate, appreciate your thoughts. Westhoff sounds a bit more marginal than I might have hoped on a standalone basis - although his DPP and durability are big pluses. I'll give it some more thought.

 

[IDIG]

From freowho's analysis thread.

I looked at how the top supercoach rucks were affected by their opponent in 2018. On average I went down to Bellchambers and didn't include Sandilands scores because he didn't play many games but included him as an opponent, FremantleA is against Sandi and Fremantle is without Sandi.
Grundy doesn't get Sandi until rnd 11, Gawn until rnd 12 and plays West Coast in rnd 3 where NicNat won't play. They would be the 3 main threats to a big early price drop. The only other one might be Stef Martin in rnd 5 who he had 110 and 121 against this year. Given he is also a great VC not starting him could be painful.
For those looking at an R2 placeholder definitely avoid one that plays Gawn early as he destroyed his opponents scores this year. Even if his average goes down with Preuss in the team he should still be an opponent to avoid.
Goldstein potentially starts with Sandi and Stef!

View attachment 4736

 

[IDIG]

Anyone looking at Goldy now that Preuss is gone? Finished the year very well after a slow start scoring 12 out of 14 tons with the other scores being 95 and 61.

I’m really struggling to find an R2 I like (obviously). I have Kreuzer there at the moment but not especially keen on starting him due to his lack of durability and I really don’t want to go through the R2 merry go round again like last year!

I assume if Preuss couldn’t cement a spot in the team, Campbell won’t either.