Opinion SC 2021: Rate My Team

Nick T · 5 Mar 2021

This is pretty much the team I've been angling for but is reliant on 4 sub $140k defender rookies being selected for round 1. Once I include an extra premium or the likes of Cox and H. Young then extra midpricers come into play on the other lines.

I achieved my best ranking of 143 yet like each year the final 2-3 picks on each line except rucks were still under 100 avg or sub par for mids. As great as that ranking was, it's still a long way off the top 10 in terms of points. How many of your final trade ins or under performing premiums can you finish with to have a realistic shot at winning?

2020 (sub par averages in finished team)

Def
Haynes 98.4
May 94.5

Mid
Duncan 103.6
Cripps 97.5
JPK 95.6

For
Simpkin 93
B. Smith 92.1
D. Smith 85.3

Haynes had a poor end to the year and I jumped on May's hot streak. I did well overall partly due to not being hit hard by injury or COVID and nailing my VC loopholes. At the same time, some wrong trading left me with some weak players and compromised cheap final picks.

How deep does your final 22 have to bat to make top 10? I'm wondering do I accept defeat and pre-empt about 5-6 keepers who I anticipate may average 100-105 or hopefully more (as opposed to 85-95) at the end of the year and get them at a bargain now. Whomever you pick you'd want to do better than my ones above and the rest of the picks have to be in the top finishers on each line. I guess no matter what I've done, I still end up with too many sub par players.

Candidates
D - Williams, Duggan
M - Rowell, Walsh, Taranto, Simpkin
F - Caldwell, Heeney, Ryan (WC)

freowho · 5 Mar 2021

Nick T said:

This is pretty much the team I've been angling for but is reliant on 4 sub $140k defender rookies being selected for round 1. Once I include an extra premium or the likes of Cox and H. Young then extra midpricers come into play on the other lines.

I achieved my best ranking of 143 yet like each year the final 2-3 picks on each line except rucks were still under 100 avg or sub par for mids. As great as that ranking was, it's still a long way off the top 10 in terms of points. How many of your final trade ins or under performing premiums can you finish with to have a realistic shot at winning?

2020 (sub par averages in finished team)

Def
Haynes 98.4
May 94.5

Mid
Duncan 103.6
Cripps 97.5
JPK 95.6

For
Simpkin 93
B. Smith 92.1
D. Smith 85.3

Haynes had a poor end to the year and I jumped on May's hot streak. I did well overall partly due to not being hit hard by injury or COVID and nailing my VC loopholes. At the same time, some wrong trading left me with some weak players and compromised cheap final picks.

How deep does your final 22 have to bat to make top 10? I'm wondering do I accept defeat and pre-empt about 5-6 keepers who I anticipate may average 100-105 or hopefully more (as opposed to 85-95) at the end of the year and get them at a bargain now. Whomever you pick you'd want to do better than my ones above and the rest of the picks have to be in the top finishers on each line. I guess no matter what I've done, I still end up with too many sub par players.

Candidates
D - Williams, Duggan
M - Rowell, Walsh, Taranto, Simpkin
F - Caldwell, Heeney, Ryan (WC)

I think it's ok to have a sub premium or loop a couple on each line as long as the others on that line are proper premiums, you have the 2 or 3 standout captains and you didn't pay much for your sub premiums. Of the ones you listed Caldwell is probably at the price point where a 90 average for a forward wouldn't hurt plus he can be swung into the mids for cover. The others probably need to reach premium scoring.

Nick T · 5 Mar 2021

Yes, that's very sound and accepting most teams will carry some lower average players. Striving for perfection may only bring about more risky picks in my starting line up. Cripps and the 2 Smiths were in my starting team and the other 5 came down to how I traded across the year including buying too high and selling too low. It's finding that balance between GN'R and too many midpricers.

randomcliche · 5 Mar 2021

Bomber18 said:

BigRuss said:

Fellas I like your selections, but not the structure. With 11 perhaps 12 keepers in the Caldwell version I think it's going to be a long haul to get to full premo. I just feel that 11+3 is too sketchy. Love to see a trade plan to get you there. Happy to be convinced because doing the MPM team is really throwing up some solid options (which I can't include because of overall structure issues).

Drew · 5 Mar 2021

Herbie66 said:

Cheers mate, thanks. Will go have a look at Cahill, what’s the love affair with Impey? I’ve noticed people seem to be keen on him.

As for Daniher, nooooooo........ You do all realise he’s a lumbering big tall KPF who's only averaged over 70 once and played 15 games in the last three seasons..... right?

As for Rayner, I’m bullish on him, 4th year in, top pick with obvious talent and in a side that should easily compete for finals. I’m picking a breakout year!

Herbie66 · 5 Mar 2021

Drew said:

I think Impey is a combination of price , role (HBF) , best 22 , likely to Ave 60-70 and still unknowns about the cheaper forward rookies and whether they are viable or not.

Been plenty of discussion on Dainher.

Bailey or Rayner both have the makings of a break out , just a matter of which one.

Professor · 5 Mar 2021

Stated last night that this was the best time re selection of teams, well I had a hissy fit and removed 5 Carlton players last night, out Saad, Doch, Walsh, Crippa and Martin, notable ins, Brodie Smith, Fyfe, Neale. Expecting more changes on the way. Sitting with this team atm.

stephen · 5 Mar 2021

Professor said:

think you might have thrown the baby out with the bathwater there.

Drew · 5 Mar 2021

Herbie66 said:

Dusty in the mids! That’s keen!

I'm interested in the Heeney pick Herbie, has gone 94 for two years and 97 two years running before that, so definitely a viable keeper pick at perhaps F5/F6 but do you see any increase in his output otherwise?

Herbie66 · 5 Mar 2021

Got the calculator out

Gawn + Grundy = $ 1,400,000.00
Bench (8 x $ 125k) = $ 1,000,000.00
Cox , Dow , Campbell , Powell , Ziebell , Daniher , Impey , Cahill = $ 1,600,000.00

= $ 4 million

Leaves $ 6 million for 12 players , average $ 500,000.00 per player

All going well we would need 12 downgrades for 8 onfield rookie upgrades = 20 trades

8 onfield rookies seems too many though

So who can we get for $ 500k ?

Essentially went through the player list by position and got :-

Docherty , Sheppard , Rampe , Houston , Vlastuin
Simpkin , Rowell , Jones , Smith , Hopper
Dixon , Gray

Hardly likely to be the top Premiums in their line , possibly make an argument for Docherty , Dixon & Gray.

So

If we then start underpriced value players and hope they score 90-95 to get extra $$$ are we then selling ourselves short when teams are full premium and we have compromised picks at D6 , M8 & F6.

Example of these players would be :-

H Clark , Duggan , McEvoy , Williams
Taranto
Heeney

Vlastuin down to $ 450k probably let's Sheppard , Rampe , Houston become $ 515k options which is still short.

Unlikely to get too many mid premiums at a $ 550 k starting price.

Heeney gives $ 50k which gets you Dusty which could be acceptable.

If we start another 2 onfield rookies (will their be 2 @ $ 125k) that would then require another 5 trades , plus our already 20 planned.

It does however allow us $ 5,750,000.00 for 10 remaining players which is $ 575,000.00 which would allow us to start most D & F premiums (apart from Lloyd & Danger) , mids though you are looking at Rockliff , Parker , Gaff , Liberatore.

Maybe the "loose change" created allows the $ 600k type mids but then is 12-0-10 is too many starting rookies ?

I guess the other way is to start 3-4 $ 350k players (eg Harmes , Green , Caldwell) and hope they can score 80-90 , which would still need to be upgraded , could mean another 8 trades + our 20 trades already planned.

Doesn't leave too much room for error/injuries over the season.

Think 8 starting rookies is too many , but can't see how we get 14 keeper/premiums without going for 3-4 (maybe more) value picks that probably need to be upgraded anyway.

Hopefully some of that makes sense.

Herbie66 · 5 Mar 2021

Drew said:

I think I am too in love with the Ziebell , Daniher , Impey , Cahill , Rookie Forward line but no idea if their will be cheaper alternatives that could score similarly.

Not sure whether to start Dusty or wait , not sure if Walsh will be a Top 10 mid , although starting to warm to A Brayshaw but again can he get to 110+ to be a viable starting pick ?

I would be happy if Heeney has a similar output to previous years , think his game/role should be fairly obvious now over the seasons for SC output.

I guess with Danger , Sidebottom , Dunkley , Dusty , Son Son (maybe less mid time) , Zorko + Marshall , Dixon & Hawkins is their room for Heeney ?

Butters & Bolton similar price , big watch on Zac Bailey.

TopBillings · 5 Mar 2021

Getting closer..

Hondo · 5 Mar 2021

TopBillings said:

tom green $351k is an extremely awkward price what are you predicting him to score on his second year in a stacked midfield at GWS? Rowell and Taranto could go in for Titch and Green?

Herbie66 · 5 Mar 2021

Professor said:

Where is Silvagni ?

Brodie Smith might be interesting with Milera going down , depends how they decide to work that HB/W/Midfield role.

Markov could also work.

That midfield looks awesome

13 upgrades though maybe , will you have enough trades ?

bloke · 5 Mar 2021

The Blokes are back for 2021!

Played my normal game over the break, trying to convince myself I wouldn’t get sucked into playing again this year. BUT, after my best ever season last year where I finished top 1k, had to get back onboard this year.

Threw this together with very little thought and having a browse through the last couple of pages of this thread for rookies and ideas around structure.

HATE the forward line structure, but equally not keen on the options we have as top end forwards. Will have to watch the games closely this weekend to see if anyone shows anything, and also check out Ziebell/Daniher/Impey (if they’re all playing?). Will be priority 1 to change if I can.

Likewise, don’t like having both Duggan and Taranto as speculative mid-$400k picks, I would normally only have one of those in my team in round 1.

Also going to be the first year (I think) that I’ve played and not started Fyfe when he is fit and available. Just want to see how his role is this year, especially with other kids at Freo potentially taking up mid spots.

It’s a start, but I know I need to put in a bit of time over the next few weeks to get it where I want it.

Professor · 5 Mar 2021

Herbie66 said:

13 upgrades? ZDID will be keepers. 😜

wogitalia · 5 Mar 2021

In for the 25 teams featuring Short that pop up tomorrow morning

Herbie66 · 5 Mar 2021

Professor said:

Let's hope so or some cheaper , higher scoring alternatives appear.

Need to save money somewhere to fit all these premiums in.

Still think it is at R2 (and even R1).

Bring on some more games and scores.

wogitalia · 6 Mar 2021

Herbie66 said:

If we can get Meek looking decent odds at R1 for the Dockers it really opens up the rucks. Really struggling to go with Flynn at R2 if he's naked and would really wedge you into the Grundy/Gawn upgrade early in the season as the exposure is enormous. Everything else about Flynn at R2 stacks up and I might still take all my risk there but it's so hard.

Gruffles · 6 Mar 2021

Professor said:

Stated last night that this was the best time re selection of teams, well I had a hissy fit and removed 5 Carlton players last night, out Saad, Doch, Walsh, Crippa and Martin, notable ins, Brodie Smith, Fyfe, Neale. Expecting more changes on the way. Sitting with this team atm.

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Keep Cripps mate.