SCS Supercoach Ultimate League

[Goodie's Guns]

An extremely useful session (thanks heaps for it) and some general observations that woke me up ... just had these nagging thoughts in the back of my mind that woke me up .... yep I have one of those minds that won't let something go if it doesn't seem right or make sense to me.

I make these observations on several fronts .... will use Worpel as an example and try to articulate my thoughts as best that I can in text:

1. Are the 2017 draft year (top end players) priced out of the draft for multiple year contracts ....

- On a one year deal he looks to be worth $533,775 (SCCKL) which is different to his actual SC price of $527,000 (inflated a touch but no big deal). Which price are we using .... I thought it was the SC one (clarification sought for my spreadsheet set up across most players)

- Even a one year contract starts at an inflated price in normal SC terms due to the MN but am aware we are playing a different game here ...

- But for a 2+ year contract to me he is almost unobtainable at the projected prices

- Of my short listed top end players from this draft class that this would also probably apply to are Kelly, Mihocek, Clark, Brayshaw etc off the top of my head .... had to adjust my spreadsheet tonight as I'd budgeted on their respective single year prices only (not the multiple year projected ones)

- I'm not overly concerned about missing out on any of them (well maybe) but could only offer single year contracts as otherwise I'd probably be better off waiting a year to see if they are still on the open market at more appropriate prices ...

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2. However, this is will also apply to subsequent draft classes and is food for thought as to how long you can hold on to these rookies ...

- Which brings me to "in season" contract extensions (thinking 2018 draft class for now) .... what prices will they be based off ... probably missed it somewhere in the rules ...

3. Something else I have negated to also mention from my research:

- I think Callum Brown (GWS) is incorrectly priced in your master spreadsheet

- Only other discrepancies I "might" have stumbled across (haven't double checked) were the 2019 averages for Lynch (RIC), Reid (COL) and Williams (WBD) but to be honest these really made no "overall" difference to me ...

1. Might leave Ken to explain this one, I know he's posted regarding it before somewhere but after a quick look I couldn't find it. Anyway, in short it has to do with the risk you take to take them on for multiple years in the 2CP.

2.1. No contracts are 'signed' mid season, all contracting process take place at the end of a season, in the lead up to the new season. There will be the specific signing periods for category of uncontracted player.

2.2 Per the rules, published a couple of times in tab "Salaries & Contracts"... The contract salaries are determined by formula, and are published in table form before the Second Contract period. Ken also posted about this on Tuesday (see post #106),

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3. Noted and double checked, have passed on the required adjustments and cell references to Ken for easy adjustment.

 

[Tails]

1. Might leave Ken to explain this one, I know he's posted regarding it before somewhere but after a quick look I couldn't find it. Anyway, in short it has to do with the risk you take to take them on for multiple years in the 2CP.

2.1. No contracts are 'signed' mid season, all contracting process take place at the end of a season, in the lead up to the new season. There will be the specific signing periods for category of uncontracted player.

2.2 Per the rules, published a couple of times in tab "Salaries & Contracts"... The contract salaries are determined by formula, and are published in table form before the Second Contract period. Ken also posted about this on Tuesday (see post #106),




3. Noted and double checked, have passed on the required adjustments and cell references to Ken for easy adjustment.

Mmm ... done so much reading and I "thought" that I read that rookie contracts could be extended before round 17'ish .... was a lagging thought but can't find a reference to back me up anymore

- Back in my box on that one it seems ... but now understand the long term implications a bit better ...

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Mmm ... done so much reading and I "thought" that I read that rookie contracts could be extended before round 17'ish .... was a lagging thought but can't find a reference to back me up anymore

- Back in my box on that one it seems ... but now understand the long term implications a bit better ...

I'm unaware of that ever being mentioned but I'm sure Ken will clear up at some stage today.

 

[KLo30]

An extremely useful session (thanks heaps for it) and some general observations that woke me up ... just had these nagging thoughts in the back of my mind that woke me up .... yep I have one of those minds that won't let something go if it doesn't seem right or make sense to me.

I make these observations on several fronts .... will use Worpel as an example and try to articulate my thoughts as best that I can in text:

1. Are the 2017 draft year (top end players) priced out of the draft for multiple year contracts ....

- On a one year deal he looks to be worth $533,775 (SCCKL) which is different to his actual SC price of $527,000 (inflated a touch but no big deal). Which price are we using .... I thought it was the SC one (clarification sought for my spreadsheet set up across most players)

- Even a one year contract starts at an inflated price in normal SC terms due to the MN but am aware we are playing a different game here ...

- But for a 2+ year contract to me he is almost unobtainable at the projected prices

- Of my short listed top end players from this draft class that this would also probably apply to are Kelly, Mihocek, Clark, Brayshaw etc off the top of my head .... had to adjust my spreadsheet tonight as I'd budgeted on their respective single year prices only (not the multiple year projected ones)

- I'm not overly concerned about missing out on any of them (well maybe) but could only offer single year contracts as otherwise I'd probably be better off waiting a year to see if they are still on the open market at more appropriate prices ...

View attachment 17328

2. However, this is will also apply to subsequent draft classes and is food for thought as to how long you can hold on to these rookies ...

- Which brings me to "in season" contract extensions (thinking 2018 draft class for now) .... what prices will they be based off ... probably missed it somewhere in the rules ...

3. Something else I have negated to also mention from my research:

- I think Callum Brown (GWS) is incorrectly priced in your master spreadsheet

- Only other discrepancies I "might" have stumbled across (haven't double checked) were the 2019 averages for Lynch (RIC), Reid (COL) and Williams (WBD) but to be honest these really made no "overall" difference to me ...

We are using the magic number (MN) of 5500 for this game. This will not change year to year as we need to predetermine contract salaries, etc.

Therefore prices will be close to the Supercoach prices, but just a little above.

1. Some players such as Worpel and Kelly will do exceptionally well in their two years of their rookie contract. Playing just below that of a premium player. 2nd Contracts are graded in price such that the player will "grow" into a premium. The Worpel's and Kelly's fast tracked themselves and therefore if you want to offer a multi year contract teams will have to pay for the privilege.

Post #62 gives a breakdown on how prices are calculated.

2. All contracts are done in the preseason. Prices are their average x MN.

There is a 2nd Contract Calculator in the updated version of the Excel sheet. Put your predicted average in and it will give you all the details.

3. Callum Brown (GWS) should be in the 2018 Draft Class. His price has been adjusted, however he won't be added to the 2018 draft class section as there is too many subsequent formulas to alter, and I haven't the time to do so. You can draft him in Rounds 19+ as a rookie.

Lynch, Reid and Williams have had that detail change. You're right it makes no difference.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Hi fellas.

Jordy and I just ran a trial run of a zoom screen share clock, placing last second bids.
Seemed to work quite well, somewhere between 0.25 - 0.5 of a second possible delay from the central clock. Which I don't think we would be able to better unless we were the AFL or some other massive organisation.

Would strongly encourage you to be able to login into the zoom call and view the central clock.
It will then allow Ken to make easy announcements, etc.

EDIT: I think @Philzsay will host the Zoom and hopefully be able to run the timer for us?

 

[Jordan's Jets]

Hi fellas.

Jordy and I just ran a trial run of a zoom screen share clock, placing last second bids.
Seemed to work quite well, somewhere between 0.25 - 0.5 of a second possible delay from the central clock. Which I don't think we would be able to better unless we were the AFL or some other massive organisation.

Would strongly encourage you to be able to login into the zoom call and view the central clock.
It will then allow Ken to make easy announcements, etc.

EDIT: I think @Philzsay will host the Zoom and hopefully be able to run the timer for us?

@Philzsay even if you can’t get the timer going, we should be able to update your Zoom settings to allow others to screen share. That way Ken/Tim/anyone will be able to run the timer

 

[Bomber18]

Can someone PM me the Zoom details please?

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Can someone PM me the Zoom details please?

Will have Philzsay post the details tonight in the group inbox and in the draft doc.

 

[Philzsay]

Can someone PM me the Zoom details please?

Will have Philzsay post the details tonight in the group inbox and in the draft doc.

Will do so around 7 to 8 when I'm at home! Will be a new link I need to create.

 

[KLo30]

Bidding time limit
There were two intentions when setting the bidding time limit.
1. To ensure sufficient time for teams to bid and counter bid, as one would do in a normal auction.
2. Set a time limit to enable the auctioning to take place in a reasonable amount of time.

15 sec extension(s)
The intention was to enable bidding to reach a maximum("are you all done") whilst putting a time limit so the auction doesn't go on for ever.

The easiest and quickest way to run the auction is simply having all bids in after 90 secs, highest bid wins at that point in time. No further bids allowed. However, it is hard to tell the difference between a time lag in the system, and teams overbidding and not being mindful of the time.

Thoughts?


To avoid time lags, can everyone restart their computer before commencing tonight, so that caches are cleared and your computer is running at optimum speed.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Bidding time limit
There were two intentions when setting the bidding time limit.
1. To ensure sufficient time for teams to bid and counter bid, as one would do in a normal auction.
2. Set a time limit to enable the auctioning to take place in a reasonable amount of time.

15 sec extension(s)
The intention was to enable bidding to reach a maximum("are you all done") whilst putting a time limit so the auction doesn't go on for ever.

The easiest and quickest way to run the auction is simply having all bids in after 90 secs, highest bid wins at that point in time. No further bids allowed. However, it is hard to tell the difference between a time lag in the system, and teams overbidding and not being mindful of the time.

Thoughts?


To avoid time lags, can everyone restart their computer before commencing tonight, so that caches are cleared and your computer is running at optimum speed.

Thank you for the clarification Ken. I think everyone will now have a better understanding of the 15 second extension and its intension.
We should now see each auction run its race from the very beginning. Rather than waiting to bid in the final seconds of the 90. And in the case where we do still have a bidding war after 90 seconds, allowing that to continue until no one wishes to bid higher. If we all go into tonight with the same understanding, I think that aspect of the bidding should run quite smoothly, and therefore leave less strict importance on the timer deadline.

 

[KLo30]

Thank you for the clarification Ken. I think everyone will now have a better understanding of the 15 second extension and its intension.
We should now see each auction run its race from the very beginning. Rather than waiting to bid in the final seconds of the 90. And in the case where we do still have a bidding war after 90 seconds, allowing that to continue until no one wishes to bid higher. If we all go into tonight with the same understanding, I think that aspect of the bidding should run quite smoothly, and therefore leave less strict importance on the timer deadline.

In a nut shell

GO HARD, GO FAST, GO EARLY

and if we need more time it's available.

 

[KLo30]

At 6pm, I'm kicking everyone out of the drafting doc, so that I can wipe it clean in preparation for tonight's draft.

 

[Tails]

We are using the magic number (MN) of 5500 for this game. This will not change year to year as we need to predetermine contract salaries, etc.

Therefore prices will be close to the Supercoach prices, but just a little above.

1. Some players such as Worpel and Kelly will do exceptionally well in their two years of their rookie contract. Playing just below that of a premium player. 2nd Contracts are graded in price such that the player will "grow" into a premium. The Worpel's and Kelly's fast tracked themselves and therefore if you want to offer a multi year contract teams will have to pay for the privilege.

Post #62 gives a breakdown on how prices are calculated.

2. All contracts are done in the preseason. Prices are their average x MN.

There is a 2nd Contract Calculator in the updated version of the Excel sheet. Put your predicted average in and it will give you all the details.

3. Callum Brown (GWS) should be in the 2018 Draft Class. His price has been adjusted, however he won't be added to the 2018 draft class section as there is too many subsequent formulas to alter, and I haven't the time to do so. You can draft him in Rounds 19+ as a rookie.

Lynch, Reid and Williams have had that detail change. You're right it makes no difference.

Thanks for the clarifications on all points.

Everything makes sense and I'll update my own spreadsheet accordingly - will literally take minutes to do so no issues.

 

[Philzsay]

FYI zoom link, id, password etc in the spreadsheet
i will be in and out of view for the next 30 mins while i organise stuff

 

[Deeman1]

FYI zoom link, id, password etc in the spreadsheet
i will be in and out of view for the next 30 mins while i organise stuff

Where in the sheet is the zoom info Phil?

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Where in the sheet is the zoom info Phil?

Chat box. Same as last night.

 

[Deeman1]

Chat box. Same as last night.

Thanks Goodie, got it now, it was not there before that I could see

 

[Philzsay]

Chat box. Same as last night.

Yo!! You are the only one left to log in!!!

 

[Darkie]

Crazy prices early days - most of the top 10 going for over $1m per season!