Discussion Structure, Strategy and Sacrifice

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Definetely havn't seen a year like this before.

I think we'll be forced to do this, and pay up everywhere else

D7/8 - Brander/Watson
M6-11 - Rowell, Pickett, Green, McInerny, Sharp, Robertson
F6-8 - Crocker, King, Rankine

Mid Bench is being optomistic, still hope for Starcevich, Gould and Budarick. Sturt and Davis dont have scoring power.

Then we have expensive options with reasonable JS - Noble. BZT, Hill, Ash. I think we start as many of these as it suits depending on structure.

So just working around that, its a matter of nailing the value picks and then and figuring out who to cut out of M1-M5, Gawn, and Whitfield/Dusty. I think well need to cut 2 at least.

Dusty doesnt seemt to hold much value in terms of scoring. Hasnt scored 140 in about 40 games, doesnt tackle and more fwd time. He's the most expendable for me.

I think we saw enough to suggest Gawn will be fine, so dont really want to cut him unless you feel real good about English/Naismith. Set Gawn.

Then theres Whit who we can group with the Mids. We saw his ceiling fully fit, see how his ankle goes next game. I dont think I'm willing to part with Jelly or Neale, and the Dogs play first 6/8 at Marvel/Ballarat. Then there is Cripps who starts hot every year. Now to cut two of Whit, Dunkley, Bont, Macrae and Cripps. Wouldnt mind some help here.

Value Picks I like under 480k - Dawson, Parish, Tracc, Ceglar, Doch, Devon. so will probably pick 4 of these guys. Am open to others but narrowed it down to these.
 
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#43
Definetely havn't seen a year like this before.

I think we'll be forced to do this, and pay up everywhere else

D7/8 - Brander/Watson
M6-11 - Rowell, Pickett, Green, McInerny, Sharp, Roberton
F6-9 - Crocker, King, Rankine

Mid Bench is being optomistic, still hope for Starcevich, Gould and Budarick. Sturt and Davis dont have scoring power.

Then we have expensive options with reasonable JS - Noble. BZK, Hill, Ash. I think we start as many of these as it suits depending on structure.

So just working around that, its a matter of nailing the value picks and then and figuring out who to cut out of M1-M5, Gawn, and Whitfield/Dusty. I think well need to cut 2 at least.

Dusty doesnt seemt to hold much value in terms of scoring. Hasnt scored 140 in about 40 games, doesnt tackle and more fwd time. He's the most expendable for me.

I think we saw enough to suggest Gawn will be fine, so dont really want to cut him unless you feel real good about English/Naismith. Set Gawn.

Then theres Whit who we can group with the Mids. We saw his ceiling fully fit, see how his ankle goes next game. I dont think I'm will to part with Jelly or Neale, and the Dogs play first 6/8 at Marvel/Ballarat. Then there is Cripps who starts hot every year. Now to cut two of Whit, Dunkley, Bont, Macrae and Cripps. Wouldnt mind some help here.

Value Picks I like under 480k - Dawson, Parish, Tracc, Ceglar, Doch, Devon. so will probably pick 4 of these guys.
Fantastic summary

It almost looks like you need to start Docherty & Roberton at D1/D2 to fit in 4-5 premium mids , Whitfield & Gawn + Grundy.

And actually have 7 viable starters on the bench.

Going to be a fine juggling act
 

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I've been trawling through and I'm now starting to look at some potential value options in the high 400K to mid-500k range for M5 to see if that will release a bit more cash for better rookies... :unsure:
I’ve been considering whether someone like Houston or D Smith might even fill this role.

In that scenario, you’re still going a bit mid-pricey, but (1) it’s a mid-pricer that is good enough to be in close consideration by a wide range of coaches, and (2) they’re eligible to play in a line where the pass mark for a keeper is much lower.
 
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My strategy at this stage is to pick 10 premos that I 100% want in my team meaning that there are 24 trades for up and down at the absolute worst.....hopefully I nail a few value guys so I only need 20 trades to complete a team. Those 10 guys I will spare no expenses and if the rookies mean I have to pay up then I get more of them and less (d smith/Petracca) types.
 
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Whitfield has been the one I just haven’t been able to retain while fielding a side with a realistic mix of cash generators and the (fallen) premos I feel confident in on other lines.
Understand that he’ll be a non-negotiable for others, but he’s the one I have continually circled back to thus far.
 
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My strategy at this stage is to pick 10 premos that I 100% want in my team meaning that there are 24 trades for up and down at the absolute worst.....hopefully I nail a few value guys so I only need 20 trades to complete a team. Those 10 guys I will spare no expenses and if the rookies mean I have to pay up then I get more of them and less (d smith/Petracca) types.
looking at a very similar tactic. We won’t be able to ‘lock’ 13-14 keepers from the start this year without a bit of luck.
 
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I’ve been considering whether someone like Houston or D Smith might even fill this role.

In that scenario, you’re still going a bit mid-pricey, but (1) it’s a mid-pricer that is good enough to be in close consideration by a wide range of coaches, and (2) they’re eligible to play in a line where the pass mark for a keeper is much lower.
Been looking at that too, but given that I'm seeing them as keeper at DEF / FWD that relies on someone else (or several someone else's) on those lines making a bigger jump to allow for a MID premo upgrade.

There is definitely room for it to be considered though - a few attempts at a team have ended up this way.
 
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I would .... if I could find any ??
This thread reads as the annual instalment of the “there are no reliable cheap rookies” SuperCoach discussion.

My 10 cents is to go with the best options from whoever is named Round 1 and limit the number of high priced rookies as not all Round 1 picks have to work but the structure will allow for Round 2, 3 and 4 rookie corrections to ensure cash generation before the byes.
 

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I think what may happen is that there will be more rookies named in the forward line and only expensive rookies named in the backline.

Normally you would “follow” the rookies but the more value selections all also seem to be in the forward line and Roberton is the only main one in defence. Finding it hard to tell whether it’s better to say start a BZT/McAsey on bench or restructure to flip say Trac/BZT into Sturt/Laird. I prefer the BZT route atm and will hope BZT gets a spike score at some stage.
 

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My 10 cents is to go with the best options from whoever is named Round 1 and limit the number of high priced rookies as not all Round 1 picks have to work but the structure will allow for Round 2, 3 and 4 rookie corrections to ensure cash generation before the byes.
I totally get what you're saying...but what if we need to correct to a higher priced Rookies post R1? What you're proposing is valid and sensible in an 'ideal' scenario, however, unless some cheaper Rookies demand selection today/tomorrow or we get some surprises for R1, it's looking more than likely that we all have to fork out a little more for our core Rookies group.
 
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I think what may happen is that there will be more rookies named in the forward line and only expensive rookies named in the backline.

Normally you would “follow” the rookies but the more value selections all also seem to be in the forward line and Roberton is the only main one in defence. Finding it hard to tell whether it’s better to say start a BZT/McAsey on bench or restructure to flip say Trac/BZT into Sturt/Laird. I prefer the BZT route atm and will hope BZT gets a spike score at some stage.
Good chance of a spike score - let's be honest, BZT is going to see plenty of the ball in the Essendon backline :sneaky:
 
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Definitely finding it tough to start Gawndy.
Naismith is too cheap to ignore aswell.
With the looks of limited cheap rooks I'm leaning more to a few more mid pricers this year and being more protective of early trading
 
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This thread is a good read.

I've actually taken things a step further, and am running a no-Gawn side (Naismith R2) with only 4 Mid Premiums. It's the structure that oddly looks "safest" to me with the current rookie predicament.
 

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This thread is a good read.

I've actually taken things a step further, and am running a no-Gawn side (Naismith R2) with only 4 Mid Premiums. It's the structure that oddly looks "safest" to me with the current rookie predicament.
Interesting structure! Who are your mid rookies? I presume you have a few pricier guys?

I’m worried about going too thin in the mids as Green getting potentially dropped when Ward returns will be problematic
 
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