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[Chumpion]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

I disagree. Yeo has dealt with a number of injuries that impact his legs, and most recently a groin injury which can cause strain on the hip. I would say there is a strong chance that as a result of numerous injuries his biomechanics are out, and him having had a change in that to compensate has caused flow on strain.

Two guys I played footy with had a similar thing, where they had a flow on injury to a seeming unrelated part that was caused because their body had shifted its biomechanics to compensate for the lameness from the injury, and when they ramped up training loads without sufficiently correcting that imbalance, it means the strain caused a new injury.

Who are we to know? But saying this is a surprise because it’s a different injury in a related area is pretty naive. It’s like saying he only ever bet on footy and lost all his money, so it’s a total shock that he bet on the horses and lost his money. They couldn’t possibly be related..

 

[NT.Thunder]

A fallacy is a fallacy regardless of the language used. As a proclaimed GWS supporter could well testify.

Sure, let’s just call it a fallacy if you refuse to believe it

 

[KLo30]

I disagree. Yeo has dealt with a number of injuries that impact his legs, and most recently a groin injury which can cause strain on the hip. I would say there is a strong chance that as a result of numerous injuries his biomechanics are out, and him having had a change in that to compensate has caused flow on strain.

Two guys I played footy with had a similar thing, where they had a flow on injury to a seeming unrelated part that was caused because their body had shifted its biomechanics to compensate for the lameness from the injury, and when they ramped up training loads without sufficiently correcting that imbalance, it means the strain caused a new injury.

Who are we to know? But saying this is a surprise because it’s a different injury in a related area is pretty naive. It’s like saying he only ever bet on footy and lost all his money, so it’s a total shock that he bet on the horses and lost his money. They couldn’t possibly be related..

You have provided much conjecture, and opinion, within your response. This appears to strengthen, rather than weaken, the Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

 

[Chumpion]

You have provided much conjecture, and opinion, within your response. This appears to strengthen, rather than weaken, the Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

So two real life examples, diagnosed by qualified physios that exactly support the point I am making, are opinion and conjecture? And in case you missed it, I’m not saying that is what DID happen to Yeo, I’m saying it’s not a stretch to say his past history has contributed to this new injury and as a result it’s not entirely surprising that it occurred.
If it was something in no way connected (kneed in the head in a marking contest) then you’d be right.. but I feel like you are trying so hard to show off your that you’re not giving credit to how interconnected the body is.

 

[KLo30]

So two real life examples, diagnosed by qualified physios that exactly support the point I am making, are opinion and conjecture? And in case you missed it, I’m not saying that is what DID happen to Yeo, I’m saying it’s not a stretch to say his past history has contributed to this new injury and as a result it’s not entirely surprising that it occurred.
If it was something in no way connected (kneed in the head in a marking contest) then you’d be right.. but I feel like you are trying so hard to show off your that you’re not giving credit to how interconnected the body is.

You are inferring links to injuries without evidence, therefore it is conjecture. Just because something appears to be so, doesn't mean that it is.

You have hypothesised that Yeo's recent injury is linked to his previous injuries, and used other peoples injuries to prove this hypothesis. Now backed by them being diagnosed by qualified Physios. I have no reason to believe this to not be true. In fact, I believe this to be not only relatable, but wholly true. However, no matter how many such instances are stated, this does not prove your hypothesis.

Having been a qualified Strength and Conditioning Coach in high performance programs, I'm well aware of the interconnection of the body.

WCE medical and conditioning staff would have undertaken appropriate rehabilition of Yeo's injuries through structured progression, conducting measured KPIs before moving to the next level. They are not allowing muscle imbalances and biomechanic flaws when signing off for return to full training and playing.

Apologies, if you feel that using well known idioms is "showing off".

 

[Bonaparte]

Constantly injured player in a club full of injuries gets injured. Shock.

 

[dlanod]

The Yeo trade in I just couldn’t understand. Not sure a special power was needed to predict missed weeks due injury.

I was foreseeing a couple of weeks before an injury for a small cash boost, a handy bye coverage, and then out for a proper premium given I have trades to burn over most...

But unfortunately didn't even get the couple of weeks.

 

[baz_machine]

At least he didn't get injured in the game

 

[Chumpion]

You are inferring links to injuries without evidence, therefore it is conjecture. Just because something appears to be so, doesn't mean that it is.

You have hypothesised that Yeo's recent injury is linked to his previous injuries, and used other peoples injuries to prove this hypothesis. Now backed by them being diagnosed by qualified Physios. I have no reason to believe this to not be true. In fact, I believe this to be not only relatable, but wholly true. However, no matter how many such instances are stated, this does not prove your hypothesis.

Having been a qualified Strength and Conditioning Coach in high performance programs, I'm well aware of the interconnection of the body.

WCE medical and conditioning staff would have undertaken appropriate rehabilition of Yeo's injuries through structured progression, conducting measured KPIs before moving to the next level. They are not allowing muscle imbalances and biomechanic flaws when signing off for return to full training and playing.

Apologies, if you feel that using well known idioms is "showing off".

I guess I don't understand the point of calling it out when a huge chunk of this site revolves around conjecture? Role/scoring/injury etc.. and you are also doing similar?

Anyway it's not a point that's worth the tangent it could take the thread on - I get your points and I think it's just one we shake and walk away. (or in real life, share a beer haha).

 

[KLo30]

I guess I don't understand the point of calling it out when a huge chunk of this site revolves around conjecture? Role/scoring/injury etc.. and you are also doing similar?

Anyway it's not a point that's worth the tangent it could take the thread on - I get your points and I think it's just one we shake and walk away. (or in real life, share a beer haha).

 

[Paddy Guinane]

Proctor Hoc Ergo Post Hoc

Propter

 

[eekraN]

I think those that traded in Yeo really need to own it. You can say it’s unrelated all you want in your fancy Latin speak but the numbers don’t lie individually for Yeo nor collectively for WCE this season.

I'm owning it. It was a dumb trade, I knew it at the time and still did it.

This is my excuse to move Dawson back and make to final upgrades in the midfield.

Going to leave me very very thin for trades. One or two for injuries.

 

[Zagbag]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

This is just weird trolling.

Apart from the fact that it's a totally incorrect use of the phrase (this injury is nothing to due with correlation v causation, maybe hindsight bias if anything) it doesn't really make sense. I suppose we've all seen the West Wing and picked up a few phrases. If someone said that Yeo's injury was because of the Optus turf (when in fact he's just brittle), then you could probably wheel out the Latin.

Yeo is possibly the most injury prone guy in the game. It certainly didn't take an imaginative leap to think he might get injured again. I think I said in last week's Trades thead that Yeo was a one way ticket to round 22/23 donuts. This scenario seemed a pretty likely one.

There are many hills to die on in Supercoach. Elliot Yeo's injury history is... not one those.

 

[Maccas marvels]

This is just weird trolling.

Apart from the fact that it's a totally incorrect use of the phrase (this injury is nothing to due with correlation v causation, maybe hindsight bias if anything) it doesn't really make sense. I suppose we've all seen the West Wing and picked up a few phrases. If someone said that Yeo's injury was because of the Optus turf (when in fact he's just brittle), then you could probably wheel out the Latin.

Yeo is possibly the most injury prone guy in the game. It certainly didn't take an imaginative leap to think he might get injured again. I think I said in last week's Trades thead that Yeo was a one way ticket to round 22/23 donuts. This scenario seemed a pretty likely one.

There are many hills to die on in Supercoach. Elliot Yeo's injury history is... not one those.

Let’s face it, Yeo was never ever a good selection…. (In my own opinion)
we should all have known that when he was a late out for the round 1 side…..

 

[Santoz]

Let’s face it, Yeo was never ever a good selection…. (In my own opinion)
we should all have known that when he was a late out for the round 1 side…..

Let's hope he can get his body right for Round 1, 2024 eh.

 

[Juzzo]

Propter

 

[Juzzo]

Let’s face it, Yeo was never ever a good selection…. (In my own opinion)
we should all have known that when he was a late out for the round 1 side…..

I tried my hardest to get him in last week, but couldn't make it work, dodged one!

 

[Professor]

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[Russty_]

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Uuurgh, wonderful, looks like I might have to hold off on that extra trade I was gonna do.

 

[Professor]

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