Discussion 2024: Rate My Team
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So after many many tweaks, here is where my team sits as we move into the heart of the preseason matches.
Backline
Daicos - Absolute stud. Everyone knows the reason you want him, and I’m not sure I buy the “slow start“ narrative. The reality is, I know I’ll want him and I don’t want the headache of trying to bring him in, either at a high price or at the expense of other value premiums or strong rookies. Better to save trades to capitalise on opportunities rather than spending them ahead of time!
Houston - Really like his game and think he keeps progressing. Fantastic draw with so many early AO games and think he has a really safe floor going into this season. Will still have some high ceiling games, and will almost never get the tag with Butters, Rozee and JHF doing their thing.
Sheezel - This spot has been a toss up between Sheezel and Young. I have Sheeze ahead at the moment as I think he has the best chance at being a keeper and has the higher upside. I get the love for Young but with Fyfe in the mids, Serong/Brawshaw, their young kids who will get minutes.. I’m just not sold the role will be what it was late last season. I also think it’s being overlooked how tough the early Freo draw could be - Brisbane, North, Adelaide Carlton, Port, West Coast, Bulldogs - there is a very real chance Freo are 2-5 after 7 games and who knows what changes that will bring. Lastly, I don’t think think Young is so cheap he hurts you even if he goes well. And I also don’t think his price gets unreachable. So at this stage happy to take him on despite the popularity and see how it unfolds.
Mass/Williams - Like the role potential as think both can score at a level that makes good cash quickly. Easily corrected to other rookies if needed, but see these as some strong value picks. Am considering having Daicos starting in the mids to open up more correction opportunities but will assess that after more data from the preseason games.
Rookies - Largely placeholder at this stage.
Midfield
Bont - I’d safe I’m about 7/10 on this pick. He plays a key role in my C strategy of rolling the VC but having Bont as a safe C. But $700k is a lot, and there are a number of other mids I like. Ultimately it will come down to whether I think overpaying is worth the early safety, or if the risk of everyone else getting him at better value is giving up too much.
Butters - High ceiling, super talent and has a game for SC. One of my first picked and keen to see what he can do this year. Great bye a bonus.
LDU - Admittedly he’s been in and out. Supreme ceiling but injury risk. I think you either need to start him or take him on until we see how his body holds up, so I’ll start him and hope he can hang in there, or give me a lot of great scores until he breaks down. This is one I’m about 5/10 on atm.
Serong - Talented kid, handy bye, think he puts together a strong season. If he keeps lighting up the preseason he’ll be very popular, but for good reason. There is some of the same risks as mentioned with Young, but I think Serong weathers them better.
Steele - Won’t lie, I was a sceptic. But in the preseason game he looked good, Like high ceiling, beast mode potential good. I think he’s safe at his price, and while I never want to pick some with the idea of them being an M8 at worst, I think he is someone who gives you enough till his bye and then can be traded if needed. But I liked what I saw and see a value keeper potential here.
Rookies - Placeholders but the ones I currently like. Need more data though.
Other premiums I’m looking at are Dawson, Laird, Green, and Trac.
Rucks
Gawn/Grundy - Some of the picks I‘m most confident on. Value, proven history, sole ruck role, I think both score well and unlock upside for the rest of my team. Popularity is a nice safety net too.
Forwards
Jackson - I have a bit of a soft spot for Jackson, but this spot is between him and Macrae. If I see a strong outing from Macrae before round 1 he’s in, but if not it’s Jackson. Although Rankine is also sniffing around this spot.
Flanders - No brainer for mine even with his bye. Talent, role looms good, coach love,, it’s all looking promising.
Harmes - Not at all sold. I don’t think he’s in my final team but happy to have him in until things crystalise.
Rookies - same as above.
Overall I’m liking the structure, although will drop a mid if I need to prop up another line. Get the thinking behind an all rookie forward line but I don’t love it - too much exposure if it doesn’t work out, too many premiums on other lines locking you out of value picks or bolters that were missed, and puts too much emphasis on nailing the top premiums. I also don’t like that it forces upgrades to be predominantly forwards, meaning a high likelihood of missing great picks on other lines.
I’d also note I have way more $200k range guys than I’d normally be in favour of, but that’s the direction it seems to be steering us towards, but those guys probably have the safest non sub potential. But we shall see!
Backline
Daicos - Absolute stud. Everyone knows the reason you want him, and I’m not sure I buy the “slow start“ narrative. The reality is, I know I’ll want him and I don’t want the headache of trying to bring him in, either at a high price or at the expense of other value premiums or strong rookies. Better to save trades to capitalise on opportunities rather than spending them ahead of time!
Houston - Really like his game and think he keeps progressing. Fantastic draw with so many early AO games and think he has a really safe floor going into this season. Will still have some high ceiling games, and will almost never get the tag with Butters, Rozee and JHF doing their thing.
Sheezel - This spot has been a toss up between Sheezel and Young. I have Sheeze ahead at the moment as I think he has the best chance at being a keeper and has the higher upside. I get the love for Young but with Fyfe in the mids, Serong/Brawshaw, their young kids who will get minutes.. I’m just not sold the role will be what it was late last season. I also think it’s being overlooked how tough the early Freo draw could be - Brisbane, North, Adelaide Carlton, Port, West Coast, Bulldogs - there is a very real chance Freo are 2-5 after 7 games and who knows what changes that will bring. Lastly, I don’t think think Young is so cheap he hurts you even if he goes well. And I also don’t think his price gets unreachable. So at this stage happy to take him on despite the popularity and see how it unfolds.
Mass/Williams - Like the role potential as think both can score at a level that makes good cash quickly. Easily corrected to other rookies if needed, but see these as some strong value picks. Am considering having Daicos starting in the mids to open up more correction opportunities but will assess that after more data from the preseason games.
Rookies - Largely placeholder at this stage.
Midfield
Bont - I’d safe I’m about 7/10 on this pick. He plays a key role in my C strategy of rolling the VC but having Bont as a safe C. But $700k is a lot, and there are a number of other mids I like. Ultimately it will come down to whether I think overpaying is worth the early safety, or if the risk of everyone else getting him at better value is giving up too much.
Butters - High ceiling, super talent and has a game for SC. One of my first picked and keen to see what he can do this year. Great bye a bonus.
LDU - Admittedly he’s been in and out. Supreme ceiling but injury risk. I think you either need to start him or take him on until we see how his body holds up, so I’ll start him and hope he can hang in there, or give me a lot of great scores until he breaks down. This is one I’m about 5/10 on atm.
Serong - Talented kid, handy bye, think he puts together a strong season. If he keeps lighting up the preseason he’ll be very popular, but for good reason. There is some of the same risks as mentioned with Young, but I think Serong weathers them better.
Steele - Won’t lie, I was a sceptic. But in the preseason game he looked good, Like high ceiling, beast mode potential good. I think he’s safe at his price, and while I never want to pick some with the idea of them being an M8 at worst, I think he is someone who gives you enough till his bye and then can be traded if needed. But I liked what I saw and see a value keeper potential here.
Rookies - Placeholders but the ones I currently like. Need more data though.
Other premiums I’m looking at are Dawson, Laird, Green, and Trac.
Rucks
Gawn/Grundy - Some of the picks I‘m most confident on. Value, proven history, sole ruck role, I think both score well and unlock upside for the rest of my team. Popularity is a nice safety net too.
Forwards
Jackson - I have a bit of a soft spot for Jackson, but this spot is between him and Macrae. If I see a strong outing from Macrae before round 1 he’s in, but if not it’s Jackson. Although Rankine is also sniffing around this spot.
Flanders - No brainer for mine even with his bye. Talent, role looms good, coach love,, it’s all looking promising.
Harmes - Not at all sold. I don’t think he’s in my final team but happy to have him in until things crystalise.
Rookies - same as above.
Overall I’m liking the structure, although will drop a mid if I need to prop up another line. Get the thinking behind an all rookie forward line but I don’t love it - too much exposure if it doesn’t work out, too many premiums on other lines locking you out of value picks or bolters that were missed, and puts too much emphasis on nailing the top premiums. I also don’t like that it forces upgrades to be predominantly forwards, meaning a high likelihood of missing great picks on other lines.
I’d also note I have way more $200k range guys than I’d normally be in favour of, but that’s the direction it seems to be steering us towards, but those guys probably have the safest non sub potential. But we shall see!
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I’ve come to my senses and have done a full 360 to the team I had after the saints & hawks played their respective practice matches.
Houston doesn’t appear to be as much of a POD on here as he is for the rest of the comp but either way, he’s been on my watch list all preseason after a massive end to last season.
Steele’s another one who was in my very first mock team back when SuperCoach opened and he looked to be the Steele of old in last weeks performance.
This structure just feels right, especially because it allows me to select the rookies I want without having to worry about the coin I’ve got left in the bank.
Houston doesn’t appear to be as much of a POD on here as he is for the rest of the comp but either way, he’s been on my watch list all preseason after a massive end to last season.
Steele’s another one who was in my very first mock team back when SuperCoach opened and he looked to be the Steele of old in last weeks performance.
This structure just feels right, especially because it allows me to select the rookies I want without having to worry about the coin I’ve got left in the bank.
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Here's where I'm at. 12k ITB
I feel as though I might be a little too clever for my own good but there are 12 premos there counting Adams and that, along with the 4 MPs should stand me in good stead through the opening couple of byes.
Daicos and Adams can go to Touk/Green/Steele/Flanders/Stewart/Hinge as the byes open up in order to keep that premo count nice and high in rounds 5 and 6. Also gives me a chance to look better at the back rookies and see who might be fieldable.
Not sure about the ruck byes. Depends on how these guys open up, as well as what happens with the 400-500k guys. I think English would be a good pickup if he's dropped 50k by then too but we'll see. I'll need to find cash. Then again, maybe my season will already be over by that stage and I'll be making decisions purely on who I've got in the leagues that week.
If I can get 4 MPs to fire I'll do pretty well. I figure there's up to 8 to choose from so by getting half of them I can correct as necessary. Plenty of money tied up in rookies to downgrade prior to round 1 so the 12k ITB, while I don't like it, probably isn't so bad. Only the 1 * 117k and 2 * 123k rookies.
I feel as though I might be a little too clever for my own good but there are 12 premos there counting Adams and that, along with the 4 MPs should stand me in good stead through the opening couple of byes.
Daicos and Adams can go to Touk/Green/Steele/Flanders/Stewart/Hinge as the byes open up in order to keep that premo count nice and high in rounds 5 and 6. Also gives me a chance to look better at the back rookies and see who might be fieldable.
Not sure about the ruck byes. Depends on how these guys open up, as well as what happens with the 400-500k guys. I think English would be a good pickup if he's dropped 50k by then too but we'll see. I'll need to find cash. Then again, maybe my season will already be over by that stage and I'll be making decisions purely on who I've got in the leagues that week.
If I can get 4 MPs to fire I'll do pretty well. I figure there's up to 8 to choose from so by getting half of them I can correct as necessary. Plenty of money tied up in rookies to downgrade prior to round 1 so the 12k ITB, while I don't like it, probably isn't so bad. Only the 1 * 117k and 2 * 123k rookies.
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This is my pre real practice matches and R0 team, $3,500 left in the bank.
Changes since I last posted here 2 weeks ago;
Defenders: Sicily, Curtin, Reid -> Houston, Sheezel, Yeo
Have pumped some more money into this line as I don't have much confidence in the sub $200k options to score well enough. Sicily has enough question marks with Amon taking some of the ball and now with Blanck out as well. Houston with a good run of games early at AO and Sheezel keeping the half back role brings them in. Yeo fully fit and playing midfield, what could go wrong?!
Midfielders: Bont, Laird, Parish, Windsor, Hall -> Butters, Serong, Martin, Hustwaite, Wehr
Going for the new age mids with all my 4 $600k+ mids under 24 years of age. Thinking they all have room to grow and take their games to another level. Martin at M5 at the moment as think he may become a keeper down back although looking at Crouch, Wines and Steele for this position. Rookies shuffling around.
Rucks: Darcy -> Grundy
Still really want to pick Darcy here but Grundy may be too good to pass on at that value. May still pick Darcy ahead of Gawn if I'm feeling a bit crazy but obviously R0 will help with this decision.
Forwards: Daniel, Jordon, FMacrae, Mannagh -> Powell, Lazarro, Sexton, Darcy
Going true mid-priced madness here. Will see if Powell's mid role sticks this week otherwise could easily go with Cam Mackenzie and run Fyfe at F1 or find the funds for Fisher. Pretty cool on all the "premiums" on this line so happy to wait on all of them. Rankine and Adams the two that interest if I do end up picking one.
One thing that irks me about this team is essentially picking 6 "keepers" on the defender line with Martin to swing back. Plan would be for Yeo to become Daicos at some point but still means no Sicily or Sinclair or any other value options.
Changes since I last posted here 2 weeks ago;
Defenders: Sicily, Curtin, Reid -> Houston, Sheezel, Yeo
Have pumped some more money into this line as I don't have much confidence in the sub $200k options to score well enough. Sicily has enough question marks with Amon taking some of the ball and now with Blanck out as well. Houston with a good run of games early at AO and Sheezel keeping the half back role brings them in. Yeo fully fit and playing midfield, what could go wrong?!
Midfielders: Bont, Laird, Parish, Windsor, Hall -> Butters, Serong, Martin, Hustwaite, Wehr
Going for the new age mids with all my 4 $600k+ mids under 24 years of age. Thinking they all have room to grow and take their games to another level. Martin at M5 at the moment as think he may become a keeper down back although looking at Crouch, Wines and Steele for this position. Rookies shuffling around.
Rucks: Darcy -> Grundy
Still really want to pick Darcy here but Grundy may be too good to pass on at that value. May still pick Darcy ahead of Gawn if I'm feeling a bit crazy but obviously R0 will help with this decision.
Forwards: Daniel, Jordon, FMacrae, Mannagh -> Powell, Lazarro, Sexton, Darcy
Going true mid-priced madness here. Will see if Powell's mid role sticks this week otherwise could easily go with Cam Mackenzie and run Fyfe at F1 or find the funds for Fisher. Pretty cool on all the "premiums" on this line so happy to wait on all of them. Rankine and Adams the two that interest if I do end up picking one.
One thing that irks me about this team is essentially picking 6 "keepers" on the defender line with Martin to swing back. Plan would be for Yeo to become Daicos at some point but still means no Sicily or Sinclair or any other value options.
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where i am at post match sims
but before preseaon games
i dont like it but im not sure what to change
i have $45k ITB
thinking to get more cash i may trade Gawn or Daicos type...
would love you guys to try and pick this apart, i haven't seen any games this is basically all the info i have scraped together
You've only got the 9 premiums in there, unless you think Fisher/Coleman/Holmes will be in the top of their respective lines. I don't see it myself - maybe Coleman but I dunno..... He didn't have Rich playing with him for large stretches of last year and didn't go crazy on the scoring. And I don't know what happened to him at HT in the grand final but he got like 2 stats or something after half time. Great first half though.
So I'm not sure that trading down Daicos and Gawn is in your best interests now. You might look elsewhere first
Assuming 9 keepers, if you take a position as averaging 2.5 trades to upgrade, you're looking at 13 * 2.5 = 33.5 trades just to complete your squad. Considering you will probably need to trade all 6 of your forwards, 5 gun mids and maybe 2 defenders, that all sounds about right.
Now you do already have a bunch of value tied up in all those mid pricers and that helps. They should hopefully average 1 down one up to bring in the 550k+ players you want though it would likely be a little more. Now you've got 8 of them, counting Coleman, Homes and Fisher so that's 16 trades plus 12.5 for the remaining 5 positions to just complete your team. This assumes you were able to get 13 rookies to make you your 150k each. So yeah... 28.5 trades to complete on a good day.
Add 5 or so for injuries and a bit more for nobody ever getting the perfect run of rookies. Don't forget corrective trades either. 2 or 3 for rookies and a few more because that many MPs is asking for a few fails. You might be able to hit finals with a spare trade or two but having a supersub might be a stretch.
So I'm not sure that trading down Daicos and Gawn is in your best interests now. You might look elsewhere first
Assuming 9 keepers, if you take a position as averaging 2.5 trades to upgrade, you're looking at 13 * 2.5 = 33.5 trades just to complete your squad. Considering you will probably need to trade all 6 of your forwards, 5 gun mids and maybe 2 defenders, that all sounds about right.
Now you do already have a bunch of value tied up in all those mid pricers and that helps. They should hopefully average 1 down one up to bring in the 550k+ players you want though it would likely be a little more. Now you've got 8 of them, counting Coleman, Homes and Fisher so that's 16 trades plus 12.5 for the remaining 5 positions to just complete your team. This assumes you were able to get 13 rookies to make you your 150k each. So yeah... 28.5 trades to complete on a good day.
Add 5 or so for injuries and a bit more for nobody ever getting the perfect run of rookies. Don't forget corrective trades either. 2 or 3 for rookies and a few more because that many MPs is asking for a few fails. You might be able to hit finals with a spare trade or two but having a supersub might be a stretch.
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