Opinion 2024 AFL SuperCoach Planning Thread

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When in doubt, just copy someone else's decent looking team ;)
Or the Vanilla Team from the Post above. ;)

I'm not surprised that many SuperCoaches have a vanilla side. With so much info now available, pointing out the positives and negatives of each player, then the obvious players selections are the ones that have more positives than negatives.

Playing PODs can win you the Comp, but it can also end your season early.
 

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We could have a side SCS competition where we all start with the vanilla side and see who finishes the highest, have to open another account obviously, but may be a bit of fun?
This is a good idea. We actually used to do this, and it was quite a fun competition!

We did it in the AFL Fantasy platform, to avoid the issue of having two SC sides.

Unfortunately that created the issue of having to deal with the horrific AFL Fantasy platform!

I really think that SC should allow coaches to have more than one side … if there’s one easy way to get more engagement, I would have thought that’s it.

They could simply make coaches nominate one “main” side before the first lockout, and that’s the only one eligible for prizes, or just have the first registered side as the only one eligible.
 
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This is a good idea. We actually used to do this, and it was quite a fun competition!

We did it in the AFL Fantasy platform, to avoid the issue of having two SC sides.

Unfortunately that created the issue of having to deal with the horrific AFL Fantasy platform!

I really think that SC should allow coaches to have more than one side … if there’s one easy way to get more engagement, I would have thought that’s it.

They could simply make coaches nominate one “main” side before the first lockout, and that’s the only one eligible for prizes, or just have the first registered side as the only one eligible.
Agree! For reference, I'm playing Yahoo Fantasy Basketball this year and am managing two teams. Two is the sweet spot IMO, and it's great being a neutral and having a hand in so many baskets when both of your teams are differ slightly (or a lot) instead of just having one that might be smashed to smithereens by injuries, etc.
 
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This is a good idea. We actually used to do this, and it was quite a fun competition!

We did it in the AFL Fantasy platform, to avoid the issue of having two SC sides.

Unfortunately that created the issue of having to deal with the horrific AFL Fantasy platform!

I really think that SC should allow coaches to have more than one side … if there’s one easy way to get more engagement, I would have thought that’s it.

They could simply make coaches nominate one “main” side before the first lockout, and that’s the only one eligible for prizes, or just have the first registered side as the only one eligible.
This would be a good addition, to allow multiple teams and not just have to say a "partner" is running a second team as many people do.

...Maybe I can do similar and get away with saying my dog is running a team. Despite the fact he can't speak, I can read his mind after all, I can always tell when he wants food for example (simple - the answer to that is always).
 
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This is a good idea. We actually used to do this, and it was quite a fun competition!

We did it in the AFL Fantasy platform, to avoid the issue of having two SC sides.

Unfortunately that created the issue of having to deal with the horrific AFL Fantasy platform!

I really think that SC should allow coaches to have more than one side … if there’s one easy way to get more engagement, I would have thought that’s it.

They could simply make coaches nominate one “main” side before the first lockout, and that’s the only one eligible for prizes, or just have the first registered side as the only one eligible.
Would be great to have a couple of entries. Never really understood not allowing multiple entries, it's a great way to inflate your advertising numbers. Definitely needs a limit or it becomes like the daily fantasy comps but 2-3 would be a nice sweetspot.

This would be a good addition, to allow multiple teams and not just have to say a "partner" is running a second team as many people do.

...Maybe I can do similar and get away with saying my dog is running a team. Despite the fact he can't speak, I can read his mind after all, I can always tell when he wants food for example (simple - the answer to that is always).
I don't know what you're talking about, my dad is totally a SC nut ;)
 
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Like many, most of my final tinkering will be once teams are out so keen to just lock down tonight’s options so I can digest teams and finish my team tomorrow.
Gibcus and Williams are locked in, and now just deciding on Short. Leaning towards passing and I think he’s gettable at a similar price post bye, and prefer Houston and Ryan over him.
 
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You can use the same underpricing argument on any midpricer you like also. Steele is actually a great example, a lot of people started him last year because he was 10 points underpriced and he went backwards by 15!

If we could reliably find all the underpriced guys, there'd be no point playing the game! End of the day, players are only underpriced for one of two reasons. 1) They've never done it before 2) something happened last year that caused them to stop doing it. We're either projecting something that hasn't happened or explaining away something that did as being an anomaly and not a regularity.

Take Heeney, he's 10-15 points underpriced on seasons he's healthy (and/or gets so injured he can't play through it) but he's gotten injured most years, so at season's end it would not be a surprise to me if he averaged 80 or 110 but there's no way I'd bet my house on him averaging 100 because the injury bet is definitely reasonable.

All I'm saying is the more we take, the more likely we get one wrong. I feel really safe with Grundy and yet he's consistently reduced his average for 5 straight seasons now. Gawn is the same only it's 3 seasons and if his 72 had counted on the weekend I'd probably be ready to jump in front of a bus. There are very good reasons to explain away both of their sustained declines but nothing is guaranteed.

To be fair, all of this also applies to other picks, I didn't think Laird and Touk would both fall of a cliff last year and be two of the worst starting mids you could pick, I thought they were nice safe picks and they ruined my season. This year I can't even see the safe picks in the midfield to be wrong about which makes it even harder to justify not chasing value but I think people should definitely be careful with taking too many round 0 guys, chances that you nail 6 or 7 of them is pretty low (I say this as someone who currently 7 of them in his team!).

Even your Daicos reasoning is flawed. If he doesn't improve by 7-10 more than whoever someone takes in place of him, your pick is behind on purely fair value outcomes. If you're not very bullish on Daicos being a 125+ type scorer, you shouldn't be starting him (I am, so I am!). If Daicos scores 117 through his bye, that's an effective 108 using a 65 replacement score. Luke Ryan is 40k cheaper to give that outcome. Daicos is somewhat unique given his 70% ownership does blue lines but that also means he's got by far the best ROI if you don't start him and are right (double edged sword alert).

I'd definitely suggest that everyone does work out the replacement value scoring based on your projection for the player you're picking, it's pretty eye opening just how hard those replacement scores do hit.
All good points but I have to note that the bye cost for a 115 point player is only 5ppg. He is missing 115 points across the 23 non bye rounds another player gets to play

Also, the theory brings up some interesting questions. Tom Green (622k off a 111 average) misses 4 or 5 games a year, costing him 20-25 ppg

Jack Crisp (498k off an 89 average) doesn't.

I know there's a PIT 60-75 you could apply to this but on raw points per season, Crispy rates pretty well against Green in raw points for a bunch less cash

Of course we'd all still pick Green over Crisp due to the respective career trajectories at this point but this example suggests that if we are avoiding players just because of the one bye they are having, then we should avoid even the moderately injury prone even more so because they tend to miss multiple weeks.

Interestingly, Petracca (667k off a 120 average) hasn't missed a game in 5 years. Green is averaging about 4 per year over the last 3 so let's go with that again. 20ppg from missed games on Green makes him overpriced compared to Petracca if they repeat last year's performance. Now Trac was about 5ppg over his 4 year average since breaking out and is priced 8ppg more. Assuming Trac regresses to his recent mean, Green would need a 7ppg boost in order to break even with Trac as a starting mid.
 
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I have gibcus, Williams, carroll and hewett in my side atm. The could be some 6.30 panic! (Gibcus, Carroll and Hewett are quite new to my side)
I like the Hewett pick, he is a possible correction for me from a Wines/Crouch failure after his bye.
Should know by then whether or not Walsh is likely for surgery.
 
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So I am pretty settled on my team bar one position. M2.

Currently have Laird.

I had decided not to have any Adelaide midfielders. I have also swapped him with Dawson 7865 times, but think of the two Dawson is likely to be moved around more. I also wonder if Dawson has a ceiling. While he can be a beautiful kick, I think he struggles with it while playing the midfield role, and results in too many clangers. I can afford anyone below Laird obviously, but don't want Tom Green due to 2 byes (and we have missed one good score already), worried about LDU, Merrett almost always is available at the byes for cheaper, and not convinced at all on the two Fremantle boys.

Happy to hear thoughts on this. Laird definitely has the runs on the board, and proved he could still score well with Crouch in the team last year. Am I overthinking it??

For reference I also have Bont, Libba, and Butters.
 
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So I am pretty settled on my team bar one position. M2.

Currently have Laird.

I had decided not to have any Adelaide midfielders. I have also swapped him with Dawson 7865 times, but think of the two Dawson is likely to be moved around more. I also wonder if Dawson has a ceiling. While he can be a beautiful kick, I think he struggles with it while playing the midfield role, and results in too many clangers. I can afford anyone below Laird obviously, but don't want Tom Green due to 2 byes (and we have missed one good score already), worried about LDU, Merrett almost always is available at the byes for cheaper, and not convinced at all on the two Fremantle boys.

Happy to hear thoughts on this. Laird definitely has the runs on the board, and proved he could still score well with Crouch in the team last year. Am I overthinking it??

For reference I also have Bont, Libba, and Butters.
Trade out Libba and take both.
 
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History says if you get 2 hits out of 4 you've done well. The good thing is, the fails are easy corrections!
Yeah, originally I had 2 and figured it would be pretty easy for both to fail.
I figured if I go with 4 there's a better chance I'll nail one or two.
If not, can easily restructure in to a premo and some missed rookies, with a boost.
 
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R5-6 Rookies you can sell, and will want to because they'll have had an extra price change, hopefully a rise. Don't count them. It's best 18 in R3 where you'll be selecting from 21 as F6 will be a donut. This is fine, albeit not what I'm doing.

Jackson doesn't really cover Gawn/Grundy your F7 does. As that's the score that wouldn't otherwise be there if Jackson was say Macrae (assming Macrae is selected. What in the world? Bevo?...off topic. Heading to rant thread.).

I expect to cover Gawn, Grundy and Heeney at their bye. Some other MPs/Rookies allowing looping of rookies, like Zwilliams/Lyons/Roberts.
Best 18 scores, so your MID or DEF also could.
 
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So I am pretty settled on my team bar one position. M2.

Currently have Laird.

I had decided not to have any Adelaide midfielders. I have also swapped him with Dawson 7865 times, but think of the two Dawson is likely to be moved around more. I also wonder if Dawson has a ceiling. While he can be a beautiful kick, I think he struggles with it while playing the midfield role, and results in too many clangers. I can afford anyone below Laird obviously, but don't want Tom Green due to 2 byes (and we have missed one good score already), worried about LDU, Merrett almost always is available at the byes for cheaper, and not convinced at all on the two Fremantle boys.

Happy to hear thoughts on this. Laird definitely has the runs on the board, and proved he could still score well with Crouch in the team last year. Am I overthinking it??

For reference I also have Bont, Libba, and Butters.
Not trying to talk you out of him but Laird does usually start the season slowly. Think his pre-bye averages are usually quite a bit lower than post-bye. I love Laird but I think I'm gonna pass on any Adelaide mids until I see how the new mid rotations affect them. With Laird + Libba + Bont you also have 3 mids from the same R15 bye, and I assume you'll also want Dawson at some point too, so something to consider.
 
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