Discussion BBL|14 Teams & In Game Discussion: GW 7 starts FRI 10th JAN 6:15pm AEST [HOB v SYT]

[nmh94]

Zero chance Khawaja gets dropped, they’ve struggled to find one opener, let alone a second. Marsh needs to go, the guy has had one good stretch in his entire mediocre career. He’s the Australian YJB.

Agreed with this. Khawaja did get a 50 in the first innings - he won't be dropped for Sydney. Marsh needs to go, and it should be Webster replacing him.

 

[Drew]

815 with 3 to come tonight, McSweeney (C), Renshaw and Dwarshuis.

Looking alright for a decent score.

 

[Darkie]

Quick look at the leading run scorers this year, batting in the top 3.

Hunt - 537 runs @ 45
Patterson - 537 runs @ 105
Konstas - 437 runs @ 59
Harris - 445 runs @ 49
Weatherald - 424 runs @ 42
Ward - 388 runs @ 78
Goodwin - 379 runs @ 42
McSweeney - 291 runs @ 97

That casts things in a bit of a different light for Hunt … he’s taken c. 12 dismissals to get to 500 runs, and Patterson has done it in 5.

Hard to go past Patterson based on that, especially given he hasn’t failed at Test level when given the chance (114* and 30 in his only two innings).

 

[Herbie66]

Konstas U19 WC captain Hugh Weibgen LRP for T Sangha

https://www.sydneythunder.com.au/ne...er-squad-for-home-clash-against-the-renegades

 

[Herbie66]

Quick look at the leading run scorers this year, batting in the top 3.

Hunt - 537 runs @ 45
Patterson - 537 runs @ 105
Konstas - 437 runs @ 59
Harris - 445 runs @ 49
Weatherald - 424 runs @ 42
Ward - 388 runs @ 78
Goodwin - 379 runs @ 42
McSweeney - 291 runs @ 97

Keep forgetting about Patterson

 

[Ben's Beasts]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1873247463244779878

View: https://twitter.com/ThunderBBL/status/1873247463244779878

 

[mike89]

Radar for tonight: http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR663.loop.shtml

Looks pretty dodgy from the southwest but hopefully that'll pass by. Even if it hits we should get some of a game you'd think.

 

[Herbie66]

Warner baiting Maxwell

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1DKitezb4y/

 

[nateful]

Warner baiting Maxwell

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1DKitezb4y/

not sure if luck or masterstroke. But you'd have to think putting on the part timer when he came on was intentional

 

[Herbie66]

Renegades Unchanged Squad

https://www.melbournerenegades.com.au/news/4191560

 

[Herbie66]

not sure if luck or masterstroke. But you'd have to think putting on the part timer when he came on was intentional

Bait the ego

Tactically he has always been held in the highest order , extremely highly rated in the IPL when he has captained teams

 

[Carear]

Radar for tonight: http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR663.loop.shtml

Looks pretty dodgy from the southwest but hopefully that'll pass by. Even if it hits we should get some of a game you'd think.

hopefully no game, save me from falling further behind the pack

 

[Herbie66]

hopefully no game, save me from falling further behind the pack

🤔

You don't own any Heat or Sixers players ?

Depending on ownership you may have an advantage if they score well

 

[nateful]

Bait the ego

Tactically he has always been held in the highest order , extremely highly rated in the IPL when he has captained teams

mhmm really? I've not always paid attention to the captaincy decisions made in t20. My perception was always that there is very little in it, as in most situations, everyone tends to do the same thing with the players they have outside the circle etc. But I think as a viewer, you get very limited knowledge of these decisions as you can't see the whole field. Only on the rare occasion when I see teams need to squeeze but they play it a little too safe and let the singles go instead of trying to create pressure.

 

[Carear]

🤔

You don't own any Heat or Sixers players ?

Depending on ownership you may have an advantage if they score well

Renshaw, Johnson, Edwards and dhwarsius, but not sure how well any would score to be honest

 

[Darkie]

mhmm really? I've not always paid attention to the captaincy decisions made in t20. My perception was always that there is very little in it, as in most situations, everyone tends to do the same thing with the players they have outside the circle etc. But I think as a viewer, you get very limited knowledge of these decisions as you can't see the whole field. Only on the rare occasion when I see teams need to squeeze but they play it a little too safe and let the singles go instead of trying to create pressure.

I would think that captaining a T20 team at the highest level is more active and harder than captaining a Test team.

 

[Herbie66]

mhmm really? I've not always paid attention to the captaincy decisions made in t20. My perception was always that there is very little in it, as in most situations, everyone tends to do the same thing with the players they have outside the circle etc. But I think as a viewer, you get very limited knowledge of these decisions as you can't see the whole field. Only on the rare occasion when I see teams need to squeeze but they play it a little too safe and let the singles go instead of trying to create pressure.

Unfortunately few of the commentators go into the tactical side of games and explain it , Ponting is awesome.

I actually like Hodge.

Just from watching I would have Henriques , Turner & Warner ahead of most.

Always thought Turner would have made a excellent Australian T20I captain.

I guess a lot of match ups , who bowls which overs and when is set out in pre game meetings and then the good captain's adjust to game circumstance/situation.

Even things like where the pitch is placed , shorter side v bigger side , wind direction etc need to come into it

 

[Herbie66]

Renshaw, Johnson, Edwards and dhwarsius, but not sure how well any would score to be honest

Johnson gets another 2-4fa you will be laughing , no idea of his ownership numbers.

 

[nateful]

Unfortunately few of the commentators go into the tactical side of games and explain it , Ponting is awesome.

I actually like Hodge.

Just from watching I would have Henriques , Turner & Warner ahead of most.

Always thought Turner would have made a excellent Australian T20I captain.

I guess a lot of match ups , who bowls which overs and when is set out in pre game meetings and then the good captain's adjust to game circumstance/situation.

Even things like where the pitch is placed , shorter side v bigger side , wind direction etc need to come into it

no I completely agree with there being a tone of factors to consider. It's just more of figuring out which outcomes are a direct cause of the captaincy decisions made. I'd also like to know which factors they prioritise over others.

On a different note, I've heard players/coaches on the mic talk about letting the batsman make the decision as to when to take the surge or what ball to bowl and I think these are key differences with captains, as what I've heard is some captains give bowlers really clear plans to the bowlers, while others are happy to give more autonomy to the bowlers. Like last night, Haddin had mentioned multiple times that Billings was trying to enforce how the bowlers should be bowling too often. I think Warner also said he'd let Billings control the field placements. I think these are interesting points. Where do you guys sit with these things?

 

[Dravid]

no I completely agree with there being a tone of factors to consider. It's just more of figuring out which outcomes are a direct cause of the captaincy decisions made. I'd also like to know which factors they prioritise over others.

On a different note, I've heard players/coaches on the mic talk about letting the batsman make the decision as to when to take the surge or what ball to bowl and I think these are key differences with captains, as what I've heard is some captains give bowlers really clear plans to the bowlers, while others are happy to give more autonomy to the bowlers. Like last night, Haddin had mentioned multiple times that Billings was trying to enforce how the bowlers should be bowling too often. I think Warner also said he'd let Billings control the field placements. I think these are interesting points. Where do you guys sit with these things?

I think Warner was saying Billings was responsible for the angles, more so then the field placings. Although Billings was trying to push the fielder back a couple of steps to get the angle right, where Warner was happy to be more aggressive and cut the single off (at least that's how I took it).

It did seem he was a little aggressively suggesting some of the bowlers follow the bowling plans agreed on, whereas Warner was happy for them to try something different on occasion.

But it is an interesting discussion... How much autonomy does the bowler get? I imagine a lot of it depends on experience, but I imagine good captains are also very clear on how much autonomy the bowler gets.