Strategy BBL|14 Round 9: Trades/XvY, strategy & other related news and VC/C poll
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I was just having a look at how the new flex has worked for my team across the first 8 rounds. I couldn’t look at who was in that position because that wasn’t necessarily my ‘extra’ player that I wouldn’t have fielded if we didn’t have it.
My 12th (dropped) score each round was 36, 7, 4, 19, 4, 3, 4 & 8. That was a total of just 85 points at an average of 10.6.
I thought that I would compare that to my lowest score in my best XI, which was 42, 30, 15, 23, 4, 4, 5 & 13. That was a total of 136 points at an average of 17.0.
I would be interested in what impact the flex had for other coaches? For me, getting to drop off 85 points doesn’t feel like a game changer since my lowest take was 136 points. Maybe it was a lot of hot air about nothing? However it may have helped coaches who couldn’t field 12 players, but even then I would have only gained a maximum of 85 points on them if it didn’t drop out.
My 12th (dropped) score each round was 36, 7, 4, 19, 4, 3, 4 & 8. That was a total of just 85 points at an average of 10.6.
I thought that I would compare that to my lowest score in my best XI, which was 42, 30, 15, 23, 4, 4, 5 & 13. That was a total of 136 points at an average of 17.0.
I would be interested in what impact the flex had for other coaches? For me, getting to drop off 85 points doesn’t feel like a game changer since my lowest take was 136 points. Maybe it was a lot of hot air about nothing? However it may have helped coaches who couldn’t field 12 players, but even then I would have only gained a maximum of 85 points on them if it didn’t drop out.
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I don't think that is the right way to evaluate the impact of the flex because it assumes that the lowest scoring player is the player you would not have had on field. I would think that this would rarely be the case. I am not sure you can actually say with any accuracy which of your 12 players you would not have had on field if you were only fielding 11 but if you could I would think that player will have provided decent scores just as often as they didn't.
The comparison is not between the 2 lowest scores but the score of that 12th player and the lowest score of the other 11.
The comparison is not between the 2 lowest scores but the score of that 12th player and the lowest score of the other 11.
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I am not sure what the right way is because as I said, we can’t look at the flex position because that isn’t necessarily our 12th player. At the end of the day our lowest score drops off, and for me that wasn’t much. I imagine that better teams had a higher amount of points drop off, so it is more of a levelling out between stronger and weaker teams. However, the points benefit seems so low, I do wonder about its value on points scoring. It is more a help for team set up and player flexibility over points advantage.
I will say that it’s been fun to play with and certainly got me out of a couple of binds when it came to switching players around. In fact, I’ll go as far to say it’s stopped me from potentially going a lot worse during the season.
Judging by the way a lot of users have been talking about how they’ve used it, I get the feeling people haven’t used it optimally yet.
Also, having binge read a lot of the comments on how some AFL SC’ers are going to use it for a 3rd scoring ruckman, I don’t think that’s going to be optimal either. Feels like the flex will be very important for helping carrying that injured rookie or midpricer you’re waiting to peak in price but need that extra 1-2 weeks of flexibility.
Given the frenetic nature of BBL, the effect is definitely less noticeable. We’ll see people use it very well during the winter and some get in an absolute hole whilst trying to maximise their point scoring as mounting injuries take their toll.
Time will tell of course, but I see big potential for the flex during a longer season rather than bbl.
Judging by the way a lot of users have been talking about how they’ve used it, I get the feeling people haven’t used it optimally yet.
Also, having binge read a lot of the comments on how some AFL SC’ers are going to use it for a 3rd scoring ruckman, I don’t think that’s going to be optimal either. Feels like the flex will be very important for helping carrying that injured rookie or midpricer you’re waiting to peak in price but need that extra 1-2 weeks of flexibility.
Given the frenetic nature of BBL, the effect is definitely less noticeable. We’ll see people use it very well during the winter and some get in an absolute hole whilst trying to maximise their point scoring as mounting injuries take their toll.
Time will tell of course, but I see big potential for the flex during a longer season rather than bbl.
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I am not sure if I am missing your point however you are certainly missing mine. I am not saying the "flex" position is your 12th selected player if that is what you mean. I agree the flex position will likely never be the 12th fielded player. Furthermore, inherently the lowest score of the 12 "won't be much" but the question is what score came on field to replace that lowest score and that will rarely be the 11th highest score (which is the comparison you make).
To illustrate my point let's use your round 1 team.
Fielded DGR - Stoinis, Curran, Harper, Sutherland, JFM, Webster, McKenzie, Zampa
Fielded SGRs - Richardson, Connolly, Edwards, Overton
Lets assume that if the flex position didn't exist then you would have fielded 11 of these 12 players. Which of those players is not on field? I doubt it would have been one of your DGRs so it would have been 1 of your SGRs. Those players scored between 75 and 103. Zampa was the actual lowest score with 36 points. That means the ability to put a 12th player on field improved your score between 67 points (103-36) and 39 points (75-39) that round.
Your round 2 team probably illustrates the point even better.
Fielded DGR - Overton, Short, Bazley, Scott, Connolly, Turner, Richardson, Thornton
Fielded SGRs - Sutherland, Harper, Curran, Edwards
Richardson was your dropped score on 7 and he would have absolutely been in your starting 11 in a DGR. Your 4 SGRs scored between 30 and 65 so assuming you benched one of those it means your scored improve by between 58 points (65-7) and 23 points (30 - 7) due to the flex position.
To illustrate my point let's use your round 1 team.
Fielded DGR - Stoinis, Curran, Harper, Sutherland, JFM, Webster, McKenzie, Zampa
Fielded SGRs - Richardson, Connolly, Edwards, Overton
Lets assume that if the flex position didn't exist then you would have fielded 11 of these 12 players. Which of those players is not on field? I doubt it would have been one of your DGRs so it would have been 1 of your SGRs. Those players scored between 75 and 103. Zampa was the actual lowest score with 36 points. That means the ability to put a 12th player on field improved your score between 67 points (103-36) and 39 points (75-39) that round.
Your round 2 team probably illustrates the point even better.
Fielded DGR - Overton, Short, Bazley, Scott, Connolly, Turner, Richardson, Thornton
Fielded SGRs - Sutherland, Harper, Curran, Edwards
Richardson was your dropped score on 7 and he would have absolutely been in your starting 11 in a DGR. Your 4 SGRs scored between 30 and 65 so assuming you benched one of those it means your scored improve by between 58 points (65-7) and 23 points (30 - 7) due to the flex position.
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https://www.cricket.com.au/news/420...s-mitch-owen-riley-meredith-hobart-hurricanes
Says clubs have until tonight to lock in up to 10 players
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/420...s-mitch-owen-riley-meredith-hobart-hurricanes
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It is hard to know because a squad of 16 with 11 scoring players would have been set up differently to a squad of 17 players when planning rounds. I may have had an extra DGR player or I may have had an extra SGR player in any given round. With the flex option, all it does is enable us to drop our lowest score. For my team that is 85 points difference across 8 rounds between having a score drop off compared to not having a score drop off. Logic says that we all get improvement from 12 players dropping a lowest score compared to the old 11 player system.
I am very much a simpleton, so very likely that I am not understanding your point, but there are nicer ways to articulate that. However from my view, 85 coming off my score is very low no matter how much the average score changed due to us being able to select an extra on field player this year. So whilst I feel that the flex helps improve team flexibility, it does not change things much from a scoring point of view.
I am very much a simpleton, so very likely that I am not understanding your point, but there are nicer ways to articulate that. However from my view, 85 coming off my score is very low no matter how much the average score changed due to us being able to select an extra on field player this year. So whilst I feel that the flex helps improve team flexibility, it does not change things much from a scoring point of view.
I think the challenge with deep diving the Flex position is that one of the biggest impacts would be on decision making which is so much harder to quantify. Carrying a risky player, being able to push trades later, shift a SPP to allow an extra in that position. There are certainly times I wouldn’t have selected a particular player without that flexibility!
I don't think the flex/drop lowest score will have that much of an impact in bbl sc, normally most rounds you have 2 or 3 players scoring poorly so like you found its not much of an upgrade. But in sc afl it will have a big effect i imagine especially latter in the year when you have full premiums as it will remove that "bad luck" when you get an injured player or bad tag etc