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I have to say I have almost always preferred a guns and rookies approach, and often try to avoid midpricers unless they are an absolute obvious pick. I too was sitting with only Bont and Butters as premiums in the mids for a long time, and the high price rookies taking up the other spots. I worry how many of those rookies are really going to give us what we need for cash generation. Currently with 4 premiums in the mids, I still have room for 7 of them which is more than enough and allows to be a little more picky with who I think can score enough/be subbed the least. For example, I have left Ashcroft out for now, as he has been recovering from shoulder surgery the whole preseason so far, and is going into a team that just won the GF and has a few players returning from injury to go into that team. In terms of midpricers in the midfield, it is very up in the air in terms of scoring, injury and position in their teams. Will Oliver get back to his premium scoring? Obviously if he looks good in preseason he is a walk up start. Docherty is getting older, and has been injured so so many times. Cumming was injured every five minutes at the giants, and Peatling, while showing glimpses last year, wasn't able to secure his position in the GWS side as a full time mid. Does he have limitations that prevented him or was it the coach being stubborn. I always find there are so many question marks over most midpricers that lead me to ignore them. Of course some will work and I would never tell someone not to go with one, or all of them. And the more you got right, the better position you would be in. It's hard sometimes to look at players and wonder how much of your own bias gets in the way of whether you should or shouldn't pick them. That's why discussions on them are so valuable and interesting.
Must say that I do like my MP's particularly those that can be held, make $120-$150k and be flicked at their bye to a premium that's had theirs and generally at the cost of only 2 trades. Peatling fits that bill for me and from all reports will be in the starting mid rotation, he was courted by a third of the comp for a reason, he's one of about 11 that are in my starting side.

My fault with MP's though is recognizing the right time to jump off, I tend to stick steadfastly to the upgrading strategy of getting rookies off the ground first, or holding until the byes trying to maximise points and timing.

I think it was 3 years ago where MP's took 17 of the 31 spots of those players that made over $150k, this year is looking very similar.
 
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Agreed, Macrae over Smith. ACL are difficult to come back from, i am sure one of the member has some stats on this.??

Geelong have a lot of potential players that can run through the midfield, Saints less. Currently i am preferring Holmes over Smith as i believe Holmes is a lock for a full time mid role this year, and can line up in DEF?MID status for SC.

F1 JFH or Rankine leaning JFH as Rankine finds ways to get injured with his all or nothing approach.
F2 Macrae is a must have, as i cannot see anything else but full time on ball.
F3 Daniels if confirmed HB role. Early mail is yes. But also a risky option as he is moving into a new team and the ROOS have several options at HB. Pre Season will tell us more.

Now not much talk on Riley Sanders from WB. Could be one to keep a eye on during pre-season Games.
Would note on Smith that by the season start he's closer to being in the 2nd season back from the ACL than the first. He'll be at 15 months which is a solid 6 months past the normal optimal return timeframe and still a solid 3 months from a bad return. From the talk he was a chance to play finals last year so I would assume he was much closer to optimal than bad time frame.

My bigger question for Smith will actually be how the Cats plan on using him. He's actually probably last on my list of the main names because of those concerns. He's an awful ball user so he really needs a lot of ball and he tends to be better suited to the wing where he can run and carry and then bomb it long to a contest as that's the only way he really gets effective disposals. The Cats have a few spots he could slot but the wing would be where I want to see him and can score pretty well.

Lot of questions with the Cats in general on personnel.

Throw in the bye and for me that makes him more in the potential than must have category.

Agree that I like Holmes more, albeit I think there's more genuine premium plays in the backs and his injury history is becoming a bit of a concern, is it "luck" that they keep happening in finals or are the soft tissue problems going to become more widespread across the year. If Holmes didn't have the r0 he'd be right up there for me but that's a huge hit given the quality of a couple of the options that don't have that around the same price range and also that don't have his injury history.

Macrae on ball is a lock, he's proven he's not much good anywhere else and the Saints desperately need another midfielder to go with Steele and Phillipou so it's a great fit, this is a team that was giving Dow, Clark, Windhager, Jones, Stocker and Seb Ross genuine midfield minutes across the entire season last year. Sinclair so much better at HB being forced into there is also a blow for them that Macrae can fix. It's hard to understate how awful their midfield options were last year.

Phillipou for mine is also a lock if he looks set to continue the midfield role, he's got the ability level to at least contend for a Brownlow, imo. I assume they didn't think he was physically ready which is why they held him back for so long but he showed what he can do last year.

Daniels is too cheap to resist if playing HB. He's put up ~100 before in that role and the Kangas have a lot more supply and history of huge HB scoring that could make that even juicier. It's not like they've shown any care factor whether their defenders can defend in recent times either.

JHF will depend a lot on preseason. If Drew and Wines are still in their main mix, then JHF needs to look much improved for mine. He's a talent but he's also been his own worst enemy by playing well as a forward and can definitely see him copping the Heeney treatment so that Wines/Drew can have a role in the team as they can't really play anywhere else. Lot of moving parts here, I also kind of hate his bye as there's so many other options at other positions and he feels by far the most replaceable of the players in that bye.

Rankine is hard. They recruited a few guys that could hurt his role. Peatling as a mid and ANB as another HF with much better workrate to be an option around the ground. I find it hard to find a huge amount of upside on the pick because of that. Feels like they need him forward more than anywhere else which limits him a bit in a team that on paper still looks one of the weaker albeit I liked their recruiting this o***eason. His bye is also fantastic which is a nice bonus. Durability and suspension risk are both high here which doesn't help. He was surprisingly consistent last year but also relied on some pretty extreme ratios which are driven from some absurd goal kicking accuracy, if that reverted to the mean then his ratio would probably largely go with it. Definitely one to watch in the preseason though, his bye alone has value if he's worth picking despite it.

Definitely for me though the premium forwards matter far less than the rookies, I could definitely see myself easily rolling with Macrae at F1 because the rookie options look sensational in the forwards and so do the midprice guys. The rookies are mostly all pure FWD as well so you have to pick them there so might see a couple of the midprice options leak into the mids, heck Daniel might even leak to DEF where I've struggled a lot more to find cheap options so far.

As always, the rookies dictate structure to me but the midpricers might also. Definitely a high chance we're playing the "pick two rucks" game that is always so interestingly hard to do.

Worth noting that WR in the NFL might be the hardest spot in all of sports on the ACL, CB where you've got the mimic aspect might be worse but they're both right up there. If there's a spot that exposes being even a quarter step slow in/out of breaks it's that.

The ACL return will definitely depend on the person to a large extent. It's mostly mental for AFL, especially one like Smith's where he's almost certainly had too much time rather than not enough.
 
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Can someone please explain Doc's price? My take was that he gets a 30% discount after only one game last year, that discount should apply to the previous years 100 ave, which should see a price of around $377k, for some reason he's priced at 90.

In other news, I see that Henry Hustwaite ($121k) spent the match sim playing as an inside mid, no mention whether it was for the 'A' or 'B' team though.
 
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Can someone please explain Doc's price? My take was that he gets a 30% discount after only one game last year, that discount should apply to the previous years 100 ave, which should see a price of around $377k, for some reason he's priced at 90.
The simple answer is they often tweak players discounts if they view it would be too overpowered/overselected.
 
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In other news, I see that Henry Hustwaite ($121k) spent the match sim playing as an inside mid, no mention whether it was for the 'A' or 'B' team though.
Sounds like it was a bit mixed, no real A/B team. From a post on BF, Hustwaite was in a midfield with Day, Nash and Meek, v Newcombe, Worpel, Mackenzie and Reeves. I doubt he makes the initial team with that sort of depth, but he did earn a spot after having a good pre-season last year. You could argue maybe he gets a spot elsewhere on ground or on the bench, but both forward and back there's at least 8-9 you'd pick ahead of him as well.

Going to be some good players playing at Box Hill this year.
 
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I'd really like to get Sheldrick and Ed Allan as 3rd and 4th years and we'll get to see them in R0.

There should be a few teams with the good rookies in R0.
Essendon (2), Sydney (3), Giants (3), Collingwood (1), Geelong (2) and Brisbane (1)
It’s going to be fun seeing how people go about fitting in all these midfield rookies… I currently have Allan & Sheldrick, along with O’Driscall & Tsatas who should all benefit from the extra preseasons compared to the first year players but also have Smith, Draper & Ashcroft as well…

Currently the likes of Lalor, O’Sullivan, Langford, Smilie, Lombard & Lindsay aren’t in my side but depending on how their preseasons go, all of them may come into consideration…
 
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Sounds like it was a bit mixed, no real A/B team. From a post on BF, Hustwaite was in a midfield with Day, Nash and Meek, v Newcombe, Worpel, Mackenzie and Reeves. I doubt he makes the initial team with that sort of depth, but he did earn a spot after having a good pre-season last year. You could argue maybe he gets a spot elsewhere on ground or on the bench, but both forward and back there's at least 8-9 you'd pick ahead of him as well.

Going to be some good players playing at Box Hill this year.
What are your thoughts on Meek and Reeves? Do you think Meek have R1 locked away or is Reeves a threat?
 
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What are your thoughts on Meek and Reeves? Do you think Meek have R1 locked away or is Reeves a threat?
I wouldn't say it's a certainty, but likely. From what I have read, Reeves seems to be doing better in the ruck contests head to head, Meek has been superior around the ground. I would expect Meek gets first crack, and plays most games. Like most spots on the list now though, there's quality back up waiting if someone doesn't perform, it's been a few years since that has been the case.
 
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I wouldn't say it's a certainty, but likely. From what I have read, Reeves seems to be doing better in the ruck contests head to head, Meek has been superior around the ground. I would expect Meek gets first crack, and plays most games. Like most spots on the list now though, there's quality back up waiting if someone doesn't perform, it's been a few years since that has been the case.
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
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Pay up for the set and forget. Less stress each week hoping Meek gets named.??

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Wasn’t a question related to normal Supercoach team. But I understand your point. However my team currently is loaded with Rd 12,13 and 15 keepers so the correct ruck set up is challenging.
 
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Has anyone heard a confirmed, or even rumoured date (from someone involved) for when AFL SC opens yet?

I know in previous years it has been late January, which would possibly mean this week, but that might be wishful thinking, as you usually find out at least a few days in advance that it'll be opening. I doubt it opens on a long weekend, so mid-late next week seems likely to me (best guess only).
 
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Has anyone heard a confirmed, or even rumoured date (from someone involved) for when AFL SC opens yet?

I know in previous years it has been late January, which would possibly mean this week, but that might be wishful thinking, as you usually find out at least a few days in advance that it'll be opening. I doubt it opens on a long weekend, so mid-late next week seems likely to me (best guess only).
I would imagine we will get a few cryptic tweets in the next day or so. Now that the bbl is done I would imagine they would get on the front foot.

The bigger thing is we have no heard boo after the first leak about the flex position being added. Most other platforms have gone into detail on their draft game and all other changes. I feel as though we will be getting a very similar SC in 2025
 
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Has anyone heard a confirmed, or even rumoured date (from someone involved) for when AFL SC opens yet?

I know in previous years it has been late January, which would possibly mean this week, but that might be wishful thinking, as you usually find out at least a few days in advance that it'll be opening. I doubt it opens on a long weekend, so mid-late next week seems likely to me (best guess only).
From last year's early planning thread...
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I googled it and it St K signed ruckman Harry Boyd on the 13th December, yet he is not it the SC website for team picker. Am i missing something or will he just be available when the SC fully opens for everyone?
 
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I googled it and it St K signed ruckman Harry Boyd on the 13th December, yet he is not it the SC website for team picker. Am i missing something or will he just be available when the SC fully opens for everyone?
Report: Saints to lock in SANFL ruckman as an SSP signing — SEN
This doesn't exactly scream to me, he'll be added to the senior list or be there round one, could be more of just a 'Just in case' kinda thing.
Have to wait and see I guess.
He only got the SSP spot because Crouch retired so it'll depend on how well he goes in pre-season and how Marshall's going, if he gets injured or tired at some point.
 
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