Discussion 2025: AFL SuperCoach Discussion - OPEN

Do you start a $669k Gawn?

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There's definitely a significant balancing point in this as I went the other way of disregarding them entirely and being too far behind to ever have a chance from the leaked points in the byes.

Basic rule is that anyone who has the r0 bye is going to need to outscore the alternative by about 10 points a round over the first 6. Someone like Heeney or Flanders last year were the perfect examples of the type of guy that you want and/or need to start regardless of that bye. If you started someone like Daicos or Gulden who started quite slowly then you'll be well behind.

In short, it's still a pick em but the r0 adds an extra hurdle for those players to beat the other options.

Mills, Smith and Coleman, if he makes round 1, would look the most obvious names from those teams that would be worth picking despite the bye given very cheap prices. Someone like a Day could justify it with a big start.

Generally though, avoiding the byes is the better bet. If you don't think someone is very underpriced then I would avoid those byes.

Definitely a factor that the r12 bye could end up costing you if you avoid too much as the majority of top options seem to be locking into that round right now so definitely don't ignore the later byes to avoid the early ones.
I agree with all that. I also think how to get players into the team is a consideration. Players like Flanders and Daicos might be easier to start than to trade in if their price doesn't drop. The draw would suggest Daicos might have a flat spot after his early bye but I'm inclined to start Flanders at the moment.
 
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First draft for the 2025 season, had been having a play around in team picker but never really settled on anything so here is my first proper attempt at a team.

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Structure: As you can tell there are more value picks in this line up than most. Obviously much easier to pick these players now than when lockout comes around. Think the main change to my structure that will likely occur before round 1 is culling a Rozee type from the mids in favour of another fieldable rookie and then using that cash to upgrade defence and/or ruck lines.

Defenders:
Sinclair - might be a bit biased having him in there at this stage as was a very happy owner from the middle of last season. Had a slow start last season as he came back from injury but really took off once he found his feet. Went at 120.4 from his last 11 games. Bonner out means hopefully he stays back with also Macrae coming in to help the mids.

Clark - feel as though Freo really changed the way they wanted to play in the back half of the year and this suited Jordan Clark. Think he still has some upside at the price with some natural progression and Freo winning more games this year. Went at 113.0 average in wins last year.

McKercher - if McKercher keeps his half back role he is a great selection IMO. Moved into that role from round 7 last year and went at 106.5. Natural progression upside is there as well, the risk is they do similar with what they did with Sheezel last year and move him forward of the ball. Think the mid stocks at North are enough that maybe this won't happen.

Duggan - real left field selection here which is just a bit of a fun one now. Interested to see if he will be full time defender this season and stay out of the CBA rotation. Plenty of points to be had in the WCE backline and Duggan went 101.3 when he had 0% CBAs last year. Still might not be enough upside there but have him on my watchlist anyway.

Coleman - if he plays round 1 will be in almost every team, glad we get the round 0 look at him.

Rookies - don't know much about rookies in general but feel as though all these guys should be playing at some stage.

Other players borderline selection for me on this line; Sheezel, NWM, Dale, Farrell, Short, Mills

Midfielders:
Brayshaw - think he is in for a big season, went at 116.5 post bye last year. Just needs to put together a consistent season as he has done it in patches for quite a while now.

Rozee - had a very strange season last year. 6 scores under 80 which by picking him am banking on this not happening again. Has the ceiling to really go big and think he offers value at his price. Whether that is enough for a top 8 season it is hard to tell but if he looks fit and firing in the pre-season then he may be one I take a chance on.

Oliver - everyone knows the drill here, it is all about how he looks in the pre season games.

Cerra - horrible durability history last season with recurring hamstring injuries. Has gone to Qatar in the off season and hoping that he can bounce back like Yeo did after the same trip last off season. Had an 11 game patch in 2022 where he averaged 109.7. Hoping for a hot start from him.

Peatling - he was being courted by many clubs and don't feel as though he would've chosen Adelaide without some assurances on the role he would be playing for them. Taking out his sub games from last year and he has 20 points upside and then if you take games with 50%+ CBAs then there is 30 point upside.

Rookies - again unsure on most of them but have purposely spent up as it is easier to adjust down than up.

Other players borderline selection for me on this line; Bont, Butters, Serong, LDU, Taranto, Cumming

Rucks:
De Koning - really took over when given the second chance at the number 1 ruck role last year. Priced at 99 with a ceiling like that makes it hard to ignore, will need to see no Pittonet obviously.

Darcy - wouldn't be a pre season team without me not selecting this guy. Every year I say this is his year but finally now he is saying it as well. Looking very trim and we all know his scoring prowess. Has the ability to do a 120+ season.

Rookie - placeholder for now.

Other players borderline selection for me on this line; Xerri, English, Flynn

Forwards:
JHF - not in love with this selection and is here by default at the moment. Very hot and cold season and even during games last year. Had some massive last quarters which boosted his numbers and kicked some important goals as well from memory. Will be watching closely in the pre season.

Macrae - did Bevo know something we didn't or was he just being Bevo. We will find out soon and leaning towards the latter as Macrae showed he still had it albeit at VFL level last year averaging 146 across 3 games. Can't imagine similar to the Peatling discussion that he has gone to the Saints without the promise of mid time.

Smith - anyone who can guess what the Cats midfield set up is going to be week to week is an absolute genius. Everything I've read this pre season is positive for Smith but we won't know until round 0. If the role isn't there then I think I will fade.

Phillipou - working off of 4 games of AFL data with this selection but it was some pretty positive data for sure. Averaging 94.5 in supercoach and think he will stay in the mid mix to start. Another thing I like was his run of VFL games to get him back in where he went at 111.5 fantasy for a month.

Daniel - seems the biggest no brainer selection for supercoach in 2025. North defenders love racking up the points and think Daniel is much better than Fisher who had a field day down there at times.

Rpokies - not much to add here.

Other players borderline selection for me on this line; Rankine, Baker, Thilthorpe, Sanders, Maric

Flex:
Guthrie - if he is fit and firing round 0 then he could be one to put together a little patch and make some coin for us.
 
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Idle thought playing around...

If Tom Lynch is actually fit, he feels like a suspiciously good flex option. High ceiling, low floor, low price, guaranteed best 22.
I reckon Lynch's price is too hard to ignore and as you said, if fit can put up some large scores spiking his BE, he can also spud it up and trash his BE. Seems the ideal candidate to loop in those early byes, it looks like I'll have a GWS or Suns rookie for round 2, Smith for round 3 and I'm yet to work out a donut for round 4 but might not have to as a FD might have presented by then.
 
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I haven't had Lynch in any of my teams and I'm not interested.

I do think he can make $150-200k if he can stay on the park, but whether that's in Round 8 or Round 16 or Round 24 is anyone's guess. I don't want him hovering around $220k whilst carrying a one week injury that extends every week.
 
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As I know I won't have the time come February/March, I'm making it easier for myself to see the byes now so when the inevitable scramble for creating a team occurs I won't completely stuff myself for the bye period. Made this table (apologies for the gaudy colours, I just like to differentiate teams easily) and thought some may find it useful.


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As I know I won't have the time come February/March, I'm making it easier for myself to see the byes now so when the inevitable scramble for creating a team occurs I won't completely stuff myself for the bye period. Made this table (apologies for the gaudy colours, I just like to differentiate teams easily) and thought some may find it useful.


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Nice job, thanks!
 
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So you have to take a ruck as your flex right? The added cover just makes it too good to do anything else doesn't it? I guess you can run the gauntlet early days but I just cant see a world where not having a 3rd ruckman late in the year when trades are sparse is the play.
 

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Thanks for the byes list; gives a very clear picture of who plays when. Although I will change the colours before my eyes hurt too much!!! Does anyone have a spreadsheet of players with prices and positions? I can never work out how or where to download that from.
 
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So you have to take a ruck as your flex right? The added cover just makes it too good to do anything else doesn't it? I guess you can run the gauntlet early days but I just cant see a world where not having a 3rd ruckman late in the year when trades are sparse is the play.
Just make sure you have a DPP ruck nuff that you can shift to a different line if a ruck gets injured. I know everyone generally runs with one, but if people happen to pick up a ruck only rookie at the expense of that nuff throughout the season, it could spell trouble.
 
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So you have to take a ruck as your flex right? The added cover just makes it too good to do anything else doesn't it? I guess you can run the gauntlet early days but I just cant see a world where not having a 3rd ruckman late in the year when trades are sparse is the play.
It looks like added cover but it's not. You're R3 now has to cover 3 spots instead of 2.
 

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So you have to take a ruck as your flex right? The added cover just makes it too good to do anything else doesn't it? I guess you can run the gauntlet early days but I just cant see a world where not having a 3rd ruckman late in the year when trades are sparse is the play.
Equally you could pick another premium midfielder, and then you are effectively covering R1 and R2 with your M9 (the flex spot). You don’t actually need two rucks on field.

A thought occurred to me this morning - thinking about the flex feature as being a “position” may not be the best way to think about it.

For the most part, it’s just fielding an extra (23rd) player, and then dropping the lowest scorer.

In BBL, a lot of the talk about the flex position died down quickly - it doesn’t seem to matter as much as was initially speculated (at least in terms of having to choose it carefully, etc).
 
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I haven't had Lynch in any of my teams and I'm not interested.

I do think he can make $150-200k if he can stay on the park, but whether that's in Round 8 or Round 16 or Round 24 is anyone's guess. I don't want him hovering around $220k whilst carrying a one week injury that extends every week.
A new fitness guy who actually might know what he is doing is a great improvement.
 
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Equally you could pick another premium midfielder, and then you are effectively covering R1 and R2 with your M9 (the flex spot). You don’t actually need two rucks on field.

A thought occurred to me this morning - thinking about the flex feature as being a “position” may not be the best way to think about it.

For the most part, it’s just fielding an extra (23rd) player, and then dropping the lowest scorer.

In BBL, a lot of the talk about the flex position died down quickly - it doesn’t seem to matter as much as was initially speculated (at least in terms of having to choose it carefully, etc).
I agree. I think you just pick the best 23 players and put the most reliable in flex because there is no cover for the flex. If someone thinks 4 ruckman are part of their best 23 starting players than all good.
 
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So you have to take a ruck as your flex right? The added cover just makes it too good to do anything else doesn't it? I guess you can run the gauntlet early days but I just cant see a world where not having a 3rd ruckman late in the year when trades are sparse is the play.
I don't think it offers added cover. Maybe later in the season if you have the luxury of a spare keeper sitting on your forward bench and you have a r/f to get that extra keeper on field. Otherwise I don't think so.

If Boyd is a starter Rd 1, I will be happy to go with him at R 3. Wondering if they use Boyd at CB and then use Marshall around the ground to run the opposition ruck off their legs. Pre season games will be interesting.
 
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