Discussion 2025: AFL SuperCoach Discussion
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I was thinking I might still use an early VC in R1, as I copped some rank C/VC scores last year. I guess if you are willing to cop a potential low score you just go for it, but really not sure how I'll play it yet. Can see the logic in not picking a R1 donut though, it is one less cash generating spot, even if you do pick someone who only misses one round. You've probably got me coming around to the straight C option the more I think about it.
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On the same wavelength
I am starting with
Def. NWM, Clark, Short, Mills
Mid. Bont, Brayshaw, Anderson, Oliver, Peatling
R. Nank TDK
F. Rankine. Macrae, Smith, Parker, Daniel
I see this 14+2
Between R5-11, will target Flanders, Whitfield, Naicos, Ashcroft, Green (Ashcroft could be Dunkley ot Neale, but chasing a Brisbane player)
Going into R12, gives me 19 +2. So will run 15+2+1
R13, get JHF. Gives me 20+2. So will run 16+2
R14. Upgrade Short to Sheezel. Gives me 21+1. So will run 16+1+1
R15. Upgrade Peatling to Butters. Gives me 22. So will run 20 premos (might consider Anderson to Dawson in R14 or starting with Dawson instead of Anderson to balance up R14/15)
R16. Get Serong as flex. Gives me 23. So will run 19 premos.
That would have me
Def. Sheezel, Flanders, Whitfield, NWM, Clark, Mills
Mid. Bont, Butters, Naicos, Brayshaw, Dawson, Green. Ashcroft, Oliver
R. Nank TDK
F. JHF, Rankine, Macrae, Smith, Daniel, Parker
Flex. Serong
Ruck is missing at least one big gun. So would hope for enough trades in hand for a luxury upgrade after their bye. But the rest is solid.
Probably have more hope of winning Tattslotto than this plan actually happening. But what else is there to do a month out from the start of the season?
I am starting with
Def. NWM, Clark, Short, Mills
Mid. Bont, Brayshaw, Anderson, Oliver, Peatling
R. Nank TDK
F. Rankine. Macrae, Smith, Parker, Daniel
I see this 14+2
Between R5-11, will target Flanders, Whitfield, Naicos, Ashcroft, Green (Ashcroft could be Dunkley ot Neale, but chasing a Brisbane player)
Going into R12, gives me 19 +2. So will run 15+2+1
R13, get JHF. Gives me 20+2. So will run 16+2
R14. Upgrade Short to Sheezel. Gives me 21+1. So will run 16+1+1
R15. Upgrade Peatling to Butters. Gives me 22. So will run 20 premos (might consider Anderson to Dawson in R14 or starting with Dawson instead of Anderson to balance up R14/15)
R16. Get Serong as flex. Gives me 23. So will run 19 premos.
That would have me
Def. Sheezel, Flanders, Whitfield, NWM, Clark, Mills
Mid. Bont, Butters, Naicos, Brayshaw, Dawson, Green. Ashcroft, Oliver
R. Nank TDK
F. JHF, Rankine, Macrae, Smith, Daniel, Parker
Flex. Serong
Ruck is missing at least one big gun. So would hope for enough trades in hand for a luxury upgrade after their bye. But the rest is solid.
Probably have more hope of winning Tattslotto than this plan actually happening. But what else is there to do a month out from the start of the season?
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This is how my teams currently looking. Compared to previous seasons, I’m feeling pretty content with where it’s at!
I’m really hoping Sinn or Williams from Port look like benefiting from Houston’s departure because other than Sheezel, Sinclair & Mills, I don’t feel confident in any other premiums or midpricers! (Don’t want to start Houston, Holmes, Stewart or Perrymen because of their bye)
I dare say E. Allan will make way for Knevitt based on the things I’m hearing from both clubs but prefer to have the more expensive of the two in my side currently.
Will have to be conscious of trading in players with the round 12 bye because I’m pretty much at capacity!
As always, any thoughts/advice welcome.
I’m really hoping Sinn or Williams from Port look like benefiting from Houston’s departure because other than Sheezel, Sinclair & Mills, I don’t feel confident in any other premiums or midpricers! (Don’t want to start Houston, Holmes, Stewart or Perrymen because of their bye)
I dare say E. Allan will make way for Knevitt based on the things I’m hearing from both clubs but prefer to have the more expensive of the two in my side currently.
Will have to be conscious of trading in players with the round 12 bye because I’m pretty much at capacity!
As always, any thoughts/advice welcome.
Nothing to say it won't work.
You have obviously put a lot of thought into it.
That will be my next thing to do , work out my preferred finishing team and then find out which premiums I can get in between Round 5-12 and which ones in Round 13 - 16.
After looking at it briefly last night I am even more intrigued.
Obviously the key would be to get the starting Round 12 premiums right and which ones you could fade
Again discounting those with the early Bye
Sheezel v Ryan or McGovern or Sinclair or Clark
Or is their a different way 🤔
Sheezel + Travaglia (may not even play) = $ 807,600.00
v
Rivers + Short = $ 905,200.00
Difference is to much , maybe a Milera price type
But then we look at Bont and this is where things get even more interesting 🤗
Bont + Lalor (may not even play) = $ 884,500.00
even use Long , FOS , NOD , Smith , E Allan price as options
v
Dawson + Peatling = $ 903,100.00
What combo scores more ?
Fade Butters for Serong
Fade Cripps for Brayshaw
Similar output
Rucks , fade Xerri for Gawn
TDK if sole ruck for any length of time could very well be the highest averaging ruck
Just need to look at combos (which you have obviously done) and see what clicks
You have obviously put a lot of thought into it.
That will be my next thing to do , work out my preferred finishing team and then find out which premiums I can get in between Round 5-12 and which ones in Round 13 - 16.
After looking at it briefly last night I am even more intrigued.
Obviously the key would be to get the starting Round 12 premiums right and which ones you could fade
Again discounting those with the early Bye
Sheezel v Ryan or McGovern or Sinclair or Clark
Or is their a different way 🤔
Sheezel + Travaglia (may not even play) = $ 807,600.00
v
Rivers + Short = $ 905,200.00
Difference is to much , maybe a Milera price type
But then we look at Bont and this is where things get even more interesting 🤗
Bont + Lalor (may not even play) = $ 884,500.00
even use Long , FOS , NOD , Smith , E Allan price as options
v
Dawson + Peatling = $ 903,100.00
What combo scores more ?
Fade Butters for Serong
Fade Cripps for Brayshaw
Similar output
Rucks , fade Xerri for Gawn
TDK if sole ruck for any length of time could very well be the highest averaging ruck
Just need to look at combos (which you have obviously done) and see what clicks
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Reef now getting written up in the Hun as playing for the A Team down back. I don't have the original link but the text was reprinted at; https://www.voy.com/51976/592563.html
I know that there is a fair portion of bias here as he came into the club with a fair bit of hype behind him but he just hasn't been able to step up now in 4 years or so. He can play, that much is obvious but that endurance..... I can see myself having a punt on the lad but fear that Fly will continue building that endurance by making him sub every week except for weeks where there is no VFL at all, in which case he'll be rested.
I know that there is a fair portion of bias here as he came into the club with a fair bit of hype behind him but he just hasn't been able to step up now in 4 years or so. He can play, that much is obvious but that endurance..... I can see myself having a punt on the lad but fear that Fly will continue building that endurance by making him sub every week except for weeks where there is no VFL at all, in which case he'll be rested.
Why would he be sub though ?
Isn't the reason he is defence to be the Murphy (role) replacement ?
Howe , McInnes , Moore
+ Maynard & Quaynor
+ J Daicos & Houston
Crisp , JDG , Pendles , Perryman rotating mids
Rusty & Lipinski/WHE as the wings
Josh & Houston might allow Nick to play more forward of centre and be even more damaging in and around F50
Hopefully Checkers , McStay & Membrey can all gel , play the old 3 point forward triangulation that Clarko used to have with Buddy , Roughy & the third escapes me
Billy , Bobby , McCreery , Schultz
Cameron in the ruck
You have probably been following it more than me but thought the sub would be out of Allan , Hoskin-Elliott or Lipinski
Getting excited 🤗
Isn't the reason he is defence to be the Murphy (role) replacement ?
Howe , McInnes , Moore
+ Maynard & Quaynor
+ J Daicos & Houston
Crisp , JDG , Pendles , Perryman rotating mids
Rusty & Lipinski/WHE as the wings
Josh & Houston might allow Nick to play more forward of centre and be even more damaging in and around F50
Hopefully Checkers , McStay & Membrey can all gel , play the old 3 point forward triangulation that Clarko used to have with Buddy , Roughy & the third escapes me
Billy , Bobby , McCreery , Schultz
Cameron in the ruck
You have probably been following it more than me but thought the sub would be out of Allan , Hoskin-Elliott or Lipinski
Getting excited 🤗
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Depending on the rookies , I could be very tempted to start something like this :-
D : Sheezel , Clark , NWM , Mills
M : Cripps , Brayshaw , Dawson , Oliver , Peatling , Daniel *
R : Gawn , TDK
F : Rankine , Macrae , Smith * , Parker *
= 16
Round 12 = 5 missing
Round 13 = 4 missing
VC Cripps / TDK - > Gawn
Until I can get Daicos
Hopefully :-
2 Defender Upgrades Required
4 Mid Upgrades Required
1 Forward Upgrade Required
+ premium for Flex
First sign of Pittonet out TDK goes
D : Sheezel , Clark , NWM , Mills
M : Cripps , Brayshaw , Dawson , Oliver , Peatling , Daniel *
R : Gawn , TDK
F : Rankine , Macrae , Smith * , Parker *
= 16
Round 12 = 5 missing
Round 13 = 4 missing
VC Cripps / TDK - > Gawn
Until I can get Daicos
Hopefully :-
2 Defender Upgrades Required
4 Mid Upgrades Required
1 Forward Upgrade Required
+ premium for Flex
First sign of Pittonet out TDK goes
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Same reason he's always been the sub to date. He can't run out games and is gassed after the first few repeat sprints. He should get there eventually but his usage has been weird to say the least. As I alluded to above, he hasn't been given enough full games between AFL and VFL to help improve his tank and i don't know what the go with that is. They should be playing him as many minutes as possible, even if it is in the magoos.
Anyway, on goals per minute, I think he might have been our best forward last year. Not bad for a mid being asked to plug a gap and play tall forward. To be fair, he did come into games when the zing had come off it a bit, which is good usage in the moment. Just didn't do much for his development which again is odd, considering Fly's chops as a development coach.
Edit: while I'm here, I'm not sure on the "Murphy replacement" role. We don't have anyone with Murph's blend of skill, strength, play reading and utter fearlessness on the list. He was hugely underrated outside our walls. Reef might be taking Murph's old place on the whiteboard but he's not capable of playing the same role IMV. A very different player and I would think it more likely that the backline rejigs the way it plays to factor this in. Perhaps we see Moore working the man-on-man stuff a little more and paying his opponent some more respect.
Anyway, on goals per minute, I think he might have been our best forward last year. Not bad for a mid being asked to plug a gap and play tall forward. To be fair, he did come into games when the zing had come off it a bit, which is good usage in the moment. Just didn't do much for his development which again is odd, considering Fly's chops as a development coach.
Edit: while I'm here, I'm not sure on the "Murphy replacement" role. We don't have anyone with Murph's blend of skill, strength, play reading and utter fearlessness on the list. He was hugely underrated outside our walls. Reef might be taking Murph's old place on the whiteboard but he's not capable of playing the same role IMV. A very different player and I would think it more likely that the backline rejigs the way it plays to factor this in. Perhaps we see Moore working the man-on-man stuff a little more and paying his opponent some more respect.
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Fair enough
Can't remember him playing as a defender before , so thought this was a completely new opportunity for him.
Murphy was probably our most important player structure wise.
I guess if it is not him the other options are Dean or Frampton.
Talk that we are reverting back to our free wheeling AOA style again so Moore might be even looser , surely can't expect IQ to try and cover for him again.
Hopefully he (McInnes) had a big preseason running and on the bike building his fitness levels up
Can't remember him playing as a defender before , so thought this was a completely new opportunity for him.
Murphy was probably our most important player structure wise.
I guess if it is not him the other options are Dean or Frampton.
Talk that we are reverting back to our free wheeling AOA style again so Moore might be even looser , surely can't expect IQ to try and cover for him again.
Hopefully he (McInnes) had a big preseason running and on the bike building his fitness levels up
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I think if last year taught us anything, it's the picking the right players is more important than the bye. Green, Flanders, Heeney, Grundy etc. are all great examples. Does anyone have last year's winner's starting team? I bet they had all these guys + other Rd 0 players. Can't remember the other obvious ones.
Yes, it's fair and obvious to say that by starting a Rd0 player over a non-Rd0 player you are giving up about 60 pts. (110 - 50 rookie sub). But what's 60 points (or 5 pts a game across half a season) over the context of a long season? Are any of us really so good as this game and judging players, that we know what people are going to average within 5 points? No chance. The range of these guys is so big, there's huge amounts of luck involved.
Last year you might have taken an LDU or a Dawson or Rozee or whoever over Green/Neale/Dunkley/Whitfield/whoever etc. - that 60 point advantage you had was gone in 1 week if you picked the wrong guy.
This year I am focussed on picking the right guys. Yeah it's annoying that Daicos has an early bye. But he's probably the player in the comp most capable of going 130+ average and trapping you out of owning him unless you want to pay 750k. If you really want to own someone, don't let an early bye steer you away.
Yes, it's fair and obvious to say that by starting a Rd0 player over a non-Rd0 player you are giving up about 60 pts. (110 - 50 rookie sub). But what's 60 points (or 5 pts a game across half a season) over the context of a long season? Are any of us really so good as this game and judging players, that we know what people are going to average within 5 points? No chance. The range of these guys is so big, there's huge amounts of luck involved.
Last year you might have taken an LDU or a Dawson or Rozee or whoever over Green/Neale/Dunkley/Whitfield/whoever etc. - that 60 point advantage you had was gone in 1 week if you picked the wrong guy.
This year I am focussed on picking the right guys. Yeah it's annoying that Daicos has an early bye. But he's probably the player in the comp most capable of going 130+ average and trapping you out of owning him unless you want to pay 750k. If you really want to own someone, don't let an early bye steer you away.
Don't have his starting team but have this info :-
May’s Tip 1: Get your timing right on trades
The 2024 champ attributes his success to smart trades, and a healthy slice of luck.
“Timing is everything in this game,” he said.
When Max Gawn was injured in round 18, May “zigged when everyone else zagged” by replacing him with Rowan Marshall, who finished the year like a steam train, averaging 126 points a game over the final seven rounds.
May’s Tip 2: Chase value
Not all his mid-pricers succeeded, but even players like Ollie Wines and Nat Fyfe played a role in his overall success.
“A lot of mid-pricers I started ended up flopping but having them in your team gives you the flexibility to jump on the ones that do pop off – I got on guys like Riley Bonner, (Massimo) D’Ambrosio and Tom Powell pretty early.”
May’s Tip 3: Avoid top-tier players at the start
May largely avoided top-priced players in his starting team – with the exception of Marcus Bontempelli, Max Gawn and Harry Sheezel – and instead banked on mid-pricers including Docker Jordan Clark, who went on to average 104.6 points a game for the season.
“I started him and checked his ownership and I thought a lot more people had him, he was an accidental POD,” May said.
“I didn’t own Luke Ryan, Zak Butters or Caleb Serong for the whole season.” he said.
May’s Tip 4: Back your gut
Another smart early move was grabbing North Melbourne ruckman Tristan Xerri, the breakout SuperCoach star of 2024.
“I had him all pre-season but got fooled by Brodie Grundy in round zero, as a lot of us did,” May said.
He was quick to make a correction after just two rounds which meant he missed out on some of Grundy’s best scores, but Xerri “was better than I ever thought he would be”.
May’s Tip 5: Save your trades
May made aggressive moves early, but saving trades for a hectic finish proved pivotal.
“I knew I wanted to have trades left at the end in case of an emergency. You don’t ever want to leave yourself with a doughnut, and I was lucky I had enough left heading into the final few rounds.”
May’s Tip 1: Get your timing right on trades
The 2024 champ attributes his success to smart trades, and a healthy slice of luck.
“Timing is everything in this game,” he said.
When Max Gawn was injured in round 18, May “zigged when everyone else zagged” by replacing him with Rowan Marshall, who finished the year like a steam train, averaging 126 points a game over the final seven rounds.
May’s Tip 2: Chase value
Not all his mid-pricers succeeded, but even players like Ollie Wines and Nat Fyfe played a role in his overall success.
“A lot of mid-pricers I started ended up flopping but having them in your team gives you the flexibility to jump on the ones that do pop off – I got on guys like Riley Bonner, (Massimo) D’Ambrosio and Tom Powell pretty early.”
May’s Tip 3: Avoid top-tier players at the start
May largely avoided top-priced players in his starting team – with the exception of Marcus Bontempelli, Max Gawn and Harry Sheezel – and instead banked on mid-pricers including Docker Jordan Clark, who went on to average 104.6 points a game for the season.
“I started him and checked his ownership and I thought a lot more people had him, he was an accidental POD,” May said.
“I didn’t own Luke Ryan, Zak Butters or Caleb Serong for the whole season.” he said.
May’s Tip 4: Back your gut
Another smart early move was grabbing North Melbourne ruckman Tristan Xerri, the breakout SuperCoach star of 2024.
“I had him all pre-season but got fooled by Brodie Grundy in round zero, as a lot of us did,” May said.
He was quick to make a correction after just two rounds which meant he missed out on some of Grundy’s best scores, but Xerri “was better than I ever thought he would be”.
May’s Tip 5: Save your trades
May made aggressive moves early, but saving trades for a hectic finish proved pivotal.
“I knew I wanted to have trades left at the end in case of an emergency. You don’t ever want to leave yourself with a doughnut, and I was lucky I had enough left heading into the final few rounds.”
Not convinced Daicos has the best early draw. Could very well score strongly, but with Port, Dogs, Carlton, Swans and Brisbane his first 5 rounds, he could easily average under 110 which wouldn’t be ideal when he has the bye in between.
Personally, am eyeing him off around rd10 when he has nearly a 2 month run of no interstate games and a softer draw.
Personally, am eyeing him off around rd10 when he has nearly a 2 month run of no interstate games and a softer draw.
