2015: 'Value' Premium Midfielders

Which of these players will be in your 2015 team come lockout?


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If u can cope with the 3-4 games he'll miss suspended and the 3-4 hell miss injured/rested he's a great choice
Haha but just imagine he didn't get suspended/injured :p

The same argument could be made against picking Fyfe suppose but he's well and truly in my plans.
 

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I'd like to know how many AFL footballers play with some kind of injury on any given week.

Playing "as many games as you can, to the best you can" means balancing the time you can play at 100% with a compromise on the times you can play at 90% or 85%.. and still contribute to the team. Dane Swan playing through injury in 2014 didn't jeapordise his career, an assessment had to be made by Collingwood's medical staff each week and Swan would've had the best advice on his condition and whether it would've meant further damage or keep playing and have an end of season operation.

Put Dangerfield in the same boat and many others who played with some kind of injury in 2014, they'll be back better in 2015.
Who said anything about career? From the horses mouth it affected his season. That's enough. Would you rather the ineffective forward-pocket Dane Swan or the gut-running midfield Dane Swan?
 
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Haha but just imagine he didn't get suspended/injured :p

The same argument could be made against picking Fyfe suppose but he's well and truly in my plans.
Exactly right mate and whole heartedly agree with you just thinking I don't want
a supposed prem missing games in my first 6-8 weeks when I need the points to
keep up with the guys at the top.
 

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Who said anything about career? From the horses mouth it affected his season. That's enough. Would you rather the ineffective forward-pocket Dane Swan or the gut-running midfield Dane Swan?
As a non owner last year, I was happy for him to be an ineffective forward pocket but I suspect there were a few owners who'd have wanted a gut running mid :p

Anyway, I think you would both agree that its not an exact science and these elite athletes play the percentages when it comes to managing their careers. They're egotistical beasts by nature and will always want to get on the park whether it be to their health's detriment or not.

Exactly right mate and whole heartedly agree with you just thinking I don't want
a supposed prem missing games in my first 6-8 weeks when I need the points to
keep up with the guys at the top.
Nah I agree. I'll find it difficult to start with him myself. I'm taking a no risk policy like yourself and will be starting with only proven premiums.

He'll probably be a better late upgrade target I suppose. Fitness/FTB draw pending.
 
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Looking at Dangerfield, Steven and Griffen for two spots in my mids, reckon I'll go with Dangerfield despite his relatively slow starts to seasons considering the initial outlay is alot less for him than in the previous two seasons. Steven is probably the other one unless Griffen has a huge preseason and his back issues look to be over.
 

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Who said anything about career? From the horses mouth it affected his season. That's enough. Would you rather the ineffective forward-pocket Dane Swan or the gut-running midfield Dane Swan?
If the required layoff is long enough, it's ineffective forward-pocket or nothing. Mid-season surgery and a month or two out may fix the injury but still leaves a player with zero pre-season.
 

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Kieran Jack;

'12 ave - 112.4
'13 ave - 109.3

priced for 2015 at 102.7.

Should be a 110+ scorer next year IMO.
 
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Kieran Jack;

'12 ave - 112.4
'13 ave - 109.3

priced for 2015 at 102.7.

Should be a 110+ scorer next year IMO.
Is 110 enough for a M6-8 keeper if you start with him? Or would you consider him an upgrade target if he's looking ok?
 
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Is 110 enough for a M6-8 keeper if you start with him? Or would you consider him an upgrade target if he's looking ok?
110 avg is fine as a keeper if you start with him. Would you have upgraded Libba/Barlow/Parker/Gray last season?
 
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110 avg is fine as a keeper if you start with him. Would you have upgraded Libba/Barlow/Parker/Gray last season?
No doubt he's value, just wondering if you're aiming a bit low at 110 for a starting mid keeper.
 

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No doubt he's value, just wondering if you're aiming a bit low at 110 for a starting mid keeper.
There were only 14 mids who averaged 110+ in 2014, and of those only 7 were in the top 14 for mid points for the season. Of those 5 were 120+ and the other 9 110 - 115.5. So I'd say finding a 110-man at a discount is a very sound strategy.
 
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There were only 14 mids who averaged 110+ in 2014, and of those only 7 were in the top 14 for mid points for the season. Of those 5 were 120+ and the other 9 110 - 115.5. So I'd say finding a 110-man at a discount is a very sound strategy.
Always agree with that. I guess the question I have is whether or not he is discounted, or if that is his new scoring level. Parker took a lot more midfield time last year, with K.Jack getting DPP forward status in DT. That shows he was spending more time forward.

If you look at his scoring from last year there is really nothing to be inspired by. I guess all you can hope for was that 2014 was a down year and he didn't have a full preseason. He is not enough value at the 550k mark and round 12 bye for mine. A.Swallow is better value and 50k cheaper. Also has the round 13 bye which is handy.
 

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Always agree with that. I guess the question I have is whether or not he is discounted, or if that is his new scoring level. Parker took a lot more midfield time last year, with K.Jack getting DPP forward status in DT. That shows he was spending more time forward.

If you look at his scoring from last year there is really nothing to be inspired by. I guess all you can hope for was that 2014 was a down year and he didn't have a full preseason. He is not enough value at the 550k mark and round 12 bye for mine. A.Swallow is better value and 50k cheaper. Also has the round 13 bye which is handy.
Trying to find the dynamics of teams season to season is always the hard part. Jude Bolton retires and opens up midfield time, cue Parker or Mitchell. Parker takes it with both hands and Mitchell stinks it up. Swans have found answer for Jude's role but are left short in Parker's old role, and Jack spends a little more time in the forward line.

So come 2015 Malceski moves on and the dynamic changes again. Does McVeigh drop back into his role and opens up midfield time for Jack with Mitchell cementing the forward/mid role or does Rampe or Smith step up and a new role playing back take over their previous tasks? If you can find the answer to this then we'll know whether Jack recovers those lost 8-12 points a game.
 
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Thoughts on Toby Greene at $553,300? Came back from his club suspension and averaged 128 from his last 7 games. Disposal efficiency is always a question with him but can rack up some very high numbers and with the depth of their midfield increasing every season, could escape the taggers unlike how he was targetted in his second season.
 
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Thoughts on Toby Greene at $553,300? Came back from his club suspension and averaged 128 from his last 7 games. Disposal efficiency is always a question with him but can rack up some very high numbers and with the depth of their midfield increasing every season, could escape the taggers unlike how he was targetted in his second season.


Coniglio had a good run without Shiel, Shiel had a good run without Greene, Greene had a good run without Coniglio. The only 2 times they all played their scores suffered. Now add Griffen and only Leon Cameron could tell you if Toby Greene is a good pick.
Callan Ward seems unaffected.
 
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Coniglio had a good run without Shiel, Shiel had a good run without Greene, Greene had a good run without Coniglio. The only 2 times they all played their scores suffered. Now add Griffen and only Leon Cameron could tell you if Toby Greene is a good pick.
Callan Ward seems unaffected.
Cheers, pretty impressive analysis.
 

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Jack Steven is an interesting prospect with his first half of the season. Saints only play 1 top four team (hawks) and a total of 3 games (Bombers x2) against top 7 teams from 2014 in the first 16 rounds.
When it comes to looking for value picks, Steven is a very interesting proposition this year. We saw in 2013 that he can score like a premium mid when he averaged 110.

His season last year was wrecked by the serious foot injury that he sustained in the pre-season and then a stress reaction in his thigh towards the end of the season.

From all reports, he is fully fit now and looks as though he will complete a full pre-season so I wonder whether he will be able to get back to scoring like a premium this year.

Priced at just $455,900 he is extremely good value. Surely he is worth a thought for our starting sides, isn't he?

Would be keen to hear the thoughts of Saints fans especially.
 
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When it comes to looking for value picks, Steven is a very interesting proposition this year. We saw in 2013 that he can score like a premium mid when he averaged 110.

His season last year was wrecked by the serious foot injury that he sustained in the pre-season and then a stress reaction in his thigh towards the end of the season.

From all reports, he is fully fit now and looks as though he will complete a full pre-season so I wonder whether he will be able to get back to scoring like a premium this year.

Priced at just $455,900 he is extremely good value. Surely he is worth a thought for our starting sides, isn't he?

Would be keen to hear the thoughts of Saints fans especially.
It would be interesting to hear from Saints fans who is likely to be in their midfield (in regards to tagging). I am tempted by Stevens at M5 as I can save a few $$$ to spend else where. I am on the fence about having Danger in M5 at the moment with contract talks being put on hold.

Players I am considering for M5 are Danger, Ward (if I don't pick Danger and pick Sloane instead), Wines, Stevens.

I just really do like the look of Saint's first half of the season.
 

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It would be interesting to hear from Saints fans who is likely to be in their midfield (in regards to tagging). I am tempted by Stevens at M5 as I can save a few $$$ to spend else where. I am on the fence about having Danger in M5 at the moment with contract talks being put on hold.

Players I am considering for M5 are Danger, Ward (if I don't pick Danger and pick Sloane instead), Wines, Stevens.

I just really do like the look of Saint's first half of the season.
People say this, but they won the spoon last year so literally every team is better than them. Can't really justify Saints players based on their draw IMO, because they are still going to get pumped most weeks even by teams on the lower end of the ladder. However, picking him based on value still makes sense.
 
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