Opinion Questions For Rowsus
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Oz, considering there are a couple of players you are trying to keep quiet perhaps you should try getting yourself one of these: 
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In all seriousness, ummm, the guy had in the few years I been following here, the best rookie I can remember for Supercoach game. Forgetting experienced guys like Zorko, Greene for genuine rookie age player was averaging close to 100 in his very first season. That's nuts. Second season for some reason they played him out of midfield. Like David Swallow in same year it might have been some minor injury related thing that had them do that but. So last year he was nicely off the radar and then he had his off field issues getting in trouble and suspended for over a month. When he came back, lets just say his first season form was shown to be not a fluke and he stepped it up again. This will be his fourth year in system so a few pre-seasons in and mentally more mature after learning some lessons last year, he could be interesting. However, in all honesty only joking about keeping him quiet. Probably will not be in my team simply because it asking a lot to jump to 115 average so early in career. But I have no doubt he is capable of it. Just got to have the willingness to risk it if you want him in your SC team.
No doubt Rowsus will answer in full when he gets around to it. Should be interesting what the stats say. I don't follow them as closely but remember they were impressive in back end of last season. Had him in my FDL team and he helped me win the premiership when the likes of Fyfe, Rockliff, Stevie J and Marc Murphy were not in my grand final team. The kid can play. Griffen in midfield and others developing mean hard to predict exactly what each GWS mid will score this year. Treloar, Ward, Griffen, Greene, Shiel etc. is going to be sharing the load around. There are a few other young mids there capable of great things. Hence how Carlton managed to get Whiley for virtually nothing.
No doubt Rowsus will answer in full when he gets around to it. Should be interesting what the stats say. I don't follow them as closely but remember they were impressive in back end of last season. Had him in my FDL team and he helped me win the premiership when the likes of Fyfe, Rockliff, Stevie J and Marc Murphy were not in my grand final team. The kid can play. Griffen in midfield and others developing mean hard to predict exactly what each GWS mid will score this year. Treloar, Ward, Griffen, Greene, Shiel etc. is going to be sharing the load around. There are a few other young mids there capable of great things. Hence how Carlton managed to get Whiley for virtually nothing.
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Really depends on what the rest of your team looks like. Are you running any mid-pricers in the MID (i.e.: Wells, Rich)? Or are you going a straight 4/0/7 or 5/0/6?
Also, and for me specifically, I would want to be able to better identify the rookie prospects (especially in the DEF line), as this will determine whether or not I need an extra premium in DEF, and consequently, one less in the MID.
At this stage, I'm looking at 4/0/7, but realistically, I can see that going back to 5/0/6.
Also, and for me specifically, I would want to be able to better identify the rookie prospects (especially in the DEF line), as this will determine whether or not I need an extra premium in DEF, and consequently, one less in the MID.
At this stage, I'm looking at 4/0/7, but realistically, I can see that going back to 5/0/6.
Hey Rowsus i noticed Josh gibson most likely had a spike year this year in supercoach (92.5) was this due to him getting a new role because i think its a bit late in his career for him to break out, not sure if it was something with spangher or something but do you think that his average will continue with frawley joining the Hawks aswell now? or does Gibson still get the No.1 forward gig?
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Rating Player Club Position Trend Points
6 Brent Harvey North Melbourne Midfielder/Forward no-change 591.8
20 Steve Johnson Geelong Midfielder/Forward no-change 509.5
28 Dayne Zorko Brisbane Lions Midfielder/Forward no-change 482.5
36 Robbie Gray Port Adelaide Midfielder/Forward down 474.3
60 Shane Edwards Richmond Midfielder/Forward down 448.8
84 Matt White Port Adelaide Midfielder/Forward no-change 417.7
88 Dustin Martin Richmond Midfielder/Forward down 413.8
100 Danyle Pearce Fremantle Midfielder/Forward no-change 405.9
109 Cyril Rioli Hawthorn Midfielder/Forward down 395.3
141 David Zaharakis Essendon Midfielder/Forward up 366.2
144 Mitch Robinson Carlton Midfielder/Forward up 362.4
147 Lewis Jetta Sydney Swans Midfielder/Forward down 361.4
It is interesting however I do think Martin tends to be overrated by many people.
He is a very good kick but he still has a lot to work on his game to be really elite in my eyes.
I also think Shane Edwards is underrated so interesting in their own rating system he ranks higher overall.
No doubt Martin can have more impact with his kicking though and in Champion Data other system which SC is based on, Martin scores more points. Like cricket ratings system it does have a weighting system based on games played over certain amount of time. So it takes some time to climb ratings and also some time to fall. Rioli also suffers here a bit. Steve Johnson I suspect moves to pure midfield group when next updated but I cannot question Brent Harvey, Robbie Gray and Zorko as probably three best at this role.
6 Brent Harvey North Melbourne Midfielder/Forward no-change 591.8
20 Steve Johnson Geelong Midfielder/Forward no-change 509.5
28 Dayne Zorko Brisbane Lions Midfielder/Forward no-change 482.5
36 Robbie Gray Port Adelaide Midfielder/Forward down 474.3
60 Shane Edwards Richmond Midfielder/Forward down 448.8
84 Matt White Port Adelaide Midfielder/Forward no-change 417.7
88 Dustin Martin Richmond Midfielder/Forward down 413.8
100 Danyle Pearce Fremantle Midfielder/Forward no-change 405.9
109 Cyril Rioli Hawthorn Midfielder/Forward down 395.3
141 David Zaharakis Essendon Midfielder/Forward up 366.2
144 Mitch Robinson Carlton Midfielder/Forward up 362.4
147 Lewis Jetta Sydney Swans Midfielder/Forward down 361.4
It is interesting however I do think Martin tends to be overrated by many people.
He is a very good kick but he still has a lot to work on his game to be really elite in my eyes.
I also think Shane Edwards is underrated so interesting in their own rating system he ranks higher overall.
No doubt Martin can have more impact with his kicking though and in Champion Data other system which SC is based on, Martin scores more points. Like cricket ratings system it does have a weighting system based on games played over certain amount of time. So it takes some time to climb ratings and also some time to fall. Rioli also suffers here a bit. Steve Johnson I suspect moves to pure midfield group when next updated but I cannot question Brent Harvey, Robbie Gray and Zorko as probably three best at this role.
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Originally Posted by Grant
I had a dream overnight that Joel Selwood scored 55 and 52 in the first two matches of the season. I was whinging to somebody about picking him and checked his score for the third match of the season (surely I should have traded him out) and he was the 3rd ranked player in the 3rd quarter.
a) This is disturbing and a clear indication I think about Supercoach too much.
b) I don't believe Selwood scoring so poorly twice in a row is possible, although I have had other sporting related dreams become true. I once had a dream that I was in the mounting yard discussing my surprise at a long shot winning the Emirates Stakes, although no horses name was mentioned. It was in 2007 and Tears I Cry won at $61 (I backed another long shot in reality so it was quite irritating).
Response by Ricky Bobby:
Sometimes your subconscious brain can assemble various bits of information from different sources and present it in a logical format as a dream. It can also manifest as a hunch or educated guess. These can sometimes be quite accurate and so I think it is always worthwhile to think about whether there is any sound reasoning or facts behind the dream or hunch.
For this reason I thought I would have a quick look at SC Gold to see if it was projecting low scores for Selwood in the first few rounds. As it turns out, the projections look quite good so I guess this wasn't the source. It did get me to thinking however about the accuracy of the SC Gold weekly projections and whether they are any good or not. I seem to remember Rowsus a while ago making some comment about them not being very good but I can't remember exactly what he said. I would be interested to know whether anyone uses the SC Gold weekly projections and whether they have found them to be reliable or not. If you don't use SC Gold, then what do you use?
I may also copy this post to the Questions for Rowsus thread as I'm sure he will have some thoughts on this matter.
I had a dream overnight that Joel Selwood scored 55 and 52 in the first two matches of the season. I was whinging to somebody about picking him and checked his score for the third match of the season (surely I should have traded him out) and he was the 3rd ranked player in the 3rd quarter.
a) This is disturbing and a clear indication I think about Supercoach too much.
b) I don't believe Selwood scoring so poorly twice in a row is possible, although I have had other sporting related dreams become true. I once had a dream that I was in the mounting yard discussing my surprise at a long shot winning the Emirates Stakes, although no horses name was mentioned. It was in 2007 and Tears I Cry won at $61 (I backed another long shot in reality so it was quite irritating).
Response by Ricky Bobby:
Sometimes your subconscious brain can assemble various bits of information from different sources and present it in a logical format as a dream. It can also manifest as a hunch or educated guess. These can sometimes be quite accurate and so I think it is always worthwhile to think about whether there is any sound reasoning or facts behind the dream or hunch.
For this reason I thought I would have a quick look at SC Gold to see if it was projecting low scores for Selwood in the first few rounds. As it turns out, the projections look quite good so I guess this wasn't the source. It did get me to thinking however about the accuracy of the SC Gold weekly projections and whether they are any good or not. I seem to remember Rowsus a while ago making some comment about them not being very good but I can't remember exactly what he said. I would be interested to know whether anyone uses the SC Gold weekly projections and whether they have found them to be reliable or not. If you don't use SC Gold, then what do you use?
I may also copy this post to the Questions for Rowsus thread as I'm sure he will have some thoughts on this matter.
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"Freud (1900) considered dreams to be the royal road to the unconscious as it is in dreams that the ego's defenses are lowered so that some of the repressed material comes through to awareness, albeit in distorted form.
Dreams perform important functions for the unconscious mind and serve as valuable clues to how the unconscious mind operates."
Dreams perform important functions for the unconscious mind and serve as valuable clues to how the unconscious mind operates."
Rowsus,
I was wondering if you (or anyone for that matter) had collated some stats around total average team Supercoach points across the 2014 season (i.e.: Hawthorn averaged 1,800 per game, St Kilda averaged 1,500 per game, etc.).
I would like to be able to use this data to analyse how easy / hard a team's draw is this year against what their opponents scored in Supercoach points (and not necessarily on ladder position).
I was wondering if you (or anyone for that matter) had collated some stats around total average team Supercoach points across the 2014 season (i.e.: Hawthorn averaged 1,800 per game, St Kilda averaged 1,500 per game, etc.).
I would like to be able to use this data to analyse how easy / hard a team's draw is this year against what their opponents scored in Supercoach points (and not necessarily on ladder position).
Happydays, they are definitely 2 players everyone would love to have the answer to that question on.
Goddard seems to be in a slight decline, and I guess it could continue. I have him pegged for 20 games at around the 98/game area. That probably makes him a top 8 Fwd.
Swan represents an even bigger problem. We know he can start a season slow, and build into it. Having said that, "slow" for him was 112/game, then coming home the latter half of the season in 130. He's coming off another shortened pre-season, so we can expect him to start slowish again. The problem is, he's starting at such a low price (86.4), that he could quickly and easily become a regrettable omission. "Slow" might be 90's, with the odd 110 thrown in. To further complicate the issue, you have last years "fake out" to deal with as well. He started 89, 65, 70 then throws in 116, 122, 143 in his next 3 games. This convinced a great number of us that Swan was back. Very heavily traded in around the byes, he never cracked 100 again for the season. In fact he only averaged around 78 after that 143! So here we are stuck with so many decisions. Do we jump on the 2nd best SC player of all time, at a seemingly ridiculous price? Do we wait for a positive sign, and risk him quickly rising in price, putting us at a distinct disadvantage to those that started with him? Do we jump on him with the first positive sign, trying to avoid paying too much for him later, only to have him "fake" us out again? If you can answer these questions you have avoided a headache we all face.
Right now, I won't be starting with him. The combination of Collingwood declining, Swan getting more and more wear and tear problems that shorten his preseasons, and his just too dramatic decline last season (yes, I traded him in, and got stung), has me too wary. If I was to guess, I think he may play around 18-19 games, score at around 85-88 early, have a flurry at some stage, then cool off again. Right now I'm thinking he might average somewhere around 90-92, which with only 18-19 games puts him just outside what you might be hoping for in a F6 Keeper.
That opinion could obviously change when we have more info.
Goddard seems to be in a slight decline, and I guess it could continue. I have him pegged for 20 games at around the 98/game area. That probably makes him a top 8 Fwd.
Swan represents an even bigger problem. We know he can start a season slow, and build into it. Having said that, "slow" for him was 112/game, then coming home the latter half of the season in 130. He's coming off another shortened pre-season, so we can expect him to start slowish again. The problem is, he's starting at such a low price (86.4), that he could quickly and easily become a regrettable omission. "Slow" might be 90's, with the odd 110 thrown in. To further complicate the issue, you have last years "fake out" to deal with as well. He started 89, 65, 70 then throws in 116, 122, 143 in his next 3 games. This convinced a great number of us that Swan was back. Very heavily traded in around the byes, he never cracked 100 again for the season. In fact he only averaged around 78 after that 143! So here we are stuck with so many decisions. Do we jump on the 2nd best SC player of all time, at a seemingly ridiculous price? Do we wait for a positive sign, and risk him quickly rising in price, putting us at a distinct disadvantage to those that started with him? Do we jump on him with the first positive sign, trying to avoid paying too much for him later, only to have him "fake" us out again? If you can answer these questions you have avoided a headache we all face.
Right now, I won't be starting with him. The combination of Collingwood declining, Swan getting more and more wear and tear problems that shorten his preseasons, and his just too dramatic decline last season (yes, I traded him in, and got stung), has me too wary. If I was to guess, I think he may play around 18-19 games, score at around 85-88 early, have a flurry at some stage, then cool off again. Right now I'm thinking he might average somewhere around 90-92, which with only 18-19 games puts him just outside what you might be hoping for in a F6 Keeper.
That opinion could obviously change when we have more info.
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