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Hey bd,
I think anfa summed it up pretty well.
I agree, he's a must have. In general, I don't think it's advisable to pay top dollar for trade ins. That's for the pre-season selections. The only exceptions I would make, is the very top shelf of each line. Gray meets that exception. He should be F1 from everything we've seen so far, and if you wait for him to drop to $550k or lower, you might possibly never have him. Having said that, you have got this far without him, and $600k is a lot pay for any player, particularly a non-Mid. I think you either get him now, or you nearly have to wait until after his bye, as being a Rnd 13 bye player, he can't/shouldn't be traded in during the byes.
Thanks rowan, I don't normally like paying top dollar for a trade in either but it seems he is a must have.

Have played with my trades and the side looks better with him in.

I might have got this far without him but not by having a good team.

VDB and Salem out, Gray & Lever in, hopefully my team is now moving forward but at least it shouldn't be moving further backwards.
 

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Hi row
Thanks for your advice last week I traded Sloane out for jpk as I have a tough run of matches in the league for the next 4 weeks and most people that had Sloane in the league traded Sloane. If I didn't trade Sloane last week I would have been down a player. So thanks for the advice. I have a new question I would like to trade in rocky I would like to trade him in this week for mr griffen. Griffen has been nothing but poor in thr last 7 weeks. He has a be of 127 and it's highly unlikely he will get that. I know it's sideways trading do you think it's a good idea to trade griffen for rocky. I was considering one of my Rookies but they are not ripped. Do you think I should wait another week and trade rocky to a rookie. I was considering making another trade lever to mcintosh? Do you think i should wait for another defender and save a trade. Mcintosh has a round 11 bye that works for me. Lever bye is not good but I don't want to lose money on mcintosh. As always i appreciate your thoughts and enjoy reading your responses to everyone's questions.
Hi Ad,
it looks like a good decision on Sloane. I hope you got the win.
Firstly on McIntosh/Lever, they are both both Rnd 11 bye players, so I'm not sure how McIntosh suits your structure better. If you have the trade free, I would probably do it, but if Lonie is picked you might have to trade him out first.
I can't see Griffen scoring 105-110/game from Round 8 on, so using him to get Rocky looks more corrective than sideways to me. Dump him before he loses any more value, and becomes untradeable, I would think.
 

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Gidday Rowsus,

Need some help please. I have 20 trades left and $19800 in the bank. Pretty happy with my team (excl defence like many others) however I have Sloane sitting on my bench. I originally planned to keep him there and was going to do a dg/ug of Vberg/Lonie to Lever/Rocky this week and stop trading until byes. However I'm a few grand short and also I'm not sure about the Lever option. So I'm wondering what's the best move. I'm also very conscious of bye rounds now and need to prepare for round 12 as I'm short a few players.

So here are my potential options:
1. Vberg/Clark to Lever/Rocky (hold Lonie)
2. Sloane/Vberg to Rocky/Lever or De Goey and bank $200k odd
Or left field
3. Sloane/Cripps to Rocky/Parker leaving $1500 in the bank and potential bye trouble but two guns in at their cheapest price.

So confused mate, any help would be appreciated! Or hoping you might see another option?
Thanks in advance!

Edit: Hey Row, thinking about just going Sloane to Rocky and keeping rookies for now.
G'day ****,
if one or both of Lonie/Vdb are picked this week, then they should be traded out. If Lonie isn't picked, which I think is likely, then use Sloane. I think Sloane is very likely to take a game or three to hit is stride on his return anyway, so keeping him could lead to further disappointment in the first few weeks when he's back anyway.
I understand you hesitance on Lever, though hopefully Jaensch going out will help his situation. I'm not too keen on Parker though. He averages just over 100 in the last season and a bit when both JPK/Hannebery play, and 120 in the 9 games where one or the other missed the game. He's priced to be a bargain, but I'm not sure he will consistently score high enough, unless one of them gets unjured. That counts even more so with Titchell clouding the waters, too. Yes, they were all there on the weekend, but that was only one game (and what a cracker of a game he played!).
 

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Rowsus you absolute dead set legend.
A pondering a particular tactical approach to supercoach I don't think is discussed a whole lot (I think many do it subconsciously) and I think makes sense.

I'm going with the plan of picking value players early on before focusing my final trades to pick the top players that I don't have. The advantages are three fold:
1.) More Data: More obviously by picking the top players at the end you have added confidence that they will continue to perform because of more knowledge and games watched throughout the year. One might say you are loosing points by bringing them in late which brings me to the second point.
2.) Points for Cash: By picking value keepers early that say may be 2-3 players or 2-5 points outside the top 6-8 you are getting the same amount or a tad less points for a much cheaper player. Meaning in turn you use left over funds to invest in another value player.
Eg.) The Goddard Vs Mitchell conundrum
Say Titch 405k averages 100 and Goddard 535k averages 106.
You can uses that 120k to find extra 6 points on ground easily. Such an approach later in the year is less beneficial as a fully upgraded team will yield less opportunities to utilise the 120k to advantage.
3.) Safety Mechanism: If by R14 (just after the bye) injury has decimated your team and little trades remain one would feel more comfortable relying upon as little rookies as possible. Also the "value" of these premiums nets you extra points. Also with player resting as it is now a few extra trades could cover a donut net you 100 points and overcome any points loss prior.

Of course I don't mean take ridiculous risks with midpricers. This only works for value keepers.
I have picked Zeiball (390k), Mitchell (405k) and intend to pick Rocky (450k) this week and B Smith, and Selwood in the relatively near future. Leaving players such as Mcdonald who is a "must have" to later as the final touch to my team.

Of course by doing so you run the risk of stocking too heavily on slightly below par players and have to waste trades to bring in the cream. As always, pre planning to ensure the proper balance is crucial.

That being said the winner last year had pretty much the top 6 forwards, defenders, top 2 rucks and top 8 midfielders. However I'm sure he picked up at least a few of them at good value.

Please confirm this isn't complete kaboodle
McC, not too sure about the "legend" bit, but thanks anyway! :)
The thing you refer to a the very end is the key to it all. There's a very fine line, or balancing act, we try to navigate in SC. We need to buy low/cheap, to save trades and money, but we need to buy well, too. What you have said is correct, but can be taken too far. It's one thing to buy 4 "bargain" Mids at say $450k each, that return say 105-108/game, but that won't give you a competitive team. They're performing 15-20% better than their buy-in price, but now you have 4 Mids in your team that would be classified as M7/8, and you are losing 8 to 12 points/Round to those Coaches with better performing M5/6's. Do a similar thing in your other lines, and you will have completed your team quicker, and probably have used a trade or three less, than other Coaches, but you will be losing 40-50 pts/Round to those Coaches, who may complete their teams a week or two, and a trade or three, later than you, but will quickly over haul your early point advantage.
It's one thing to think you might "fix" these slight under performers later, with the trades you saved by buying in at good prices, but the problem is, by my estimate, buying "smart" will save you half a trade. Do it 6 times, and save 3 trades, but what if you have to fix 3 or 4 of those 6, because you are leaking too many points? It's likely you need three trades to fix each pair of these of value picks. One trade to make the cash for the "fix", and one trade for each of the pair you will fix. So if you saved 3 trades by building your team this way, you actually need 4 out of 6 of these value picks to be performing well enough to be kept, because it will cost you the 3 saved trades to fix the other 2 players! By all means, take the bargains when they are there, but if they are turning into Stepping Stones, rather than Keepers, they are more like a millstone around your neck! Unless you have shopped really well in your initial team, you can't afford to be using a handful of Stepping Stones in your trading. You might survive one or two, any more than that, and it is likely you end up with a compromised team. Stepping Stones are for your initial team, not for your trading.
In theory: Start with 14 Keepers, and you need to make 8 upgrades to fill your team. You probably lose 3 or 4 Keepers to injury, and another 2 or 3 because they underperformed. So you might only end up with say 7 or 8 of your starting Keepers still in your team come seasons end. Just to demonstrate this point, Jay had 15 Keepers in his starting squad in his winning year. We had a 10% higher budget that year, as we had 33 players not 30. He ended up with 11 of those Keepers in his final team, and one of those 11 went out, then back in again. Keeping in mind, that was the winning team, it's not unreasonable to say most teams might end up with say 8 out of 14 starting Keepers in their final team. So we have 8 out of our final starting 22 nailed down, and need to find 14 more. Let's say we identified the 3 underperformers early on, and used 4.5 trades to replace the 3 of them. Let's also assume your injured players needed a bit of cash to replace them, and you used 4 trades to replace those. You also used 3 trades early correcting Rookies etc. You now have used 11.5 trades, and you still only have 14 Keepers in your team. Not every trade can be one up/one down, even if you are buying well as you suggest. There just aren't enough Cripps/Millers/Oxleys in any given year to do that. Those 8 upgrades might cost you 16 trades, but could cost you more. Let's use your "bargain" plan, and say they cost you 14. You've now filled your starting 22, and used 25.5 trades. This has assumed you used 5 or 6 bargain picks. You can see if 2 of them fail to reach genuine Keeper level, you will burn 3 trades to fix them. You've now got 1.5 trades left, and you are hoping like hell your other 3 or 4 "bargains" can carry the team, up against other teams that have "genuine" D5/M7/F5's not a clump of D6/M8/F6's.
As I said right at the start, you walk a fine line. You need to buy low, but you need to buy well, too! The opposite happens to those Coaches that follow the flavours of the month, and pay $50-$100k too much for their D3-4/M3-5/F3-4. They use their cash too quickly, and can't farm enough Cows too fill their team. They end the season with 2 or 3 Rookie/Midpricer types still on the field, and little or no bench cover! The Coaches that can balance these 2 things, buying cheap, but buying smart, are the ones at the pointy end of the leaders board, come seasons end.

In summary, it's not kaboodle at all. You just need to temper these picks. Don't try for too many, as they need a success rate of around 65-70% to be considered a successful strategy. That applies to Stepping Stones taken in initial teams, too!
 
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Hey Rowsus. I was hoping to be able to go V'berg to Rocky with one trade but have just fallen short. So in order to reach him I was going to trade out Heeney. I figure my two options are Lever, or raise a bit more cash by bringing in Adamson as a FD. I am leaning towards the latter purely for the extra cash generated and the benefit of a FD is a bonus.

Just wanted to get your opinion if this is a sound trade. I have 21 trades and $110,400. Thanks for your time.
 

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Rowsus,

As i have said before, never changed my team based on someone elses opinion! Did for the first time this pre season, panicked last minute whilst in Vietnam and fitted Swallow in to my midfield.

Surely you are either off him now, or a jumping ship as we speak?
 
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Hi Rowsus
My team is in "free fall" at the moment. Over the past month have gone from a ranking of 3K, to 10K to 14K and now 19K.

My team is:

Simpson, B Smith, Newnes, Lumumba, Oxley, Saad (McIntosh, McKenzie)
Fyfe, Pendles, JPK, Gray, Selwood, Miller, Vandenberg, N Krakouer (CEY, Heeney, Glen)
Goldy, Maric (Read)
Swan, Goddard, D Martin, Bontempelli, Tarrant, Clark (Salem, Lonie)

$26,600 in the bank.

My defence is leaking points like a sieve, but at the moment thinking of keeping Oxley and Saad as they are both in my top 3 average defenders!!!

Could go VDB to Lever (McKenzie to mids) and Salem to T Mitchell (leaves me with $42,700 left over but now I have 14 round 12 bye players)
Could do McIntosh to Lever and VDB to Rocky, leaves me with 3,800 but not sure to wait another week on Rocky.
Could get Yeo instead of Rocky but not sure if he will continue to play in the midfield or can sustain this scoring spurt.
If I trade out Heeney for Lever I have $423,000 and not enough to upgrade to anyone.
Trading out Lumumba is a bit sideways so not sure if that is the thing to do either.

As always I welcome your comments. I just need to stop this "free falling" of my team.

Kindest regards

Lobo
 

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Hi Rowsus,

Hoping you could give me your two cents on what is the best trade scenario!

a) Oxley down to Schade (think his JS is a bit better than Levers) then upgrade Miller/Sheed to Ward

b) Oxley to Schade, then Miller/Sheed to Rockliff

c) Oxley to Schade, then Sloane down to Rockliff

Cheers in advance!
 
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Hi Ad,
it looks like a good decision on Sloane. I hope you got the win.
Firstly on McIntosh/Lever, they are both both Rnd 11 bye players, so I'm not sure how McIntosh suits your structure better. If you have the trade free, I would probably do it, but if Lonie is picked you might have to trade him out first.
I can't see Griffen scoring 105-110/game from Round 8 on, so using him to get Rocky looks more corrective than sideways to me. Dump him before he loses any more value, and becomes untradeable, I would think.
Thanks row for your advice I will execute the Griffen to rocky trade. In your opinion is it best to go lever to mcintosh as my second trade or trade Cripps to someone like Priddis, Shiel, beams, or someone else. Or hold the second trade. My initial thoughts is the first option and consider my options and possibly aim at getting someone like a Lewis next week or delideo or the players that I mentioned about. What are your thoughts?
 

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Hey Row

I posted the below in another thread. Just wanted your thoughts on it. Unfortunately I am short in coin to go Lumumba and Vanders to Yeo and Rocky. The only way I can get the two is if I use Cripps but I dont really want to trade him.

Thanks!


I think I am on my own here but I think he can be a keeper. A few stats from his last 4 games..

Disposals: 23.25
Tackles: 5.75
Clearances: 6.25
Contested Poss: 15.75
Contested Poss %: 67.53
SC Pts: 112.75
SC Pts / 100% TOG: 143.63

Granted that monster game he had has boosted those stats a bit but the way he plays he is capable of those big games. He will only be getting more time in the middle especially the way the blues are travelling so unless really drops off I will be looking to keep him in my side.
 

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Hey Rowsus

Is Lever a must have rookie? Was originally planning on going Brayshaw -> Rocky and Lonie -> Lever, but then I realised I could go Sloane (who I was likely to trade next week) -> Rocky and Cripps -> to Stevie J. Do you think this would be a better move? Mitch Duncan out for 10-12 weeks can only mean good things for Stevie. I think a lot of it relies on Lonie not playing this week, which hopefully he doesn't. The 2nd option also leaves me with 100k for future upgrades, as opposed to the first option leaving me with <10k.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
Hey MrM,
as an isolated case, Lever doesn't appear to be a must have. He may turn that around, and become a regular 80-90 scorer, but right now he's not. What might possibly make him a must have, is the lack of Cash Cows on the horizon, and the lack of downgrade targets available.
I'm on the "please don't play this week, Lonie" bus, too. It would make trading so much easier. While we are at it, Vdb could have a week of too! I'm not 100% sold on SJ's chances of going 110+ from here, but we know he has the ability to do it, when on fire. You might be right about Duncan opening that door for him. If you are cinfident you have your Cash making needs covered, you may as well role the dice on SJ, otherwise, you might need to take Lever.
 

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Hey Rowsus hows it going? Just wondering which mid prems you think would be the best with round 11 bye. already have rocky, Thinking S.Mitchell, Beams, Bont or Dahl?
Thanks
Hey Johnsy,
Mitchell is still likely to miss games, and/or get rested, I wouldn't rate him too highly. Beams I rate, but I'm not sure Bont has earnt a Prem tag yet, neither has Dahl, but I think I'd rather Dahl than Bont.
Adelaide - Danger's a chance to take off, and I like Jacobs, but more from Rnd 14 on. Sloane should be ok, biut I would want to leave him until he has had 2 or 3 games back from his injury.
Richmond - Houli and/or Rance could make the best Defs list fro Rnds 8-23, Martin should be a top 8 Fwd, Maric is an outside chance for top 3 Ruck, and if Cotchin play like he did on the weekend, like the 2012 version of Cotchin, he'd be a monty, but I'm not sure he can/will.
Bulldogs - Dahlhaus, maybe, Murphy more likely.
Brisbane - Beams and Martin highly probable, Zorko maybe.
Carlton - Docherty and Simpson some sort of chance.
Hawthorn - Lewis, Roughead, Birchall and Burgoyne are some chance. Hodge and Mitchell will miss games and get managed, affecting their PIT averages.
 

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Hi Rowsus

Have to make a big decision this week... and it is in regards to which line I have to work on.

So my backline is so bare at the moment... and I was wondering if I should bring in Yeo for N.Brown. I have $432k (after doing a mandatory Vandenberg to Lever trade) and want to save some money next week to bring in Rock and Buddy or Selwood.

So I'm wondering what your opinion was in terms of going for a risky pick like Yeo, or going for someone like Heater Shaw (which I would have to use Saad to trade for).

Yeo was brought to my attention on the "trades" thread and has made me really think about him. Initially I was planning on doing either a "Lonie to Franklin or Lonie to Rockliff" trade this week and have enough money to bring in the other player (rock or buddy) and selwood next week. But my backline is so bare at the moment it worries me.

Bringing in Buddy would complete my forward line for now, but mean I have to play 3 midfield rookies still... bringing in Rock would mean I can play 2 mid rookies and Tarrant. Bringing in Yeo would sure up the backline but would mean I wouldn't be able to get either Buddy or Selwood next week and they would have to wait.

If Saad plays, I may play him and not bring in Yeo, but if he doesn't... what do you think my best option is?
Hi w2Tk,
I think you are crazy for contemplating trading Saad out. I think if you go down that road, you'd be better to hold Saad, and trade Lumumba out! He's averaging 8 less than Saad, and is priced $78k higher.
Yeo's definitely a risky pick. He scored very poorly before his Mid shift, and with Selwood (and Rosa) to come back, he might revert to that poor scoring role again. At least with a low B/E you can have some sort of exit plan if he goes back to a defensive role.
Shaw has been doing, but he is Shaw. You'd think it is likely he will miss 2 or 3 games somewhere along the line, though given the Def woes we're having, that might be acceptable this season. Buddy too, has a history of missed games/management problems late in the season.
I'd probably work on your back line. Heater is the safer pick, but Yeo might have more upside, miss less games, and costs quite a bit less. It just depends on how lucky you feel!
 

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Hey Rowsus. I was hoping to be able to go V'berg to Rocky with one trade but have just fallen short. So in order to reach him I was going to trade out Heeney. I figure my two options are Lever, or raise a bit more cash by bringing in Adamson as a FD. I am leaning towards the latter purely for the extra cash generated and the benefit of a FD is a bonus.

Just wanted to get your opinion if this is a sound trade. I have 21 trades and $110,400. Thanks for your time.
Hey Bobbie,
if you think you have enough, or will have enough, fund raising options, get Adamson, otherwise, if you have any doubts in that area, get Lever.
 
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Hey Johnsy,
Mitchell is still likely to miss games, and/or get rested, I wouldn't rate him too highly. Beams I rate, but I'm not sure Bont has earnt a Prem tag yet, neither has Dahl, but I think I'd rather Dahl than Bont.
Adelaide - Danger's a chance to take off, and I like Jacobs, but more from Rnd 14 on. Sloane should be ok, biut I would want to leave him until he has had 2 or 3 games back from his injury.
Richmond - Houli and/or Rance could make the best Defs list fro Rnds 8-23, Martin should be a top 8 Fwd, Maric is an outside chance for top 3 Ruck, and if Cotchin play like he did on the weekend, like the 2012 version of Cotchin, he'd be a monty, but I'm not sure he can/will.
Bulldogs - Dahlhaus, maybe, Murphy more likely.
Brisbane - Beams and Martin highly probable, Zorko maybe.
Carlton - Docherty and Simpson some sort of chance.
Hawthorn - Lewis, Roughead, Birchall and Burgoyne are some chance. Hodge and Mitchell will miss games and get managed, affecting their PIT averages.
Thanks so much for your help Row, think i may trade Miller - Danger soon or beams depending on who does better from now
 
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H Rowsus

Thanks for answering my question above. I was just wondering if I can ask you one more regarding floating donuts.

From what I can see, Adamson, Payne and Steele are chances of being possible floating donut options. I've heard Adamson named many times but nothing about Payne from St kilda, why would that be? Saints play a hell of a lot of Sunday games in the 2nd half of the season, so wouldn't that make him a good option. Steele not so much, because I believe he will get games at some time for gws.

If I already have midfield links to both defence and forward (McKenzie and Krakouer in the midfield), would it be a smarter move to add either Adamson or payne to the defence and backline and not the midfield?
Also, is it an unwise move to have more than one floating donut at years end? Is that flirting with danger to have both payne and Adamson towards the end of the year?
 
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Hey Rowsus,

Probably gonna go with the flow this week and bring in Rocky but just wondering for who.
It's out of Lonie, Vandenberg or Heeney providing VB and Lonie both play.
Obviously Heeney will not lose cash but Lonie and VB both will.
If I use VB then it leaves me cash leftover of $100K plus where as Lonie will not leave much at all.
Only really want to use the one trade at this stage as I do not see where the $100K leftover from VB could be used.
Do I go with Vandeberg or Lonie?

By the way..cheers for the Blicavs suggestion..enough to get me over the line against you..:p
 
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Hi Rowsus,

Back again for this week edition of trade wisdom...

Will do an upgrade in the midfield this week, not sure whether I should use the other upgrade in DEF or FWD?

Currently, have 4 Keepers in those lines but with B Smith missing, leaves defence a little exposed to Rookies. I can either trade Oxley to a DEF premium or swing Higgins back and get a FWD premium.

I'm leaning towards bringing in a FWD premium at this stage as I believe this will give me the best structure going forward. Interested in your thoughts as to which way I should go?

Also, have decided to skip on Lever as my team don't really have a need for another DEF rookie cash cow and I believe my current rookie stock should enable me to upgrade my team without too much fuss. Can you have a peak at the team and let me know whether I'm dreaming or not?

As always, your feedback and comment is greatly appreciated!
 
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Hey Rowsus, i was set on bringing in Rockliff this week from weeks ago but now having second thoughts.

Im now thinking of bringing in Treloar this week instead seeing as his BE is only 53 and then bringing in Rocky next week.

Don't have that much rookies making money atm so want to try save as much cash as i can. Do you think Treloar this week then Rocky next week will be the better option?

Assuming Rocky gets 130 this week, is it right to say his price will jump by $22000 and end on $469,000?

Who would you take out of the 2 if you had to chose for this game week?
Thanks!
 
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