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Which of the following apply to your current team? (multiple choice)

  • Starting with Libba (no Crouch or JOM)

    Votes: 92 38.7%
  • Starting with Libba + Crouch (no JOM)

    Votes: 69 29.0%
  • Starting with Libba + Crouch + JOM

    Votes: 15 6.3%
  • Full GnR (no mid pricers)

    Votes: 19 8.0%
  • GnR + Libba (1 mid pricer in Libba only)

    Votes: 44 18.5%
  • Set and forget rucks

    Votes: 97 40.8%
  • Ruck cover (R/F in your forwardline)

    Votes: 45 18.9%
  • Spending big (starting 3 or more of Shaw/Fyfe/Goldy/Lids/Joey)

    Votes: 37 15.5%
  • Spending less (starting 1 or less of Shaw/Fyfe/Goldy/Lids/Joey)

    Votes: 70 29.4%
  • I will be starting with all 4 of Fyfe/ Ablett/Pendles/Rockliff

    Votes: 46 19.3%
  • Planning to start a POD no one has spoken about

    Votes: 43 18.1%

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If you want negative it'd be that your team is simply way too speculative. I can count about 8-10 players in your squad who come with a decent amount of risk.

History suggests that most of these players won't kick on and that you'll have quite a few corrective trades to make early.

I'd suggest trying to lower your number of gambles to 2-3 at the most and take your risks during the season when they can be much more calculated.
 
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If you want negative it'd be that your team is simply way too speculative. I can count about 8-10 players in your squad who come with a decent amount of risk.

History suggests that most of these players won't kick on and that you'll have quite a few corrective trades to make early.

I'd suggest trying to lower your number of gambles to 2-3 at the most and take your risks during the season when they can be much more calculated.
I think 8-10 is high. Who are you talking about?
 
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I think 8-10 is high. Who are you talking about?
Outside of the rookies I can can see 6:

KK (not yet proven)
Rich (inconsistent)
Smith B (inconsistent)
Mumford (major injury risk)
Wells (injury/consistency)
Tippett (consistency/role questions)

I'm thinking about Tippett as well, and was thinking about Smith, but can't bring myself to go with Mumford, who never plays a whole season through injury or suspension.
 
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Outside of the rookies I can can see 6:

KK (not yet proven)
Rich (inconsistent)
Smith B (inconsistent)
Mumford (major injury risk)
Wells (injury/consistency)
Tippett (consistency/role questions)
I tried to pick up guys who had an explainable reason why they should improve on last year. KK is well documented. Rocket came out and said he was played out of position in the early stages of last year and his scores reflect an improvement when he was back in his natural role. His end to 2015 was very promising, and he also has some pretty big names to come back into the side (Ablett, O'Mera, Swallow, Prestia). You could argue they will steal his points, I think for a third year player having those guys back in the middle will help him. He is more of a half back than a mid.

Rich is similar. He has guys like Beams, Rocky, Hanley to return. His lowest average for a season was 78 in his second year. He had a barnstorming pre season last year and opened his account with scores of 126, 100 and 93. He's speculative and had a pretty inconsistent 2015, so he's another wait and see but he can go big and I think he has it in him to have a 90-100 season. He's typically been an 80-90 player over his career. Week on week his scores have been inconsistent, but over a season he has been remarkably consistent year on year.

Wells only came into my team this morning as an expensive place holder. Waiting to see how he performs in the NAB cup.

B Smith is an easy one. Concussions cruelled him. His disposal count was still 20+ but his disposal efficiency was well down. I would be more concerned if he just wasn't finding the pill

Mumford - point taken. I have a love affair with the guy. I have Goldstein as my rock and have taken a deliberate risk with Mummy as opposed to someone like Jacobs. Stef Martin is the like for like replacement, but discounting his last 12-18 months his durability across his career has also been quite poor. Tippett is in the side as opposed to Franklin as ruck cover for Mummy.

That's my pre season justification anyway!
 
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I tried to pick up guys who had an explainable reason why they should improve on last year. KK is well documented. Rocket came out and said he was played out of position in the early stages of last year and his scores reflect an improvement when he was back in his natural role. His end to 2015 was very promising, and he also has some pretty big names to come back into the side (Ablett, O'Mera, Swallow, Prestia). You could argue they will steal his points, I think for a third year player having those guys back in the middle will help him. He is more of a half back than a mid.

Rich is similar. He has guys like Beams, Rocky, Hanley to return. His lowest average for a season was 78 in his second year. He had a barnstorming pre season last year and opened his account with scores of 126, 100 and 93. He's speculative and had a pretty inconsistent 2015, so he's another wait and see but he can go big and I think he has it in him to have a 90-100 season. He's typically been an 80-90 player over his career. Week on week his scores have been inconsistent, but over a season he has been remarkably consistent year on year.

Wells only came into my team this morning as an expensive place holder. Waiting to see how he performs in the NAB cup.

B Smith is an easy one. Concussions cruelled him. His disposal count was still 20+ but his disposal efficiency was well down. I would be more concerned if he just wasn't finding the pill

Mumford - point taken. I have a love affair with the guy. I have Goldstein as my rock and have taken a deliberate risk with Mummy as opposed to someone like Jacobs. Stef Martin is the like for like replacement, but discounting his last 12-18 months his durability across his career has also been quite poor. Tippett is in the side as opposed to Franklin as ruck cover for Mummy.

That's my pre season justification anyway!
I don't necessarily dislike your side but playing devils advocate here could you select Jacobs and say Boomer instead of Mumford and Tippett.

Decreases risk and probably gives you the same average but on history should give you a 20-22 game player instead of a 13-18.
 
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I tried to pick up guys who had an explainable reason why they should improve on last year. KK is well documented. Rocket came out and said he was played out of position in the early stages of last year and his scores reflect an improvement when he was back in his natural role. His end to 2015 was very promising, and he also has some pretty big names to come back into the side (Ablett, O'Mera, Swallow, Prestia). You could argue they will steal his points, I think for a third year player having those guys back in the middle will help him. He is more of a half back than a mid.

Rich is similar. He has guys like Beams, Rocky, Hanley to return. His lowest average for a season was 78 in his second year. He had a barnstorming pre season last year and opened his account with scores of 126, 100 and 93. He's speculative and had a pretty inconsistent 2015, so he's another wait and see but he can go big and I think he has it in him to have a 90-100 season. He's typically been an 80-90 player over his career. Week on week his scores have been inconsistent, but over a season he has been remarkably consistent year on year.

Wells only came into my team this morning as an expensive place holder. Waiting to see how he performs in the NAB cup.

B Smith is an easy one. Concussions cruelled him. His disposal count was still 20+ but his disposal efficiency was well down. I would be more concerned if he just wasn't finding the pill

Mumford - point taken. I have a love affair with the guy. I have Goldstein as my rock and have taken a deliberate risk with Mummy as opposed to someone like Jacobs. Stef Martin is the like for like replacement, but discounting his last 12-18 months his durability across his career has also been quite poor. Tippett is in the side as opposed to Franklin as ruck cover for Mummy.

That's my pre season justification anyway!

Yep, I reckon they're good points on all mentioned players. I guess what you have to weigh up is how many of them you want to risk in one team - ie. how many of the justifications will come to fruition. That's the tricky bit. I reckon the way you're approaching it isn't a bad strategy though. There's still plenty of time to make those choices.
 
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I don't necessarily dislike your side but playing devils advocate here could you select Jacobs and say Boomer instead of Mumford and Tippett.

Decreases risk and probably gives you the same average but on history should give you a 20-22 game player instead of a 13-18.
Fair. I don't know why I am so heavily against Boomer. I'd love to say it's because he's old, but I think I just dislike him as a player which doesn't gel well in terms of logic and strategy hey.


Yep, I reckon they're good points on all mentioned players. I guess what you have to weigh up is how many of them you want to risk in one team - ie. how many of the justifications will come to fruition. That's the tricky bit. I reckon the way you're approaching it isn't a bad strategy though. There's still plenty of time to make those choices.
Point taken. If they all came good, I'd be on fire. History says some will get back to their best, others will struggle and I have just wasted too much money trying to nail all of the come back kids at once.

So now my difficult task is to decide which ones I like the least. At the moment it seems like trying to pick your favorite kid.
 
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I think 8-10 is high. Who are you talking about?
Kolo, Bartell, Rich, Smith, Ward, Mitchell, Liberatore, Mumford, Tippett and Wells all come with varying degrees of risk and question marks. It's fairly unlikely that any more than 50% at the most will be amongst the top players in their positions.

I can't pick which ones will or won't fail but when you take that many risks you're going to experience headaches. I'd recommend checking out the starting teams of the winner's in previous seasons. They're usually full of very safe picks with maybe one speculative pick in the whole squad. They take their risks with aggressive trading when there's more information to base risks on.
 
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Kolo, Bartell, Rich, Smith, Ward, Mitchell, Liberatore, Mumford, Tippett and Wells all come with varying degrees of risk and question marks. It's fairly unlikely that any more than 50% at the most will be amongst the top players in their positions.

I can't pick which ones will or won't fail but when you take that many risks you're going to experience headaches. I'd recommend checking out the starting teams of the winner's in previous seasons. They're usually full of very safe picks with maybe one speculative pick in the whole squad. They take their risks with aggressive trading when there's more information to base risks on.
I'd love to see what a conservative side looks like, if Bartel, Ward and Mumford are considered risky, speculative picks.
 

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I tried to pick up guys who had an explainable reason why they should improve on last year. KK is well documented. Rocket came out and said he was played out of position in the early stages of last year and his scores reflect an improvement when he was back in his natural role. His end to 2015 was very promising, and he also has some pretty big names to come back into the side (Ablett, O'Mera, Swallow, Prestia). You could argue they will steal his points, I think for a third year player having those guys back in the middle will help him. He is more of a half back than a mid.

Rich is similar. He has guys like Beams, Rocky, Hanley to return. His lowest average for a season was 78 in his second year. He had a barnstorming pre season last year and opened his account with scores of 126, 100 and 93. He's speculative and had a pretty inconsistent 2015, so he's another wait and see but he can go big and I think he has it in him to have a 90-100 season. He's typically been an 80-90 player over his career. Week on week his scores have been inconsistent, but over a season he has been remarkably consistent year on year.

Wells only came into my team this morning as an expensive place holder. Waiting to see how he performs in the NAB cup.

B Smith is an easy one. Concussions cruelled him. His disposal count was still 20+ but his disposal efficiency was well down. I would be more concerned if he just wasn't finding the pill

Mumford - point taken. I have a love affair with the guy. I have Goldstein as my rock and have taken a deliberate risk with Mummy as opposed to someone like Jacobs. Stef Martin is the like for like replacement, but discounting his last 12-18 months his durability across his career has also been quite poor. Tippett is in the side as opposed to Franklin as ruck cover for Mummy.

That's my pre season justification anyway!
Sound reasoning and all calculated risks which are decisions we'll all need to make at some stage. I feel you're a touch light on in the forwardline as i'm not confident we'll get the rookies we need to run 3-0-5 or 3-1-4 with the mid pricer being Wells who's an injury risk..and Tippett who has not proven to be especially durable over the years as well.

Also noticed no Gaz. Any particular reason? I feel anxious without any of Fyfe/Danger in my team..and that would be doubly with Gaz because the absolute masses will be on him. Calculated risks though, we all gotta take 'em!

Ps. I like your POD's :)
 
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I'd love to see what a conservative side looks like, if Bartel, Ward and Mumford are considered risky, speculative picks.
I did say to varying degrees and set the 8-10 range as the definition of a speculative pick is dependent upon on your own level of risk aversion. You've picked some of the players with lesser risk but they still have concerns:

Bartell - Is getting older so there's a chance his scoring output could decrease. He could miss games with those niggly old man injuries and through being rested. I do have him in my side.

Ward - Still a bit green. Only has one season where he hit that 110 average mark you want in a premium midfielder. I'm not sure if he'll lift his output to meet the required level.

Mumford - Will miss games. Every season he spends a lot of time on the sidelines through injury or suspension.
 
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I'd love to see what a conservative side looks like, if Bartel, Ward and Mumford are considered risky, speculative picks.
Ward has averaged 21 games and ~102 points the past 5 seasons. His last two seasons were 106 (season ranking of 9th) and 112 respectively. He has managed this in a foundation club who have struggled to win games the past few years. He is now 25 years old in a team who should be playing finals. He also played the second half of 2015 without a ruckman.

Tom Mitchell missed one game through injury last year when he got poked in the eye (after making his season debut in round 6). He copped the red vest on occasion, so he has upside in terms of his TOG. His numbers are better than all of the other "premiums" in his team (JPK, Jack, Parker, Hanners) at the same stage of their careers. You should read Rowsus' analysis of his 2015.

I agree with Zagbag. Including guys like this as "speculative" or "risky" kind of discredit your entire post.
 
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Ward has averaged 21 games and ~102 points the past 5 seasons. His last two seasons were 106 (season ranking of 9th) and 112 respectively. He has managed this in a foundation club who have struggled to win games the past few years. He is now 25 years old in a team who should be playing finals.

Tom Mitchell missed one game through injury last year when he got poked in the eye (after making his season debut in round 6). He copped the red vest on occasion, so he has upside in terms of his TOG. His numbers are better than all of the other "premiums" in his team (JPK, Jack, Parker, Hanners) at the same stage of their careers. You should read Rowsus' analysis of his 2015.

I agree with Zagbag. Including guys like this as "speculative" or "risky" kind of discredit your entire post.
Of course they have merit. I'm not claiming they'll be bad picks. They're going to be serviceable mids at the absolute worst.

But to not accept they have concerns, risks and drawbacks is naive. If you're picking them you're backing them to improve their average, they very well may and I'm not arguing that they won't, but it is speculative. They're not wildly speculative PODs but speculative none the less.
 

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I agree with Zagbag. Including guys like this as "speculative" or "risky" kind of discredit your entire post.
I'm not sure i agree with that and of course Plo Koon is just offering his opinion which is what you asked for :)

I like the Titch pick and i think he has the potential to really cement himself as a supercoach super premo this year but i still have some very small concerns about him being forced to tag some weeks. He's been in and out of my team but i (rightly or wrongly) always go for the more proven guys. It's a fine line, proven/getting on abit vs upside/not having another level.

Similar to the above reasoning, i prefer Gaz over Ward if you can find the funds.
 
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Exactly IDIG. I do think Mitchell is probably the best of the bunch in terms of his, in my opinion, speculative picks.
 

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Bit of a different structure here with a stacked midfield and a few POD's around the ground.


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Defence- Stock standard picks of Bartel and KK. POD selection of Langdon hoping he will play as an intercepting loose man this year and the rest rookies if 5 appear. Will be at least 2 or 3 Essendon options available. Want Shaw and McVeigh but reckon I can get them cheaper and the D6 spot will be decided when I get a clear read on Yeo, Laird, Smith, Birchall and Docherty's roles.
Midfield- Stacked and will generate most of the points. Danger, Fyfe, Pendles, Ablett and Rocky will be the top 5 averaging players this year in my opinion and TMitch is a chance to join them while Libba is too cheap to ignore. The current lack of outstanding midfield rookie options is also another factor in my structure.
Rucks- Bit risky, Mummy is a gun when on the park but it is just whether he can stay on the field and I'm hoping to use Lobbe as the stepping stone to Goldy. Mummy to Stef is a back up plan.
Forwards- Two safe picks in Dusty and Barlow, a POD premium of my boy Sam Gray and two 200k players in Anderson and Simpkin who should score well and generate cash and the placeholder rookies for now. Want Deledio and Dahlhaus but believe I can also get them cheaper and the final spot will be between a plethora of options (Montagna, Bennell, Robinson, Bell, Zerrett, D Smith, Greene, Buddy, Tippett)

Keen to hear thoughts although I realise this won't be everyone's cup of tea.
 
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Bit of a different structure here with a stacked midfield and a few POD's around the ground.


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Defence- Stock standard picks of Bartel and KK. POD selection of Langdon hoping he will play as an intercepting loose man this year and the rest rookies if 5 appear. Will be at least 2 or 3 Essendon options available. Want Shaw and McVeigh but reckon I can get them cheaper and the D6 spot will be decided when I get a clear read on Yeo, Laird, Smith, Birchall and Docherty's roles.
Midfield- Stacked and will generate most of the points. Danger, Fyfe, Pendles, Ablett and Rocky will be the top 5 averaging players this year in my opinion and TMitch is a chance to join them while Libba is too cheap to ignore. The current lack of outstanding midfield rookie options is also another factor in my structure.
Rucks- Bit risky, Mummy is a gun when on the park but it is just whether he can stay on the field and I'm hoping to use Lobbe as the stepping stone to Goldy. Mummy to Stef is a back up plan.
Forwards- Two safe picks in Dusty and Barlow, a POD premium of my boy Sam Gray and two 200k players in Anderson and Simpkin who should score well and generate cash and the placeholder rookies for now. Want Deledio and Dahlhaus but believe I can also get them cheaper and the final spot will be between a plethora of options (Montagna, Bennell, Robinson, Bell, Zerrett, D Smith, Greene, Buddy, Tippett)

Keen to hear thoughts although I realise this won't be everyone's cup of tea.
Personally, I love this team
 
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Bit of a different structure here with a stacked midfield and a few POD's around the ground.


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Defence- Stock standard picks of Bartel and KK. POD selection of Langdon hoping he will play as an intercepting loose man this year and the rest rookies if 5 appear. Will be at least 2 or 3 Essendon options available. Want Shaw and McVeigh but reckon I can get them cheaper and the D6 spot will be decided when I get a clear read on Yeo, Laird, Smith, Birchall and Docherty's roles.
Midfield- Stacked and will generate most of the points. Danger, Fyfe, Pendles, Ablett and Rocky will be the top 5 averaging players this year in my opinion and TMitch is a chance to join them while Libba is too cheap to ignore. The current lack of outstanding midfield rookie options is also another factor in my structure.
Rucks- Bit risky, Mummy is a gun when on the park but it is just whether he can stay on the field and I'm hoping to use Lobbe as the stepping stone to Goldy. Mummy to Stef is a back up plan.
Forwards- Two safe picks in Dusty and Barlow, a POD premium of my boy Sam Gray and two 200k players in Anderson and Simpkin who should score well and generate cash and the placeholder rookies for now. Want Deledio and Dahlhaus but believe I can also get them cheaper and the final spot will be between a plethora of options (Montagna, Bennell, Robinson, Bell, Zerrett, D Smith, Greene, Buddy, Tippett)

Keen to hear thoughts although I realise this won't be everyone's cup of tea.
My immediate thoughts are that by stacking your midfield so heavily you have compromised each of the other lines way too much. Playing 3 rookie priced players on field in the backs and forwards is dangerous. Not having one of Goldstein, Martin or Jacobs may also hurt you down the track. The heavily stacked midfield will score you early points, but I'm not sure how you will generate your cash to improve as weeks go on. The sides that I have liked most have gone for 4 top premiums and a Liberatore type as their midfield structure. Hope this helps!
 
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