Opinion Round 1: Teams and In Game Discussions

[Blades]

I dropped Dusty just this week for that reason.

I've been worried that with Riewoldt playing a bit further up the ground this season and Vickery the only main target (was surprised by Lloyd's performance though) they are going to be hitting up Dusty and Lids a lot. When Lids was a confirmed out that's when I pulled the trigger. Long season though and I'm sure Dusty will spend greater time in the middle in other matches and make me regret. But I understand your concern.

Plus he always seems to go missing for long periods in the second half against our Blue boys.

 

[darkshines]

Apologies if this has been mentioned (I did a thread search and was surprised not to see much talk of it) but...

Dusty seemed be playing ENTIRELY forward tonight. Does anyone know how many centre bounces he attended? I certainly didn't see many. I thought he would have been running through the mids a bit at least - but alas this did not seem the case. Lambert/Macintosh/Cotchin seemed to be instead.

I'm not going to be sideswapping premiums, and although I loved watching Dusty get near the ball, I am concerned about his purely FWD role this year from a ceiling potential.

Is anyone else?

Mentioned this in the Reveal thread, Dusty is a power not endurance athlete, in racing terms won't get the trip if he plays on ball with the now reduced rotations. Think we clearly saw that last night. How that impacts his SC scoring, up for debate. I personally think he is more valuable to the team isolated one out as a fwd.

The other who would really worry me is Naitanui for those going with him. With the new cap wouldnt be surprised to see him 50/50 ruck with Lycett rather than the 75/25 of the other main R1s.

 

[Bomber18]

Apologies if this has been mentioned (I did a thread search and was surprised not to see much talk of it) but...

Dusty seemed be playing ENTIRELY forward tonight. Does anyone know how many centre bounces he attended? I certainly didn't see many. I thought he would have been running through the mids a bit at least - but alas this did not seem the case. Lambert/Macintosh/Cotchin seemed to be instead.

I'm not going to be sideswapping premiums, and although I loved watching Dusty get near the ball, I am concerned about his purely FWD role this year from a ceiling potential.

Is anyone else?

Lids being out might have resulted in him spending extra time forward. I wouldn't say he entirely played forward though. He had a fair amount of centre-bounce attendances too.
I'm not worried at all though. He looked great in the last quarter and had a few goal opportunities to get to a 100 score (which he didn't take). He's a lock for top 3 forwards and should average another 105 should Richmond play finals again.

 

[freowho]

Mentioned this in the Reveal thread, Dusty is a power not endurance athlete, in racing terms won't get the trip if he plays on ball with the now reduced rotations. Think we clearly saw that last night. How that impacts his SC scoring, up for debate. I personally think he is more valuable to the team isolated one out as a fwd.

The other who would really worry me is Naitanui for those going with him. With the new cap wouldnt be surprised to see him 50/50 ruck with Lycett rather than the 75/25 of the other main R1s.

I've read a lot of comments about not picking NicNat because he doesn't do enough around the ground but his points per time on ground are elite. The only thing keeping his average down is his time on ground. Simpson is following the Hawthorn model of two rucks around the 75-80% time on ground. I'm also concerned about Wines getting the time on ground to lift him above the 110 average. Port Adelaide only give Travis Boak 79-80% time on ground while most of our favourite supercoach mids are 85% plus time on ground.

 

[Clint]

I've read a lot of comments about not picking NicNat because he doesn't do enough around the ground but his points per time on ground are elite. The only thing keeping his average down is his time on ground. Simpson is following the Hawthorn model of two rucks around the 75-80% time on ground. I'm also concerned about Wines getting the time on ground to lift him above the 110 average. Port Adelaide only give Travis Boak 79-80% time on ground while most of our favourite supercoach mids are 85% plus time on ground.

Just not sure about NicNat, I want him but maybe Martin is the way to go, final piece of my puzzle... I just can't decide. Can Martin have an even bigger year? I'm worried about his hit outs to advantage. But also worried about how much Ruck work NicNat might do, thoughts?

 

[Bomber18]

Martin's heatmap from yesterday.

Martin's 2015 season

Not that much difference to last year tbh. He starts forwards and goes into mids/defence. He might have won less disposals forward than he usually would have but Richmond were generally poor so maybe just didn't get the chances. With players back they'll be better.
His TOG is similar to his numbers historically too. Think it's a bit early for those who didn't start him to pat themselves on the back

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Dunkley to play........Dunkley vs Clayton is the decision now.

 

[Lost In The Sky]

Final Round One Sunday teams: Brisbane vs West Coast

Brisbane Interchange: Harwood, Bastinac, Bewick, Cutler
Emergencies: Green, C Beams, Robertson.

West Coast Interchange: Duggan, Hill, Lycett, Nelson
Emergencies: Colledge, Huchings, McInnes.



Final Round One Sunday teams: Fremantle v Western Bulldogs

Fremantle Interchange: Barlow, Taberner, Weller, Mzungu
Emergencies: C Pearce, De Boer, A Pearce

Western Bulldogs Interchange: McLean, Dunkley, Liberatore, Biggs
Emergencies: Hrovat, Redpath, Jong



Final Round One Sunday teams: StKilda v Port Adelaide
St.Kilda Interchange: Templeton, Ross, Dunstan, Acres
Emergencies: Lee, Curren, Sinclair

Port Adelaide Interchange: Broadbent, White, Pittard, Ah Chee
Emergencies: Amon, Toumpas, Young.

 

[FirstTimer]

Martin's heatmap from yesterday.

Martin's 2015 season

Not that much difference to last year tbh. He starts forwards and goes into mids/defence. He might have won less disposals forward than he usually would have but Richmond were generally poor so maybe just didn't get the chances. With players back they'll be better.
His TOG is similar to his numbers historically too. Think it's a bit early for those who didn't start him to pat themselves on the back

Love it Bomber you are to be commended on your originality , good graph to look at

 

[Johnsy44]

Great to see local boys playing , Dunkley is a gun, I'm same age group as his brother and have played him several times but he has moved onto gippy power

 

[Blades]

Dunkley to play........Dunkley vs Clayton is the decision now.

Is Dunkley's job security better than Hewett's too?

 

[Rowsus]

Martin's heatmap from yesterday.

Martin's 2015 season

Not that much difference to last year tbh. He starts forwards and goes into mids/defence. He might have won less disposals forward than he usually would have but Richmond were generally poor so maybe just didn't get the chances. With players back they'll be better.
His TOG is similar to his numbers historically too. Think it's a bit early for those who didn't start him to pat themselves on the back

Thanks B18, I wish I had access to those Heat Maps!
Keeping in mind it is only one game, he wouldn't want to maintain that ratio of 60% of possessions between the Defensive Arc, and the Centre Line! (Martin was at 40% last season) It is the lowest scoring area of the ground! CD have told us, that possessions inside the Arcs get weighted a bit higher. (though I'm sure that doesn't include those from kicks backward to a man by himself in the Arc.) Possessions gathered in that Half Back region are less likely to become Inside 50's, and as they are at least one possession further from goal, less likely to be in scoring chains. Possessions in the area between the Centre Line and the Forward Arc are much more likely to attract better points (Inside 50's, scoring chains, Goal assists etc)

 

[couchPOTATO]

Currently have Hartley and Colledge as cheapie placeholders

I think I will trade to 2 of Popley, Dunkley, Hewett, McGovern, McCarthy and O McDonald but can only take 1 mid only player (I think)

How do people rate the first 5 of these options for JS and scoring potential??

 

[Bomber18]

Thanks B18, I wish I had access to those Heat Maps!
Keeping in mind it is only one game, he wouldn't want to maintain that ratio of 60% of possessions between the Defensive Arc, and the Centre Line! (Martin was at 40% last season) It is the lowest scoring area of the ground! CD have told us, that possessions inside the Arcs get weighted a bit higher. (though I'm sure that doesn't include those from kicks backward to a man by himself in the Arc.) Possessions gathered in that Half Back region are less likely to become Inside 50's, and as they are at least one possession further from goal, less likely to be in scoring chains. Possessions in the area between the Centre Line and the Forward Arc are much more likely to attract better points (Inside 50's, scoring chains, Goal assists etc)

Thanks for your insight! That makes a lot of sense. Hopefully that increase comes naturally with a better Richmond team performance.

 

[Blades]

Currently have Hartley and Colledge as cheapie placeholders

I think I will trade to 2 of Popley, Dunkley, Hewett, McGovern, McCarthy and O McDonald but can only take 1 mid only player (I think)

How do people rate the first 5 of these options for JS and scoring potential??

Real tough one JS order (McDonald, McCarthy, Hewett, Dunkley, McGovern, Papley??)

Scoring potential (I'd put Hewett and Dunkley further up the list and the rookie Mc's further down).

I'm not sure of the JS of the Swan guys with the other Mc's (McVeigh and McGlynn) to come back. Similarly, not sure about McGovern when Menzel and Cameron come back.

 

[apolis]

I would have thought McDonald's job security is questionable with Dunn pushing for a spot? I don't think Hewett is competing with McVeigh or McGlynn but I could be wrong.

 

[Blades]

I would have thought McDonald's job security is questionable with Dunn pushing for a spot? I don't think Hewett is competing with McVeigh or McGlynn but I could be wrong.

You are right. I was thinking the wrong McDonald (I was thinking the McDonald-Tippa variety). There seems to be a Macca's on every corner...

With McVeigh and McGlynn, I also agree they are different players...but who do you think is at risk in the Swan's 22? Is it Papley or even Mills? Can't see Mills being dropped (maybe rested later in the year). Who makes way?

 

[The Nypsies]

You are right. I was thinking the wrong McDonald (I was thinking the McDonald-Tippa variety). There seems to be a Macca's on every corner...

With McVeigh and McGlynn, I also agree they are different players...but who do you think is at risk in the Swan's 22? Is it Papley or even Mills? Can't see Mills being dropped (maybe rested later in the year). Who makes way?

Surely its Papley and Robinson that go out first...

 

[Junior Wölf]

You are right. I was thinking the wrong McDonald (I was thinking the McDonald-Tippa variety). There seems to be a Macca's on every corner...

With McVeigh and McGlynn, I also agree they are different players...but who do you think is at risk in the Swan's 22? Is it Papley or even Mills? Can't see Mills being dropped (maybe rested later in the year). Who makes way?

No way Mills is getting dropped. Just remember that Rohan is injured, Jetta has left, a few retired. Heeney played last year with all those players around him, why can't Mills.

 

[Darkie]

Currently have Hartley and Colledge as cheapie placeholders

I think I will trade to 2 of Popley, Dunkley, Hewett, McGovern, McCarthy and O McDonald but can only take 1 mid only player (I think)

How do people rate the first 5 of these options for JS and scoring potential??

I just posted my overall rookie ordering in the rookies thread if you're after more detail, but of the above named players, I would have McCarthy a clear first, then Hewett, then the rest. I would have serious JS concerns about Dunkley and Popley and scoring concerns about McGovern and O McDonald.