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[Snowman]

Thanks @Diabolical!

One of my work colleagues is a supercoach nut and has helped me. He may or may not be on this site hahaha

I see your point about Docherty and Shaw, I suppose the best thing about this, is it is only Rd 1, plenty of time to trade out the dead wood haha.

I think trading out Docherty could free up some capital for some other prem players.

I just feel Ablett is too good to refuse, when he plays well (albeit he's injury prone) he plays well.

As an Essendon fan, I just feel Jobe is going to have a big year. He has been criticised for only averaging 95 in 2015... when he only played 10 games, as he was injured lol. If you take the whole season in account, he could have been great. I think at that price, he is worth taking a risk on. He'll be hungry as hell after the 12 months and he'd be like a man possessed after losing (unfairly) the brownlow.

Yeah, the Rucks, were a tough choice.. I like Gawn but heard Grundy was a good option too..

I did think of adding another forward, maybe Macrae? only prob is, when Bulldogs have their bye, both Dalhaus and Macrae are out haha

Thanks for your reply mate

Go Bombers!!

Hey Nath_99, Really good to see you getting active and trying to absorb as much information as possible, you really won't find a better more generous site for advice. But I couldn't let your first comment just slide thru to the keeper. Seriously mate who you calling a NUT!!!

 

[Presto]

No worries nath - I'd say you're doing very well if you're just starting your second year, I suspect many of us would have had bunch of horrid mid-pricers and list cloggers in their side at the same point ... I know I did

Two things I'd add:

(1) The byes are a balancing act. [Arguably, the whole game is.] You don't want to pick someone just because of their bye, but if you can even up your "exposure", they're a very good way to make up ground - if someone can get 1,800 the week you get 1,000, that's obviously a very large "headstart". If you really can't find anyone you like in R12, that's fair enough, although it's probably wise to quantify the points you expect to gain in the other rounds, versus the points you'll miss out on that round. Quantifying all of your trade-o*** in points makes things pretty clear, I find - so if in doubt, try to boil it down to which approach gives you the most points overall over the season (ie, considering cash and trades used).

- As you say, it is a long season. I find that working backwards works well for me, as a way to ensure you start well, and remain on target ... step one in planning a long journey would be determining your destination! Have a think about what your ideal end of year side would look like based on what you know currently, and look to start the players in that list that look some combination of the most discounted/most durable/most certain to be top scorers/most consistent scorers. [If they score inconsistently, that's okay, but you're more likely to get them really cheap at some point, so they're more of an upgrade target than a starter, all else equal.]. This also helps ensure you don't jump on someone in a purple patch who doesn't have great prospects of keeping up their scoring ... you obviously want to buy low, not high! I think your starting picks generally look very solid on those criteria, so you're in good shape.

Great advise, I wish I had it when I started SC.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Darkie again.

 

[nath_99]

Hey Nath_99, Really good to see you getting active and trying to absorb as much information as possible, you really won't find a better more generous site for advice. But I couldn't let your first comment just slide thru to the keeper. Seriously mate who you calling a NUT!!!

Hahahah "nut" in a good way... Someone who really loves Supercoach and knows all the in's and outs! HAHAHA.

SCS is great though, picked up a lot of stuff so far!

 

[Grant]

Solid picks which u justify pretty well. The one thing I'd say is don't commit completely to a 4 prem defense as it is the rookies not premiums that dictate the right structure. Early it seems as the def rookies might be pretty good, it might be more worthwhile going lighter in the def and heavier in the mids and forwards. If for example, you have 3 def rookies that are averaging 70 and you have on field mid/fwd rookies averaging 60, you're losing 10ppg to those that went lighter in the def! Too early to tell but monitor in the JLT.

If there are a lot more rookie options in defence than fwd then I definitely would consider changing.

 

[Grant]

Hard to disagree with a lot here Grant. Your logic seems very sound and I have/have had all of your picks in my side at one point, except for Adams and Bont (who I can understand the arguments for). I still have 13 of your 18 above.

I suspect you're already doing this, but I'd just have a think about who your marginal keeper is on each line, to allow for easy structural adjustments pending greater clarity on rookies. You don't seem to have masses of cash left over (I think around $1.8m for 12 spots?) so knowing who your least favourite picks are also means you can trim easily if you need to raise cash.

You may want to consider who you would pick as an additional mid, if that made sense at lockout. I don't think you'll need five keeper picks up forward or down back, but you may want to add a keeper in the midfield. Again, you've probably got a fair idea of who that would be ... deciding on another mid premium isn't exactly an onerous task most of the time!

The only other thing I noticed was that you seem very light on for round 12 bye players. Rance is one I like for that purpose, so he might be up your alley, given so many of our other picks are very similar. I think Selwood is also quite a viable starting pick this year if you want to push further in this direction.

Good luck - if your side goes well, I think I'll be up there with you!

My worst decisions in the last few years have been the 'best' option to fit players evenly around the bye rounds. I say 'best' because it has been players that I haven't been confident in picking but didn't think there were better options.

I rate Rance in the top 3 players in the comp but wouldn't start him in SC. As a key defender he'll be more likely to have some low scores and be available at a cheap price rather than the players I've listed.

 

[anfa18]

My worst decisions in the last few years have been the 'best' option to fit players evenly around the bye rounds. I say 'best' because it has been players that I haven't been confident in picking but didn't think there were better options.

I rate Rance in the top 3 players in the comp but wouldn't start him in SC. As a key defender he'll be more likely to have some low scores and be available at a cheap price rather than the players I've listed.

I wanted to test this out and see if Rance had a patch of 2 or 3 games which made his price drop around 50k.

2016:
Start price: $523,700
High price: $549,000 at rounds 6, 7 and 8 (suspended for 2 games).
Low price: $431,100 at round 19.
Around 50k price drop from start price: $477,500 at rounds 13 and 14 (byes)
Around 50k price drop from high price: $494,800 at round 11.
Highest score: 146 in round 4.


2015:
Start price: $476,200
High price: $524,400 at round 5.
Low price: $401,100 at round 14.
Around 50k price drop from start price: $428,200 at rounds 11 and 12 (byes)
Around 50k price drop from high price: $476,800 at round 8.
Highest score: 156 in round 2.


I know 2 seasons isn't the best for data but it's a good starting point. If i don't start with him, i will definitely be looking to bring him in at the byes.

 

[aj74]

Like your midfield, hard to see it going wrong.
For rucks this year it's either One of the 3 Gs+Sandilands or two of the 3 Gs. Too early to tell at this stage but Grundy+Goldstein could easily work.
We have the same forward line except I have ScottishSuitCase+Bowes ahead of Hoskin Elliot and Mccarthy. Can't see either hoskin Elliot or Mccarhy average mroe than 75 if they even make it to 70.

Now for defence, I think you're trying to be too creative picking these players. For defence this year I think 95 average is the absolute lowest you could take for D6, and both JJ(92-98) and Howe(90-95) are on the lower of the acceptable range. Both have concerns over their fitness/role/durability. There're much better players at the same price, same goes for Mills.

I think if you fix up your defence it's potentially a very good team, but I'm 100% not taking any of JJ, Howe, Mills, Hibberd into r1, and this is when I'm planning to start 5 Def premiums. I have about 8-9 defence premium picks before JJ/Howe, but that's just me.

Thanks man. Some good advice in there

WHE is likely to go to Knight if he is picked. I too think that he isn't worth the coin as yet but he makes a good pricey placeholder

BTW, the Hibberd I listed was North's rookie Hibberd. Much as I'd be interested in Melbourne's Hibberd, he burnt me badly a couple of years back and I'm not sure how he'll come back from his year off.

Like you, I am a bit unsold on JJ, Howe and Mills but when I look at the other options down back, I'm pretty unimpressed. In order of starting price:

Doc: Possibly overpriced, especially if having him in means costing me Selwood or Rocky. If I can find another 60 k to go with my 34k I currently have, then I might go Howe -> Doc
Simmo: Nah. Over priced. His career is like clockwork, scoring 95ish for the last 8 years and then at 32 or something, he pulls out a career best 106. I'm not believing it
Heater: Yeah I could go Heater and at 576k, he's probably fairly priced. On the list but not at the expense of one of those mids
Boyd: Nup. He was too old for me last year and I missed out. Fair enough. This year, he's a year older and I'm more likely to be correct
Joey: See Boyd
Rance: Yeah I could go Rance I guess. Screwed me over a bit last year though so I'm reticent
Adams: Too injury prone. As a Pies fan I hope I'm wrong but I'm not prepared to risk my SC team on him. Might wait til he's had his 6 weeks off.
Laird: Had him the lat 2 years and he's been OK. At 526k, I'm kinda happy to let him go this year until after his 4 weeks off
Kelly: too old
Burgoyne: too old... you'd think
JJ: Good price for him I think. I'm pretty sure that his hammy last year was his only major injury to date but am happy to be corrected. I think his missed games count up to last year was a result of him not being good enough at the time. Has come of age since.
Vince: very, very tempted. I'd be worried about Melbourne using him as a tagger though. Come to think of it htough, he can still score well on the rebound as a tagger. 31 or 32 years old though...
Howe: went alright for me last year. Your concerns over his role might be well founded, though I'd have thought his performances down back were exceptional and his carry an d delivery were refreshingly competent. Can't see him spending much time forward. Has missed 3 games in 5 years so is fit and durable
Pittard: let me down in finals last year, costing me hundreds. A maybe
Gibson: Worse than Pittard
McDonald: Yeah maybe. A definite maybe
Houli: fairly priced after a huge start to 2016 followed by a injury and a crap 2nd half. Can offer up some massive variance. A chance he could be picked up cheaper
McVeigh: massively underpriced owing to no pre-season last year. On the radar

So yeah, while JJ, Howe and Mills aren't the best defenders out there, I'm really struggling to justify picking up others, unless I can free up cash via my rookies. Am I judging them too harshly?

 

[aj74]

Oh yeah and Grundy in the rucks is a lock for me this year. He doesn't have a huge leap and so was getting 3rd man up'ed around the ground all year last year. The abolition of that rule should help his game out a fair bit.

 

[Darkie]

Hey Nath_99, Really good to see you getting active and trying to absorb as much information as possible, you really won't find a better more generous site for advice. But I couldn't let your first comment just slide thru to the keeper. Seriously mate who you calling a NUT!!!

Great advise, I wish I had it when I started SC.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Darkie again.

Thanks Presto. I wish I had someone with Snowman's record to give me tips early on!

 

[Darkie]

My worst decisions in the last few years have been the 'best' option to fit players evenly around the bye rounds. I say 'best' because it has been players that I haven't been confident in picking but didn't think there were better options.

I rate Rance in the top 3 players in the comp but wouldn't start him in SC. As a key defender he'll be more likely to have some low scores and be available at a cheap price rather than the players I've listed.

It's funny you mention that Grant, I was (1) thinking about how much to flex from my preferred starting picks to accommodate the byes, and (2) separately, looking at Rance's low prices, over the last week or so.

If you allow for the fact that the decline in the Magic Number means that any seasoned player is c. 8-10% overpriced at the start of the year, I'm actually not sure that Rance has had the price drops that I would have expected:

2016: started 524k, first half low 495k (which is actually above his MN-adjusted starting price, assuming a 9% adjustment, so there is essentially no cash saving in practical terms as I see it)
2015: started 476k, first half low 428k (only 5k below his MN-adjusted starting price)
2014: started 470k, first half low 463k but with few games played, low of 432k in first 11 games played (above his MN-adjusted starting price)
2013: started 465k, first half low 388k (35k below his MN-adjusted starting price)
2012: started 457k, first half low 431k (above his MN-adjusted starting price)

Before that he was just developing, so his price was trending up nicely year to year.

So three years out of five, it actually looks like I wouldn't have saved anything upgrading to him, one year I would have saved 5k, and one year I would have saved 35k, or an average of 8k per year.

My conclusion was that I should just start him, unless I expect this year to be different for some reason!

Rance doesn't seem to have the price volatility of other KPDs, I think probably because he doesn't tend to have two really bad games in a row.

I've noticed this with some other players as well - some go on huge runs (good or bad) and others seem to be almost self-correcting ... And it's the first group that have the volatile prices, and are therefore the upgrade targets, as I see it.

 

[anfa18]

My latest team.

DEF: Shaw, Rance, Laird, Houli, McGrath, Hibberd (Hanley, Chol).
MID: JPK, Hannebery, Selwood, Fyfe, Swallow, McCluggage, Brodie, Myers (Fordham, Freeman, Poholke).
RUCK: Goldstein, Sandilands (Witts).
FOR: Reiwoldt, Dahlhaus, Gunston, Heeney, Ainsworth, Black (Pickett, Strnadica).

I have some high priced "rookies" that have been mentioned to ensure i have the necessary funds for the ones that pop up for round one.

BYES:
11: 8 premium/keepers + Swallow and Sandilands
12: 9 premium/keepers + Swallow and Sandilands.
13: 9 premium/keepers + Swallow.

BANK: $38,200.

 

[nath_99]

After taking everyone's advice on board, here is my updated, starting line-up. (Bit more balanced for Byes etc.)

DEFS:

Shaw, Rance, Laird
McGrath, Cumming, Newman BENCH: Hibberd, Ryan


MIDS:

Danger, Pendles, Kennedy (Sydney)
Bont, Fyfe, Watson
Petrevski-Seaton, Berry. BENCH: Powell-Pepper, Myers, J Pickett


RUCKS:

Gawn, Sandilands, Strndica

FORWARDS:

Dalhaus, Macrae, Heeney
McLuggage, Ainsworth, Stewart BENCH: D Cameron (Sydney), Rioli (WCE)


Pretty happy with it. Good balance between each position groups, even for byes but more importantly plenty of room to move if some players don't perform well.

 

[bomberboy]

After taking everyone's advice on board, here is my updated, starting line-up. (Bit more balanced for Byes etc.)

DEFS:

Shaw, Rance, Laird
McGrath, Cumming, Newman BENCH: Hibberd, Ryan


MIDS:

Danger, Pendles, Kennedy (Sydney)
Bont, Fyfe, Watson
Petrevski-Seaton, Berry. BENCH: Powell-Pepper, Myers, J Pickett


RUCKS:

Gawn, Sandilands, Strndica

FORWARDS:

Dalhaus, Macrae, Heeney
McLuggage, Ainsworth, Stewart BENCH: D Cameron (Sydney), Rioli (WCE)


Pretty happy with it. Good balance between each position groups, even for byes but more importantly plenty of room to move if some players don't perform well.

I like it nath. My only real feedback is to make sure you don't have too many basement rookies so that when round 1 hits you have to edit your structure drastically (many a coach shoots themselves in the foot doing that). Though, this shouldn't be too much of a problem for you, just something to be aware of.

We have very similar teams, so I have a natural tendency to like yours! Honestly no real feedback, just that monitor Watson. I'm not personally sure he'll be a good pick. Has shown he is a fairly great forward, and may be plonked there in order to give our next generation the midfield time they need. Clearly you think differently!

how much cash left out of interest?

 

[nath_99]

I like it nath. My only real feedback is to make sure you don't have too many basement rookies so that when round 1 hits you have to edit your structure drastically (many a coach shoots themselves in the foot doing that). Though, this shouldn't be too much of a problem for you, just something to be aware of.

We have very similar teams, so I have a natural tendency to like yours! Honestly no real feedback, just that monitor Watson. I'm not personally sure he'll be a good pick. Has shown he is a fairly great forward, and may be plonked there in order to give our next generation the midfield time they need. Clearly you think differently!

how much cash left out of interest?

Thanks Bomberboy,

I just feel he (Watson) is in for a big year, but if he plays more forward, that could impact my structure.

In terms of rookies, I guess it is a bit of a hard one to juggle haha. I chose Mcgrath cause he was No1 pick and is likely to play Rd 1 for us. The others like McLuggage will easily get a game Rd1 at Brisbane and Ainsworth could be a chance for GCS as well.

I have $16,000 left

Thanks for your reply mate! Go Bombers!!

 

[Prochard]

My latest team.

DEF: Shaw, Rance, Laird, Houli, McGrath, Hibberd (Hanley, Chol).
MID: JPK, Hannebery, Selwood, Fyfe, Swallow, McCluggage, Brodie, Myers (Fordham, Freeman, Poholke).
RUCK: Goldstein, Sandilands (Witts).
FOR: Reiwoldt, Dahlhaus, Gunston, Heeney, Ainsworth, Black (Pickett, Strnadica).

I have some high priced "rookies" that have been mentioned to ensure i have the necessary funds for the ones that pop up for round one.

BYES:
11: 8 premium/keepers + Swallow and Sandilands
12: 9 premium/keepers + Swallow and Sandilands.
13: 9 premium/keepers + Swallow.

BANK: $38,200.

I don't want to start Danger, but I have him and probably will keep it that way given the extremely high ownership rate and his great early round for captaincy. Interested to hear your thoughts on it.

Anyways, structure good, premo picks are mostly good. However, don't like Houli, don't like Riewoldt, don't like Goldstein, don't like Brodie, don't like Ainsworth.

 

[bomberboy]

I don't want to start Danger, but I have him and probably will keep it that way given the extremely high ownership rate and his great early round for captaincy. Interested to hear your thoughts on it.

Anyways, structure good, premo picks are mostly good. However, don't like Houli, don't like Riewoldt, don't like Goldstein, don't like Brodie, don't like Ainsworth.

how come you don't like Goldstein Proch?

up the bombers nath!!

 

[Prochard]

how come you don't like Goldstein Proch?

up the bombers nath!!

Don't really wanna talk people out of picking Goldstein if I'm wrong :|

 

[Bomber18]

My latest team.

DEF: Shaw, Rance, Laird, Houli, McGrath, Hibberd (Hanley, Chol).
MID: JPK, Hannebery, Selwood, Fyfe, Swallow, McCluggage, Brodie, Myers (Fordham, Freeman, Poholke).
RUCK: Goldstein, Sandilands (Witts).
FOR: Reiwoldt, Dahlhaus, Gunston, Heeney, Ainsworth, Black (Pickett, Strnadica).

I have some high priced "rookies" that have been mentioned to ensure i have the necessary funds for the ones that pop up for round one.

BYES:
11: 8 premium/keepers + Swallow and Sandilands
12: 9 premium/keepers + Swallow and Sandilands.
13: 9 premium/keepers + Swallow.

BANK: $38,200.

I like the 3 prem def structure, especially if Keefe & Hampton work out. Not a fan of Houli. Don't like beams? For similar prices you could get Beams + Hampton over Houli + Brodie which could score almost 20ppg more early on if Hampton/Brodie average the same.

Also, I don't think the R/F FD at F8 is the way to go with Witts at R3. There's no link! I'd much prefer someone like Deluca at M11. You can cash out Witts for Strnadica later on!

 

[Bomber18]

how come you don't like Goldstein Proch?

up the bombers nath!!

Don't really wanna talk people out of picking Goldstein if I'm wrong :|

Happy to question the great Goldy. His knee worries me most. Yet to see an article or any comment which declares he's back at full fitness. All I've seen is that his training load is being managed. (source: https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/tall-kangaroos-to-bounce-back-from-surgery-ng-s-1663917). Throw in north's decline & prospect of Preuss getting games. Happy to wait and see then trade Sandi to Goldy if he's back at full fitness.

 

[Presto]

Here is my latest team

Def: Rance, Burgoyne, Shaw, Newman, Hibberd, Vickers-Willis, (Stewart, Ryan)
Mid: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Selwood, Rockliff, Fyfe, Beams, Foote, Berry, (Powell-Pepper, Myers, Barrett)
Ruc: Gawn, Sandilands, (Strnadica)
For: Dahlhaus, Macrae, Acres, Roughead, Bowes, Black, (Pickett, Eddy)
Bank: $67,700
3-0-5
6-0-5
1-1-1
4-0-4
Byes (excluding rookies)
R11 6
R12 3
R13 6

Rookies at the moment are just anybody’s guess.
DEF:
Rance is one of the few key defenders that has shown is capable of stringing some consistent scores together. And don’t forget he is CD golden child.
Burgoyne Imho will be the player to gain from the departure of SM and JL
Shaw will easily be top 6 defender

MID:
Danger and Pendle: you don’t need me to tell you how good they are.
Selwood: can’t say why I chose him (over say Treloar), just a feeling that he will much better than expected.
Rockliff: as long as he can stay on the park, he is pedigree. During his last 12 games last year he average 126 with 1 200, 2 150s and 7 100s.
Fyfe: everybody will have him.
Beams: At his price a must have.

RUC:
Gawn: now has a gun midfield which will help his scoring output, and the 3rd man ruling will help him immensely
Sandiland: At his price a must have, even more than Beams.

FWD:
Dahlhaus is underpriced, has DPP, and I love to watch him (I know that is not a reason to pick him)
Macrae: another DPP that should spend lots of time in the middle.
Acres: I spent a lot of time deciding between him and Heeney, I expect them to perform very similarly. In the end the dual position and the lower price decided it.
Roughead: If he play preseason and he is ready for RD1 he is in, if not I will have Heeney.

I don’t have any RD9 bye players by design.