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Hi Rowsus,
Firstly, allow me to congratulate you on your teams bye round scores and climb up the leaders board. Impressive!

I have been looking at various aspects of my team and trying to analyse what I have done correctly and where I have failed.
I am a reasonably analytical person when it comes to decision making and attempt to balance averages/percentages/scores with observation, peer opinion and some gut feel. Somewhere in this mix, I am sure you will find the answer and correct decision. The key word is somewhere :)

Anyway, I have noticed one interesting fact about my team that I would like your thoughts on: players average scores.
I have been attempting to get as many players in my team that are averaging over 100 points per game for the season. I guessed, possibly incorrectly, that using this simple method should improve my team.
My team now has 19 players averaging 95+ points per game and 13 players averaging over 100+ points per game. Until now, i thought I was on the right track.

I do look at the players 3 game and 5 game averages, however, I have been placing most of the emphasis on the players season averages.
I am surprised, shocked and worried about what I have found.

At the start of Round 14 my team had the following:
19 players with a season average of 95+
13 players with a 5 round average of 95+
11 players with a 3 round average of 95+

13 players with a season average of 100+
10 players with a 5 round average of 100+
8 players with a 3 round average of 100+

I think I have just learned yet another lesson!
It appears my team is in a mid-season slump or possibly a slippery slide south!

What relevance do you place on these type of statistics?
Hi TerryB, thanks for that. :)
you're actually doing very well, and learning very quickly, considering your relative inexperience at the game (as mentioned by yourself in another thread).
There is a double edged problem to your approach to trading. It doesn't allow for the reasonable expectation, that some players current form/average will possibly suddenly, and also probably dramatically, change direction.
Identifying which players are in a hot streak, that is unlikely to last, and which players are under scoring to what might reasonably be expected, is the key to better SC trading.
Look at a player Tex Walker. He was averaging 109 at the end of Round 5, and while I'm not suggesting you would have targeted him, someone using your approach might have. It fails to take into account, that those 4 games were comfortable or big wins, and Josh Jenkins was missing for all them (bar 5 minutes in Rnd 2). It seemed very unlikely that sort of scoring would continue. And it didn't.
Similarly, look at a player Kreuzer. He was only averaging 86 after Round 6, and anyone looking to only trade in players currently scoring 100+ couldn't/wouldnt consider trading him in. As it turns out he's averaged 139 since then! Getting on a cheap player before they explode can really give you a jump on those around you. Kreuzer was $418,400 after Round 6. How would you like a player averaging 139 since you traded him in, for that price? The problem is, you'll never experience that, if you are only targeting players averaging 100+. Kreuzer's average didn't hit 100+ until Round 10, and his price had risen to $525,400 by then. You missed out on a potential 498 points in those 4 games, and paid $107,000 more for him, just because you waited.
Now these are obviously just examples, but the main point is, avoiding the flavour of the month, that's about to start spudding it up, and getting on the fallen Prem, who's about to start rocketing, are the two best types of trades to avoid/target. Under the system of only targetting players that 100+, you will inevitably trade in some mistakes, and you'll end up using too many dollars, and miss getting some the bigger, better bargains.
Looking at the players averages in your team, is the wrong approach. You need to look at their averages since you traded them in. You can be sure there were quite a few people that traded Nankervis in, in Round 6. He's averaged 81.6 since then, but has a season average of 95.7. That season average means nothing to the poor souls he traded him in, in Round 6! He sits in your 95+ season players, but anyone expecting him to maintain that average is kidding themselves.
So to answer your bottom line question. The fact that you only have 8 players with a 3 Round average of 100+, and 10 with a 5 Round average of 100+, compared to 13 with a season average of 100+, should be ringing alarm bells, and have you identifying which players need fixing, once your team is complete.

Just for comparison. I only have 12 players with a season average of 100+. I have 13 players with a 5 Round average of 100+, and 11 players with a 3 Round average of 100+. Only 2 of my last 9 on field Keepers I traded in, are averaging under 100 since I traded them in.
 

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Hi TerryB, thanks for that. :)
you're actually doing very well, and learning very quickly, considering your relative inexperience at the game (as mentioned by yourself in another thread).
There is a double edged problem to your approach to trading. It doesn't allow for the reasonable expectation, that some players current form/average will possibly suddenly, and also probably dramatically, change direction.
Identifying which players are in a hot streak, that is unlikely to last, and which players are under scoring to what might reasonably be expected, is the key to better SC trading.
Look at a player Tex Walker. He was averaging 109 at the end of Round 5, and while I'm not suggesting you would have targeted him, someone using your approach might have. It fails to take into account, that those 4 games were comfortable or big wins, and Josh Jenkins was missing for all them (bar 5 minutes in Rnd 2). It seemed very unlikely that sort of scoring would continue. And it didn't.
Similarly, look at a player Kreuzer. He was only averaging 86 after Round 6, and anyone looking to only trade in players currently scoring 100+ couldn't/wouldnt consider trading him in. As it turns out he's averaged 139 since then! Getting on a cheap player before they explode can really give you a jump on those around you. Kreuzer was $418,400 after Round 6. How would you like a player averaging 139 since you traded him in, for that price? The problem is, you'll never experience that, if you are only targeting players averaging 100+. Kreuzer's average didn't hit 100+ until Round 10, and his price had risen to $525,400 by then. You missed out on a potential 498 points in those 4 games, and paid $107,000 more for him, just because you waited.
Now these are obviously just examples, but the main point is, avoiding the flavour of the month, that's about to start spudding it up, and getting on the fallen Prem, who's about to start rocketing, are the two best types of trades to avoid/target. Under the system of only targetting players that 100+, you will inevitably trade in some mistakes, and you'll end up using too many dollars, and miss getting some the bigger, better bargains.
Looking at the players averages in your team, is the wrong approach. You need to look at their averages since you traded them in. You can be sure there were quite a few people that traded Nankervis in, in Round 6. He's averaged 81.6 since then, but has a season average of 95.7. That season average means nothing to the poor souls he traded him in, in Round 6! He sits in your 95+ season players, but anyone expecting him to maintain that average is kidding themselves.
So to answer your bottom line question. The fact that you only have 8 players with a 3 Round average of 100+, and 10 with a 5 Round average of 100+, compared to 13 with a season average of 100+, should be ringing alarm bells, and have you identifying which players need fixing, once your team is complete.

Just for comparison. I only have 12 players with a season average of 100+. I have 13 players with a 5 Round average of 100+, and 11 players with a 3 Round average of 100+. Only 2 of my last 9 on field Keepers I traded in, are averaging under 100 since I traded them in.
Thanks Rowsus for your comprehensive answer to my question.
All you have said makes complete sense. Some of what you have advised I was aware of, and some has made the light a little bit brighter for me. My weighting of the importance of each factor has been way wrong and has led to incorrect decision making. Probably too late for this season, with only 6 trades left. But never too old too learn.
Cheers and thanks again.
 
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Hi Rowsus;

Gawn, should he score solidly, will be ripe for trading in just before the Carlton game in Round 16 (assuming a Breakeven of around 100-120ish); with a player like Gawn you might not want to risk another week with a 100 B/E as he could monster it; and Round 16 is when JDC and Witherden will be on the bubble.

My question is this:

Should I trade Fisher to Cunico this week, allowing me the option of getting Callum Brown and one of JDC/Witherden next week, which will allow me to get the other one and have a trade spare to bring Gawn in the week after?

 

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Hi Rowsus;

Gawn, should he score solidly, will be ripe for trading in just before the Carlton game in Round 16 (assuming a Breakeven of around 100-120ish); with a player like Gawn you might not want to risk another week with a 100 B/E as he could monster it; and Round 16 is when JDC and Witherden will be on the bubble.

My question is this:

Should I trade Fisher to Cunico this week, allowing me the option of getting Callum Brown and one of JDC/Witherden next week, which will allow me to get the other one and have a trade spare to bring Gawn in the week after?

Hi Eagling,
I do wonder, what all these people waiting on Gawn, licking their lips, are going to do, if he scores a couple of 90's in his first 2 games back! It's a long time to wait, to be looking at a big question mark!
It looks like you've been a little too patient, as by my reading, you have 3 place to fill to complete your team, and 4 if you want to upgrade Witts.
I think you need to do, whatever it is you need to do, to get some cash in the bank, and get those upgrades started!
All of the current 0-2 game Rookies have question marks on their JS, so going to to Cunico this week is probably as good a guess as any.
Good luck. :)
 
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Hi Eagling,
I do wonder, what all these people waiting on Gawn, licking their lips, are going to do, if he scores a couple of 90's in his first 2 games back! It's a long time to wait, to be looking at a big question mark!
It looks like you've been a little too patient, as by my reading, you have 3 place to fill to complete your team, and 4 if you want to upgrade Witts.
I think you need to do, whatever it is you need to do, to get some cash in the bank, and get those upgrades started!
All of the current 0-2 game Rookies have question marks on their JS, so going to to Cunico this week is probably as good a guess as any.
Good luck. :)
Nineties are fine with me; Ideally Gawn will push Nank to F6 or even better, F7; I'm happy to keep Witts; as I'm not really confident on any of the rucks that have been playing (It's why I traded Sandi to Rockliff instead of straight swapping him a couple of weeks back. If Gawn seems fit I'll be willing to take the risk, as there are ??? over most of the other high averaging rucks at the moment.

If I read you right the upgrades you're mentioning would be 1 defender, 1 ruck, and 1 forward to push Nank to F7?

EDIT: I'll get to see Witherden's score before I have to decide; if he does well then it will increase the likelihood that I'll grab Cunico.

Thanks again for your help.
 

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Nineties are fine with me; Ideally Gawn will push Nank to F6 or even better, F7; I'm happy to keep Witts; as I'm not really confident on any of the rucks that have been playing (It's why I traded Sandi to Rockliff instead of straight swapping him a couple of weeks back. If Gawn seems fit I'll be willing to take the risk, as there are ??? over most of the other high averaging rucks at the moment.

If I read you right the upgrades you're mentioning would be 1 defender, 1 ruck, and 1 forward to push Nank to F7?
That's correct. I think people should be trading Nank out now, before he loses too much value, or get him to F7 as quick as they can. You probably have enough depth in your Fwd line (if JJK would ever come back!), and enough trades, to push Nank to F7. A lot of people will be stuck with him at F6, and I think they'll leak points.
 
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That's correct. I think people should be trading Nank out now, before he loses too much value, or get him to F7 as quick as they can. You probably have enough depth in your Fwd line (if JJK would ever come back!), and enough trades, to push Nank to F7. A lot of people will be stuck with him at F6, and I think they'll leak points.
Toby Greene, as much as I've advised against picking due to his poor discipline, is probably the frontrunner for the last spot - or Mitch Wallis, with the DPP advantage, although I already have 2 doggies up front anyway, and my team would feel a little more balanced if I didn't add a third, maybe? Then it's slim pickings unless I want to take a punt on someone riskier.
 

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Hey Rowsus

Hope all is well.

I plan on completing my defence this week and I am agonizingly $200 short of my desired trade in of Shaw, which had forced me to think outside the box.

My 5 defence premos are Doch, Adams, Laird, Lloyd and JJ so as you can see I already have the "obvious" budget options in Lloyd and JJ.

I am thinking about grabbing Salem this week for my D6 spot. I guess I'd be backing him to have a second half of the year breakout like we see happen with alot of young players. He's looked pretty good the last 2 weeks when I've watched him.

He also saves me 50k on the other main option in my price range Jeremy Mcgovern. I figure that 50k saved should help ensure I can grab one of Gawn/Rocky when they bottom out in a few weeks too.

What are your thoughts on Salem from here? Valid option or should I be looking elsewhere?

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MrM
Hey MrM,
Salem is an option, for those looking for a value D6, but I think I'd be more inclined to try T McDonald. When we get a Ruck back, which should be this week, he should be playing a more settled role. He certainly finished last season well (8/108). If you really want to take a risk at some value, then maybe even J Martin (but only if you really need to take some value risks!)
Hey MrM,
I'm really hoping you went T Mac! :D
 

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Hey MrM,
I'm really hoping you went T Mac! :D
I really wish I did :( Unfortunately Salem entered my team at around 7pm tonight. Wanted to make sure I had extra funds so I could grab Gawn in a couple weeks.

I was watching the Bulldogs game when he got injured so I didnt see it, did it look like a bad hammy?
 

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I really wish I did :( Unfortunately Salem entered my team at around 7pm tonight. Wanted to make sure I had extra funds so I could grab Gawn in a couple weeks.

I was watching the Bulldogs game when he got injured so I didnt see it, did it look like a bad hammy?
From what I saw, it wasn't too bad. He might not even miss a week.
 
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Well, they're more than competitive, but they're lacking game long consistency, and some Forward polish.
There's only been one game this season, where in the last quarter Melbourne hasn't had the lead, or the scores tied!
That means we've been in a position to win every game bar one, yet we are sitting 7 and 5!
No, we won't be winning the flag this year. The planets only align for teams at our level/standard once every 15 or 20 years, and it appears that happened last year! Even if we do make it, I won't be able to attend, unfortunately.
They may have aligned for two years in a row. It is looking like a weird season Rowan. Anything can happen and probably will. I still back GWS once they get close to full team on park, but if they do not get close to best team on park at finals it will be open to anyone really and you guys if make top 4 right in the mix.
Also reckon as strange as a season as it has been already, it still may get stranger. Sydney Swans rising from the cellar regions of ladder could be on the biggest rise within a season in league history. I think in league history only 1945 could compare for it if they amazingly won the flag.
It is a very interesting season we are having.
 
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Hey MrM,
I'm really hoping you went T Mac! :D
Hey Rowsus; as an extension to that question, I have Doc, Adams, Laird, Lloyd and Shaw as my defenders, and I want to upgrade Stewart this week; would you say Tom McDonald was as good as any defender going around right now as an upgrade option, or just good as a value pick, and someone like Roberton or Hurley would be a better option if I had the $$$?
 
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Hey Rowsus,

Which defenders do you think average the most from here? I've got Doch, Adams, Laird and Lloyd, and I'm having trouble splitting Rance, Howe and Roberton. In my mind Rance is #1 but Howe has a bit of a POD factor
 

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Hey Rowsus; as an extension to that question, I have Doc, Adams, Laird, Lloyd and Shaw as my defenders, and I want to upgrade Stewart this week; would you say Tom McDonald was as good as any defender going around right now as an upgrade option, or just good as a value pick, and someone like Roberton or Hurley would be a better option if I had the $$$?
Hey Eagling,
I can't give you a specific reason, but I'm a bit wary with Roberton. Has he had his time in the sun, and now he'll drop back to what you used to expect from him? I don't know. Hurley has been super consistent, and we know TMc can get on a run. As I suggested last week, the return of a genuine Ruck really helps him. When Hogan and Watts are both in the team, TMc won't get to go Forward as often, but the other key to him scoring better late last year, was his brothers improvement. His brother is playing even better now, so I'm quite bullish on TMc doing ok from here. I'd choose from TMc and Hurley.

Barlow is not the key midfielder I'm looking for?
The other part of the equation was "a couple of key Mids", so no, Barlow going isn't enough.
 
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Hey Eagling,
I can't give you a specific reason, but I'm a bit wary with Roberton. Has he had his time in the sun, and now he'll drop back to what you used to expect from him? I don't know. Hurley has been super consistent, and we know TMc can get on a run. As I suggested last week, the return of a genuine Ruck really helps him. When Hogan and Watts are both in the team, TMc won't get to go Forward as often, but the other key to him scoring better late last year, was his brothers improvement. His brother is playing even better now, so I'm quite bullish on TMc doing ok from here. I'd choose from TMc and Hurley.



The other part of the equation was "a couple of key Mids", so no, Barlow going isn't enough.
Thanks once again; I did consider starting TMac, but I'll bring him in
 
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