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I think most will say preserve trades and grab Harbrow but thought I’d put it out there anyway.

4 trades and 65k left means limited options when trading Vlas (Harbrow, Pearce) seem the best bets as i’m just shy of Hartlett/Terlich types.
Do I dare use a second trade on Webster-Oxley meaning I can then open up DPP with Staker/Oxley being able to switch which would be great for any STI’s. Leaves me with enough to then take a McKenzie instead of Harbrow who could be 10 PPG better.


Currently:
Goddard, Gibbs, Hanley, Shaw, Heppell, Vlas (Clisby, Webster)
Ablett, Pendles, Swan, Danger, Selwood, Cotchin, JPK, Fyfe (Mitchell, Martin)
Minson, Luey (Nicholls, Hannath)
Bartel, Cox, SJ, Naita, Rockliff, Buddy (Staker, Hitchcock)

Scored a 2430 odd last week and currently sitting 200th so keen to go for broke from here.

So essentially 3 trades and Cannon + Staker DPP vs 4 trades with Harbrow? DPP is a nice little bonus w/ getting the cannon.
It's actually quite funny seeing Terlich as a trade in option! Not to say you are wrong, just that some coaches with him, are weighing up trading him out!

Definitely creating a link for Staker is something worth considering. I would suggest Richards over Oxley, as he has better use a floating donut, as he has more later games than Oxley. They are both $96,200 in price.

If you are really keen to go for broke, I have a leftfield suggestion for you at the end of my reply! :)

Option 1a - vanilla

Vlastuin to Pearce D/Harbrow/Adcock/Watts/Henderson/Goodes/Scotland
Nothing there that is making me salivate. Questionable improvement on a few in that list, and no guaranteed improvement over 5/game from any of them. Verdict - no thanks, too bland.

Option 1b - vanilla with sprinkles
Webster to Richards - cash goes up to $126,200.
Vlastuin to Taylor/Thompson SD/McKenzie/Houli/Enright/Mackie
Of those options I lean towards McKenzie and Enright. SDT's average is hanging on 1 good score, that has bumped it up 4-5/game. McKenzie has upside, and Enright has history. If you're shooting for a finish around 150th, you could go this route and cross your fingers.

Option 2 - You really want to go for broke? - RockyRoad with 24ct gold flakes!

The gold could be valuable, or it could lead to heavy metal poisoning!
The only chance I can see that you can make an extraordinary amount of ground, is to go a bit ballsy, and force some PODS. You need to try for a double edged sword. Cut a player that most of the teams above you have, hope he fails from here, and make combinations that probably don't exist in too many teams above you! If the player fails (ie scores about 10-15 less than those that have him hoped for), and you replace him with someone that goes considerably above that score, you nearly double your improvement.
Here's what I'm thinking. Back Mitchell to score within the ball park of JPK, and trade JPK out!
Since round 10 Mitchell has gone: 87, 126, 84, 99, 106 - average 100.4. If we want to be really generous, we can say his debut match was only 2.5 quarters. If you factor that in, his average jumps up to 108.5.
In that same stretch of games, JPK went: 126, 86, 107, 88, 96 - average 100.6. You can see, it's not a complete long shot that Mitchell might nearly cover JPK's score for you! Remember, he doesn't have to cover it exactly, if you use the money from JPK well! 71% of the top 100 teams have JPK. If he "fails", or just covers Mitchell's score, you create a great POD by not having him!
Part 2 of the plan. Create combination POD's!!!
What are combination POD's? - let's look at some of MarkM's great work. Lot's of top 100 Coaches have:
Mitchell (100% - but how many are playing him? 50%?) Ablett - 99% and Pendlebury 96%.
Fewer top 100 Coaches have:
Swan 80%, Selwood 60%, Dangerfield 59%, Griffin 27%
We started out with this premise, hoping that in rough mathematical terms, that Mitchell = JPK. So let's forget for the moment only (maybe) 50% of Coaches have Mitchell playing, and just say they cancel each other out.
Looking at the 6 players above, and using the the top 100 Coaches %'s we see that:
0.99 x 0.96 x 0.80 x 0.60 x 0.59 x 0.27 = .0727, or 7.27% of Coaches mathematically will own all 6 of those players! It still leaves you with one player. In your case, we are talking either Cotchin (56%) or Fyfe (30). Add those in, and we could say only 4 or 2 to 3 Coaches have those 8 on the ground in the top 100.
Now let's look at the Rucks. Goldstein 57%, Minson 33%, Leuenberger 7%.
Leuey's a POD, but will he keep pace with the other 2?
In their last 4 matches, since Leuey returned, they have averaged:
Goldy 113.8, Leuey 112.5, Minson 104.3
Your opinion is most probably different to mine, but I can see one of the three possibly falling off the pace, and giving up 10-15 points to the other 2. I like Goldy to not be that Ruck! If you like Goldy, this a chance to take him! Or if you don't like Goldy, and think the other 2 will score just as well, look elsewhere for improvements.
You're starting to get the picture now. Convention says, the winner wins because his D6, M8, R2 and F6 out perform his nearest rivals. They share most of the same Super Premiums and Premiums. But what if you build a SUPER TEAM. A team that has all the top 16 players, but that every other team only has 13 or 14 of those top 16 players!
Trade JPK down to Atkins, it creates a DPP link M/F for further back up, and gives you $65k + $398k = $463k to go upgrading.
Who are the potential up grades?
Griffen - $664,900, B/E 152 - by trading out
Cotchin - $495,500, B/E 93 - struggling for big scores this season. Averaging 108 for the season, and 97 his last 6! OR
Fyfe - $497,900, B/E 155 - also struggling for WOW scores. Season average 104, last 4 average 90!
Given we're trying to max our POD's, keep Fyfe, ditch Cotchin. This week that cost $169,400. According to SC Gold, it will cost $158,100 next week.
Goldstein - $551,800, B/E 104 - SC Gold predict his next 3 prices to be: $557,500, $566,000, $567,400
Shifting Minson, or Leuey, to goldy will only cost a mere $50k at most. Easily done if you desire.
Nicholls - $325,500, B/E 16 - SC Gold predict his next 3 prices to be: $361,000, $393,200, $416,300
Vlastuin - $360,500, B/E 155
I still think the best options are McKenzie and Enright, even though you can afford who ever you want. McKenzie cost you $115,500, and Enright $109,800.
My thoughts?
This week:
JPK to Atkins, Vlastuin to McKenzie - money left in bank $347,500.
Next week:
Cotchin to Griffen, which SC Gold says leaves you $232,000.
Nicholls to Goldstein which SC Gold says will cost $196k

Final team

Goddard, Gibbs, Hanley, Shaw, Heppell, McKenzie (Clisby, Webster)
Ablett, Pendles, Swan, Danger, Selwood, Griffen, Mitchell, Fyfe (Atkins, Martin)
Minson, Luey (Goldstein, Hannath)
Bartel, Cox, SJ, Naita, Rockliff, Buddy (Staker, Hitchcock)

You get to loophole the best out of your Rucks most weeks, as Fremantle play after at least 2 of the others nearly every week!
If Hitchcock doesn't play, you can loophole your Fwd's.
You Def has little cover for outs, so you might decide to delay Nicholls to Goldy a couple of weeks, just in case you need cover there.
It's risky, but there's no great reward without risk!
Remember - no one ever stole 2nd base, by keeping their foot on 1st base!

Which ever way you jump, I hope it works out well, and you finish higher than you are now!
Good luck! :)
 
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Boomer Harvey Rowsus? Very few of the top few hundred have him, looks a good POD to me.
Yeah, he certainly does. If you were 400-500 behind, and looking for avenues to make ground, he'd be a good option, I reckon. :)
 

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Hi Rowsus and fellow supercoach tragics,

I stumbled across this forum by chance in March and have been hooked ever since. Have made many moves based on the advice provided here. Actually can't believe that invoices aren't being sent out for some of the advice that goes out here. As we are coming to crunch time and placed either 1st or 2nd in my leagues (4000th overall - so the big prize is out the door) I have decided that this is time for my first post.

My query is based on who to keep and who to get rid of. Any thoughts from anyone will be much appreciated.

Goddard, Hartlett, Shaw, Gibbs, Terlich, Ellis (Goodes Thurlow)
GAJ, Pendles, Danger, Selwood, Cotchin, Fyfe, O'Meara, Mitchell (Martin, Colquhoun)
Cox, Nic Nat (Nicholls, Currie)
Bartel, Walker, Martin, Franklin, Rockliff, Kennedy (Staker, Macaffer)

Have 240k and 9 trades left.

Thinking O'Meara to SJ. Want to get Hanley in with his price so low but not sure who to drop or if I should even drop any of the three listed below with the backs being a raffle this year.
Terlich ave 94 since r7, Ellis 106 since r5 (leaving out his sub score), Goodes just consistent week in week out.

cheers
Hi Saintellica, welcome aboard!
A man with 9 trades left would seem to be a man chasing League glory, and I can see why you're so high up in your Leagues. Nice looking team.
O'Meara to SJ seems ok. If you think Hanley can return to his early season form, then yes, you should get him. His draw certainly says he's a chance to do it! You need to choose out of: Hartlett, Terlich, Ellis and Goodes. There is a good argument to keep, or dump, any of the 4. Most recent for says dump Ellis, but he has shown the greatest ability of the 4 to go large. Maybe Goodes is the next pick, but it is a toss between him and Terlich. Hartlett is only a little in front of those two.
Thurlow to Richards might be a good idea next week, too. Create a link for Staker.
You then need to decide between boning Macaffer or Martin for cash. It's probably Martin, down to a M/F DPP like Atkins. That will give you some cash for upgrades in round 18, and a link for coverage.
Good luck :)
 

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Just to note.. If you take Ellis' sub-affected scores out he is actually the #1 back in terms of averages at over 106!
Some creative license is required for this, so it's still to be seen if he can maintain that..
 

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Kære Rowsus,

I although I probably won't be trading this week (although I was considering JPK > Swan, except that JPK plays GWS), I have 3 trades left and just over 100k so have the possibility to probably do two upgrades and 1 downgrade this year at some stage.
My key targets are from: Minson, Swan, Griffen, Shaw or Rioli, while my trade-bait is likely from Gawn, Nicholls, Kmart, Hartlett, JPK, Fyfe or even Franklin with Hayden Schloithe or McBean as downgrade options.. Probably not a realistic chance at overall from here (more than 600 points off the leader), but I am aiming to be in the top 50 by years end..

Here's my team currently....
Goddard, Gibbs, Ellis, Hanley, Heppell, Hartlett (Goodes, Xrichards)
Ablett, Pendlebury, Dangerfield, Barlow Jselwood, Priddis, JPK, Fyfe (Tmitchell, Kmartin)
Goldstein, Cox (Nicholls, Gawn)
SJ, Bartel, Walker, Martin, Jjkennedy, Rockliff (Franklin, Staker)
Trades: 3, Cash: 102.8k

These are some of my thoughts so far..
  • Save them!
  • JPK > Swan .. hold 2 trades
  • Wait a week or 2, Gawn > Minson, Kmartin > McBean with Rockliff moving to mids, Cox into forwards.
  • Wait a week or 2, Gawn > McBean, Kmartin > Rioli
  • wait a week or 2, Gawn > McBean, JPK > Griffen, Fyfe > Swan
  • Kmartin > Schliothe, JPK > Swan... 1 trade left..

Can you think of any out-of-the-box ideas for ways I can effectively use my last 3 trades (saving them might be as crazy as it gets though ;) )

tack!
 
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So you'd back Mitchell over Rocky? Interesting choice but I reckon I'd do the same as well!
Btw was just wondering myself how come nobody mentioned this guy here who has this scoring pattern in his last 7 games:

102, 128, 107, 100, 94, 103, 104

Could be a sneaky POD JACK GUNSTON?
 
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So you'd back Mitchell over Rocky? Interesting choice but I reckon I'd do the same as well!
Btw was just wondering myself how come nobody mentioned this guy here who has this scoring pattern in his last 7 games:

102, 128, 107, 100, 94, 103, 104

Could be a sneaky POD JACK GUNSTON?
Should have taken him at the start of the season when I was talking about him ;)

Looking a bit breakout though - definitely in the mix for next year.
 

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Here is my assessment:
Australia to win 5 tests - 0.05%
Australia to win 4 tests - 0.91%
Australia to win 3 tests - 6.44%
Australia to win 2 tests - 23.0%
Australia to win 1 tests - 40.7%
Australia to win 0 tests - 28.9%
Lol answered in only a way Rowsus could! Reckon it was a good showing from us last night but alot depends on how day 2's morning session goes. Here's to hoping..

Anyway, what's the plans with your team for this week and what's your strategy for the rest of the year?
 

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Thanks for the advice Rowsus. The time you take to answer questions is much appreciated
 
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I'm back for another week Rowsus lol.

I have Watson to deal with and 5 trades. Do I just nip it in the bud and trade in Swan? It would be easier if the pies didnt play first up.

I can also EMG Crouch and take a look at his score. If it's no good I can play Mitchell or trade to someone else.
 
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Cheers for the analysis Rowsus, I'm intrigued now as to how many trades you plan on leaving for LTI's which will no doubt pop up?

Personally I think going any lower than two from this week will lead to a massive self inflicted bullet hole in my foot.

Your trade plan would leave me with 0 so I think that's a little too risky given we're likely to see players rested or injured between now and the run home.

The Nicholls-Goldstein feels a touch luxurious for mine given I see a Luey/Minson stable at least keeping pace with any stable above me if not better them.

If I had maybe one extra trade I might have looked into:

JPK-Atkins
Webster-McKenzie
Cotchin-Griffen

Meaning I'd be left with 1 trade, but solid cover in Vlas, Atkins DPP, Nicholls and Staker for the remainder of the season.

I guess a late out in the mids would absolutely finish me however..

Thoughts?

Would end with:
Goddard, Gibbs, Hanley, Shaw, Heppell, McKenzie (Vlas, Clisby)
Ablett, Pendles, Swan, Danger, Selwood, Griffen, Mitchell, Fyfe (Atkins, Martin)
Minson, Luey (Nicholls, Hannath)
Bartel, Cox, SJ, Naita, Rockliff, Buddy (Staker, Hitchcock)

And 1 trade.

Mid bench too much of a worry?
 

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Cheers for the analysis Rowsus, I'm intrigued now as to how many trades you plan on leaving for LTI's which will no doubt pop up?
Happy to offer my thoughts. :) I actually have no thoughts as to what I might hold back for LTI's. It depends on how well I get to structure my DPP's in my last trades. We're not really comparing apples with apples though. In poker terms, you are sitting on the edge of the championship table, while I am sitting at the $5 and $10 blinds table!

Personally I think going any lower than two from this week will lead to a massive self inflicted bullet hole in my foot.

Your trade plan would leave me with 0 so I think that's a little too risky given we're likely to see players rested or injured between now and the run home.
Here's the thing. You are sitting with a reasonable amount of chips in front of you (sitting 200th), and your hand is not too shabby (your team looks ok). You have two choices. Risk it all, and go all in (burn those trades for a shot at glory). Or limp in, knowing the best prize you can get from here is a 140-150th finish (play 2 trades, and hold 2 trades). There is no possible way for you to make really significant ground, without using everything you've got, AND taking risks. You can only make ground in this game on the POD's in your team. While your team looks good, it also looks very similar to most of the 200 teams above you. You have to force some POD's if you want a hope of getting higher than that 140th finish. You only have 3 ways of doing that.
1st - Trade out a player (nearly) everyone has, and is relying on. Obviously you need that player to underperform from here for this POD to work. Of the players with over 70% top 100 Coach ownership, that would seem to be JPK. You could say "why not go the whole hog, and trade out Ablett?". The answer to that is, history would suggest the only thing that would make Ablett underperform over a period of time is an injury. There will be many Coaches above you go Ablett to Griffen/Swan if there is a perception of him playing injured over a few weeks. You would keep a POD against the Coaches that kept him, of course. But players sitting closer to the leader than you will be throwing some Hail Mary passes up soon, and would be quick to react.
2nd - Plump for a player currently below the top level, that next to no one has, and hope he suddenly becomes a much better player! A really difficult thing to do, especially late in the season. To me, it is the riskiest of the 3 options. Any Coaches considering it need to look for a fallen Premium (Montagna/Hodge type), or a young player with under 80-90 games, that has shown the ability to score 140+, but is currently scoring 85-90's. It is preferable that the player is facing a restructure in his team due to a LTI or suspension. Off the top of my head, that slightly describes Howlett. Not that I'm suggesting him, he just popped into my head as I was writing this. 2 good scores rounds 1 and 2, dropped off, but now faces a team without Watson.
3rd - create "irresistible" combinations. Yes, nearly every team has: Ablett, Pendlebury, Swan, Griffen, Dangerfield, Selwood, Mitchell (on the ground playing, though?), Goddard, Gibbs, Shaw, Hanley, Minson, Goldstein, Bartel, Cox, SJ and Naita. But when you drill down to it, how many have ALL of them? The truth is (I haven't checked), I would fall off my chair if even 2 or 3 teams in the top 100 Coaches have those 17 players going around. As Tracy pointed out in one of her posts, it then becomes a case of looking at match ups. You are basically in 199 SC matches each week. You are trying to beat as many of the Coaches above you as you can in a weekly match. You are hoping they have JPK and Cotchin at M5/6 and you are matching up your Dangerfield and Selwood against them, because you have built that "irresistible" combination that places them there!

The Nicholls-Goldstein feels a touch luxurious for mine given I see a Luey/Minson stable at least keeping pace with any stable above me if not better them.
Upon a nights sleep, and reflection, it was probably one step too far. The thought behind it was, firstly I have a gut feel the wheels will fall off one of the 3 in the run home. Obviously the effect is less if it is Leuey, but greater to you! This would effectively ruin a lot of the high ranked Coaches seasons. Which one, I'm not sure. Secondly, by getting to loophole them through Hannath, you nearly make sure you end up with best of the Ruck scores each week. You also have better Ruck coverage than just about every Coach above you, who will mostly clinging to Nicholls at R3

If I had maybe one extra trade I might have looked into:

JPK-Atkins
Webster-McKenzie
Cotchin-Griffen

Meaning I'd be left with 1 trade, but solid cover in Vlas, Atkins DPP, Nicholls and Staker for the remainder of the season.

I guess a late out in the mids would absolutely finish me however..

Thoughts?

Would end with:
Goddard, Gibbs, Hanley, Shaw, Heppell, McKenzie (Vlas, Clisby)
Ablett, Pendles, Swan, Danger, Selwood, Griffen, Mitchell, Fyfe (Atkins, Martin)
Minson, Luey (Nicholls, Hannath)
Bartel, Cox, SJ, Naita, Rockliff, Buddy (Staker, Hitchcock)

And 1 trade.

Mid bench too much of a worry?
I actually like the look of it! I wouldn't worry about only having 1 trade left, either. You Mid bench is risky, but the DPP helps provide cover. I think it's the direction you should maybe go in.
Late season trades are either a weapon, or a parachute. Use them to attack, or to guarantee a soft landing in case you fall out of the plane (lose a player to an LTI/suspension). Having the parachute is nice and comforting, but you will never beat the bad guys (the Coaches in front of you) if the only weapon you use is McKenzie in for Vlastuin. You are better to risk a hard landing, and aim as high as you can, than strap on that parachute, and hope you land in 140th!
Look at Chewy last season. Used his 2nd last trade in round 16. Waited until round 20 to use his last (Porplyzia to Fyfe), and if memory serves me, might have still won without using that trade!
Fantastic opportunities are created, when people behave like sheep. Move with the herd, and be safe. If the herd fails, you fail, but that's ok, everyone else did too! A lot of the greatest successes in life come to people that are counter-intuitive. If everyone is running to the left, they run to the right! At the moment you are the 200th sheep running in a pack towards the feed trough. You can run with the pack towards that same feed trough you and the other sheep eat at everyday, and be the 140th (if you are quick and lucky!). OR, you can run to a different feed trough, and eat a lot quicker! The risk is, if the 2nd feed trough is empty, you could be 250th or even 300th sheep to eat.
Your choice is this, get to the end of the season, pat yourself on the back for a great season, well played. You finished 167th. You will always wonder where you might have got to, if you just took that one or two more risks. Or you can go all in now, maybe hold a small handful of chips back for the taxi home, and see just where you can get! Who knows what reward taking the greater risk will bring? The only certainty is, if you run with the pack, you'll never make any significant ground. There are too many sheep in front of you, that are already as fast, or faster, than you. You can get past enough of them while you have so many other sheep around you!
Good luck, which ever direction you run in! :)
 
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Damn Rowsus, your time, effort and analysis here simply fantastic. Dips' me lid to you.
 
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just punched some numbers and it looks like I'd fall ~30k short of grabbing Griffen next week so can't see myself taking the leap of faith now.

appreciate the advice mate, leaning towards grabbing the improving Harbrow who's last month has looked fantastic vs Webster-Oxley & Vlastuin-McKenzie, leaving 2 trades and 72k.

erghh.
 
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Rowsus you're a legend. I read your responses to our questions and not only am I getting great supercoach advice but it seems great life coaching too! From now on I'm going to zig when everyone else zags.
 

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just punched some numbers and it looks like I'd fall ~30k short of grabbing Griffen next week so can't see myself taking the leap of faith now.

appreciate the advice mate, leaning towards grabbing the improving Harbrow who's last month has looked fantastic vs Webster-Oxley & Vlastuin-McKenzie, leaving 2 trades and 72k.

erghh.
That's ok, I'm happy if I spurred some thoughts in your mind. I've reconsidered my stance on your proposal (the one you fall just short $30k on). I can't see the point of doing the JPK strategy, unless it brings in 2 new Premiums from the upper echelon. JPK and Cotchin out, for Griffen and Mitchell playing doesn't balance the pros and cons, unless you bring in another Premium as well. So it might be just as well you fell $30k short! :)
 

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Rowsus you're a legend. I read your responses to our questions and not only am I getting great supercoach advice but it seems great life coaching too! From now on I'm going to zig when everyone else zags.
Thanks minidee! :) You'll be amazed at how it changes your perspective on things, once you decide to be counter-intuitive!
It doesn't work all the time, but when it does, the rewards are much bigger. Just be sure there is some thought and reason behind your counter-intuitive moves in life. Sometimes the pack is moving in the one direction for a good reason, sometimes it is just a case of people going with the flow. Learning to identify which is which is the key. You don't have to be right all the time, just often enough to make it worthwhile. :)
 
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just punched some numbers and it looks like I'd fall ~30k short of grabbing Griffen next week so can't see myself taking the leap of faith now.

appreciate the advice mate, leaning towards grabbing the improving Harbrow who's last month has looked fantastic vs Webster-Oxley & Vlastuin-McKenzie, leaving 2 trades and 72k.

erghh.
Did you consider the Vlast to Watts option ? ( page 6, round 16 trades )
Only reason I put it out there was dpp to Staker, massive pod, could be done in one trade and is playing better footy under Neil Craig.
So many options but it has to be high risk, high reward now.
Good luck inwhiterooms, very interested to see where you go with your next trades.
BTW, can't go wrong with the Harbrow trade either.
 

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Did you consider the Vlast to Watts option ? ( page 6, round 16 trades )
Only reason I put it out there was dpp to Staker, massive pod, could be done in one trade and is playing better footy under Neil Craig.
So many options but it has to be high risk, high reward now.
Good luck inwhiterooms, very interested to see where you go with your next trades.
BTW, can't go wrong with the Harbrow trade either.
There's a huge difference between linking Watts and Staker as a DPP, and Richards/Oxley and Staker.
When you link Richards/Oxley and Staker, you get use from the Rookie not playing, and it creates some coverage in the line that Staker isn't sitting in.
When you link Watts and Staker, you are hoping/expecting both will play each week, and be in your starting line up. That being the case, they only cover each other for a player missing! You can't cover another player being out by using them, as you are only swapping them about.
Watts/Staker link covers only 2 players if you have an out - Watts or Staker.
Richards/Staker link covers all the players in Richards line!
The only thing worse than a DPP with no corresponding partner (Blicavs anyone? - he was useful as a player, but his DPP worth was cut in quarter because you could not make a link with him), is a DPP with only one link! By having the link to a player you don't expect to be in your starting 22, you effectively create a link to every player in that "non-starters" line!
 

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From now on I'm going to zig when everyone else zags.
Just as a counterpoint, here are some successful zags from this year..

Priddis - Ave 108 since I brought him in for 451k (Rd8)
Franklin - Ave 100 for me, 433k (Rd9) - not including his Rd15 score, since I took Stakers 110
Pendlebury - Ave 135, paid 610k (Rd11)
Selwood - Ave 113, paid 492k (R13)

All very popular trades at the time which have all given small wins..
 
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