Position Defender Discussion

[GrainFedBeef]

Roberton is dependent for me on the next Marsh game, would need to show a little bit for me to start him but again depends on what other rookies might be avaible and their scoring potential. Awkward price, he won't post keeper scores IMO either on aggregate or average.

I'm looking at Noble vs. Roberton and thinking Noble comes out ahead. If he scores 80+ next game he's more valuable than Rowell is he not?

Costs more, has inferior JS and likely will average less. Can't see how that makes him more valuable. Or am I missing something?

Lots of good debate on this one.

I like Roberton and think it is challenging to compare to Noble when adjusting for job security. Think we would take 80+ from most of these names.

What about Roberton vs D Smith, cheaper, both unlikely to be keepers and a Stephen Hill can be move forward for some allowing a direct comparison if you choose to drop Smith for Roberton to free up cash.

Lets face it Dimmawit, no one is dropping Rowell anytime soon! ha ha Roberton currently D3 for me so think it would be risky to go down to noble, more justified if Roberton is D4/5.

 

[Kidult]

Not sure if it’s been posted but Dawson/Lloyd pre bye/post bye scores are interesting. Seems Dawson played more def post byes.

Pre bye v post bye
Dawson 81 v 94
Lloyd 117 v 99

The one game Dawson missed in R18, Lloyd scored 121...!

lloyd had a fwd tag on him 2nd half of year and dawson grew on his role

 

[Erich1036]

lloyd had a fwd tag on him 2nd half of year

That simply isn't true. The only evidence I can find of Lloyd being tagged in the second half of the season was round 15 against the Suns (by Brad Scheer).

 

[Kidult]

That simply isn't true. The only evidence I can find of Lloyd being tagged in the second half of the season was round 15 against the Suns (by Brad Scheer).

8/10 of the games i watched he had a tag until 3 qtr time then got off the leash in a few to barely scrape the ton at times

 

[Bermi]

Poll has been reset after Marsh 1.

Actually, no players caught my eye because I didn't see any games
Hard for me to select any standout player from the info that I have read, but I rate them differently to a degree. Keen to see the Marsh 2 games before committing.

 

[Seymour Skinner]

Likely to be played in the small forward role.

Wouldn't of thought so, not with Rioli, Castagna, Bolton already in the team, Butler is gone as the backup but now that just becomes Aarts spot in case of emergency, Markov also training as a fwd, but he sucks.
They aren't going to waste Stack as a small forward, especially when we have another Rioli coming through next year.

Still, wouldn't recommend picking him.

 

[Toothless Tigers]

Wouldn't of thought so, not with Rioli, Castagna, Bolton already in the team, Butler is gone as the backup but now that just becomes Aarts spot in case of emergency, Markov also training as a fwd, but he sucks.
They aren't going to waste Stack as a small forward, especially when we have another Rioli coming through next year.

Still, wouldn't recommend picking him.

Round 15 is when Sydney Stack moved into the forwards


NAB AFL Rising Star contender Sydney Stack was also crucial in the win, booting four goals, including three in the first half, in a dynamic display in attack, while young ruckman/forward Mabior Chol kicked three in a promising performance.

https://www.afl.com.au/matches/1872#match-report

'He's a very good player': Dimma lauds sensational Stack
First-year Tiger draws plenty of praise as Hardwick switches him forward

https://www.afl.com.au/news/132847/sensational-stack-puts-on-a-firsthalf-masterclass

 

[Seymour Skinner]

Round 15 is when Sydney Stack moved into the forwards
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NAB AFL Rising Star contender Sydney Stack was also crucial in the win, booting four goals, including three in the first half, in a dynamic display in attack, while young ruckman/forward Mabior Chol kicked three in a promising performance.

https://www.afl.com.au/matches/1872#match-report

'He's a very good player': Dimma lauds sensational Stack
First-year Tiger draws plenty of praise as Hardwick switches him forward

https://www.afl.com.au/news/132847/sensational-stack-puts-on-a-firsthalf-masterclass

Just because he played a ⅓ of the season forward doesn't mean it will persist.

Was back playing as a defender again the other day.

May be moved around during the year but won't be left to wallow in the fwd line.

 

[Bomber18]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1234641306615341056

I’m not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but a R11 bye would have massive ramifications.

I think picking Houston and Roberton together would no longer be viable.

 

[Diabolical]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1234641306615341056

I’m not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but a R11 bye would have massive ramifications.

I think picking Houston and Roberton together would no longer be viable.

Unless you can keep a path open to get Houston into your mids?

 

[aps1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1234641306615341056

I’m not sure if this has been posted elsewhere but a R11 bye would have massive ramifications.

I think picking Houston and Roberton together would no longer be viable.

It would make Houston an interesting trade in target, as i don’t expect his price to get out of hand.

 

[Bomber18]

It would make Houston an interesting trade in target, as i don’t expect his price to get out of hand.

Yes, that's also a very valid point. I think if the change was made, I would take Houston out. Roberton obviously offers more value.

 

[Courtesans]

Bit keen on Howe...

 

[donnybuang]

Bit keen on Howe...

Seems to do better without Moore around.

 

[armesy]

Liking the debate on Roberton. My 2 cents.

In the 2 seasons he has played the loose man, running half back role which were 2015 and 2017 he averaged 91 and 93. 2016 I am happy to be corrected but i think they had injuries to their Key backman and he had to play an entirely different role that year. This season they have Carlisle, Wilkie and Howard. I can't see him playing lockdown. In those 2 good years he posted some large scores. Just the type of scores that can make you cash quickly in this game.

2015 - 4 x 120 and 1 x 140
2017 - 5 x 115 and 1 x 140

Price $260,400. He is priced at 48 ppg. Conservatively if he is fit and plays his trademark role i believe his floor average would be 80 and you can count on him throwing in some very large games. I would lean more to him averaging closer to 85-90 than 80. Remember those previous scores were before the kick in rule change.

These calculations may be a few years old but a quick estimate of his price gain by the byes is as follows. (If anyone can correct me on this it would be appreciated as if I am way off it would be handy to know) As i have said i don't think its unreasonable to expect a spike game thrown in randomly and fingers crossed for owners you get a couple in a row.

Average 70 80 90
Approx Price gain $124,000.00 $175,000.00 $226,000.00

Price gains like the above are comparable to any good rookie.


I know midpricers are a dangerous game, but he is getting down towards rookie price. Added to the fact that he is not a breakout contender, he is a fallen premium (barely).

Overall, if he passes the eye test to me in the Saints game this weekend he is a must pick. Any kick ins he takes are just an added bonus.

 

[Bomber18]

Liking the debate on Roberton. My 2 cents.

In the 2 seasons he has played the loose man, running half back role which were 2015 and 2017 he averaged 91 and 93. 2016 I am happy to be corrected but i think they had injuries to their Key backman and he had to play an entirely different role that year. This season they have Carlisle, Wilkie and Howard. I can't see him playing lockdown. In those 2 good years he posted some large scores. Just the type of scores that can make you cash quickly in this game.

2015 - 4 x 120 and 1 x 140
2017 - 5 x 115 and 1 x 140

Price $260,400. He is priced at 48 ppg. Conservatively if he is fit and plays his trademark role i believe his floor average would be 80 and you can count on him throwing in some very large games. I would lean more to him averaging closer to 85-90 than 80. Remember those previous scores were before the kick in rule change.

These calculations may be a few years old but a quick estimate of his price gain by the byes is as follows. (If anyone can correct me on this it would be appreciated as if I am way off it would be handy to know) As i have said i don't think its unreasonable to expect a spike game thrown in randomly and fingers crossed for owners you get a couple in a row.

Average 70 80 90
Approx Price gain $124,000.00 $175,000.00 $226,000.00

Price gains like the above are comparable to any good rookie.


I know midpricers are a dangerous game, but he is getting down towards rookie price. Added to the fact that he is not a breakout contender, he is a fallen premium (barely).

Overall, if he passes the eye test to me in the Saints game this weekend he is a must pick. Any kick ins he takes are just an added bonus.

Great post! I think the kick in point is something that is being forgotten with him as well. Arguably adds a +3-5ppg upside on his historical averages as well.

 

[Connoisseur]

D Roberton:
Since 2015:
20 or more disposals: 97.28 from 40 (8/40 below 80, 24/40 below 100, 7/40 120+)
Less than 20 disposals: 66.96 from 24 (19/24 below 80, 24/24 below 100)

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Liking the debate on Roberton. My 2 cents.

In the 2 seasons he has played the loose man, running half back role which were 2015 and 2017 he averaged 91 and 93. 2016 I am happy to be corrected but i think they had injuries to their Key backman and he had to play an entirely different role that year. This season they have Carlisle, Wilkie and Howard. I can't see him playing lockdown. In those 2 good years he posted some large scores. Just the type of scores that can make you cash quickly in this game.

2015 - 4 x 120 and 1 x 140
2017 - 5 x 115 and 1 x 140

Price $260,400. He is priced at 48 ppg. Conservatively if he is fit and plays his trademark role i believe his floor average would be 80 and you can count on him throwing in some very large games. I would lean more to him averaging closer to 85-90 than 80. Remember those previous scores were before the kick in rule change.

These calculations may be a few years old but a quick estimate of his price gain by the byes is as follows. (If anyone can correct me on this it would be appreciated as if I am way off it would be handy to know) As i have said i don't think its unreasonable to expect a spike game thrown in randomly and fingers crossed for owners you get a couple in a row.

Average 70 80 90
Approx Price gain $124,000.00 $175,000.00 $226,000.00

Price gains like the above are comparable to any good rookie.


I know midpricers are a dangerous game, but he is getting down towards rookie price. Added to the fact that he is not a breakout contender, he is a fallen premium (barely).

Overall, if he passes the eye test to me in the Saints game this weekend he is a must pick. Any kick ins he takes are just an added bonus.

31SC points in a Supercoach Grand Final!!!!!! he owes me more than 85-90.............

 

[Bomber18]

So long Houston, you are now a trade in target

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/03/03/afl-lock-in-new-date-and-time-for-saints-power-clash/

 

[Bontempele]

Surely Roberton could just be traded before his bye? Don't think it changes the fact that Houston is a great pick.