Position Midfielder Discussion

[Herbie66]

Quite often the reverse is true of players taking on the captaincy. Macrae and Dunkley clearly ahead of The Bont for me, he just doesn’t hit those 30+ disposal games enough IMO.

Dunkley had more 30+ disposal games last year after his midfield move than The Bont has had in the last 3 years.

I just love The Bont as a player though , I really want to start my Fab 5 mids from the start but it now leaves me vulnerable in defence with Doc at D1.

Will need to wait on teams and see if the "cheapish" defence idea is the way to go.

Might even have 6-9 midfield viable rookies starting so need to get the balance right from the outset , really hope I can have a competitive (and enjoyable) SC this year.

 

[Herbie66]

Just to make it more confusing for you , I would leave J Kelly out until he proves to me that he is past being an injury risk. He is priced to average 117, that's pretty high. Sure, he could avg much higher, but also a risk to get injured.

He is my big hope for a very quick start , injury free probably one of the best Score scorers in the comp.

My all accounts he has had his best pre-season ever and is ready to fire.

First sign of trouble I realise he has to go , might be just in time for a "fallen" Danger or Oliver

 

[Herbie66]

Kelly is least appealing to me on an individual basis given injury concerns.

On a portfolio basis I think you’d have to say one of the Dogs. I have Macrae and would select Bont over Dunkley, although many good coaches prefer Dunks and I can see why.

Hopefully the cheaper rookies in defence allow me to keep all 5 , otherwise Grundy or Gawn might have to make way.

Why can't they just start the season now ?

 

[Herbie66]

Based on this season's positions and last year's points , the Top 15 on aggregate were :-

Macrae
Neale
Dunkley
Bontempelli
Treloar

Dangerfield
Oliver
Fyfe
Zorko
Cripps

Merrett
Parker
Pendlebury
Kelly , T
Duncan

 

[jaca]

Shame about Treloar's injury. Was a good value option.

 

[McLovin]

Bombers watchers would be best placed to comment but from what I've seen of him, he doesn't quite have the physique to play that inside role (there's not many at Bomber land nowadays). I see him more of an outside player who they're looking to for his run and carry to break lines.

I don't think anyone at the Bombers really has the physique for that inside role though. It's Shiel and then daylight based on who they used at stoppages in pre-season.

 

[Philzsay]

Worpel and Dunkley had role changes, so is McGrath going to have a role change.

RE:...…..does he have the tank to sustain it in that role...….
I can't see why not, he's played 62 games in 3 seasons and had a good preseason, but I don't know what his tank is like? I wouldn't be surprised if @THCLT has the answer

Afraid not...

He looks to be clearly part of the their core midfield group through Marsh, whether that's by design or through missing personnel is another question. Got plenty of the ball but not quite the CP style of a Dunkley or Worpel. He's more outside than inside so less tackles as well.

He has every chance to improve on this output if the role sticks for this season, however, being MID only pretty much makes him irrelevant for SC purposes.

Thanks @THCLT, I respect your thoughts. There's one info I can't find, is McGrath's playing style suited for inside Mid, so you suggest that he is not, which adds another possible negative to not start him. If he had dual positions, then almost a lock for me, if.

By the way, a BIG for your summary of relevant Rookies who took part in the Marsh Series Community matches.

Bombers watchers would be best placed to comment but from what I've seen of him, he doesn't quite have the physique to play that inside role (there's not many at Bomber land nowadays). I see him more of an outside player who they're looking to for his run and carry to break lines.

Personally I haven't considered McGrath from a SC perspevtive this year at all. I don't think he's quite ready to be SC relevant, will have some good games but I see him averaging around 90 ppg personally. His price is awkward with no real obvious signs of a breakout.

I don't think anyone at the Bombers really has the physique for that inside role though. It's Shiel and then daylight based on who they used at stoppages in pre-season.

In my humble view:

McGrath will get more pure midfield time, and less time on the wing. They recruited Cutler to play on the wing, and there is also this beauty of a skinny kid called Ham who will also develop on a wing.

The thing with McGrath to note is the style of inside mid he will be. He is not the crash and bash big boddied style. He is a weaver and dodger. His handballing, weaving, dodging, run and carry and ability to break the lines are his strengths. He does have a tank, one of the things that stood out to get taken as pick 1 was his ability to run out games and lift in the final quarters when games are on the line. For mine he will be a player that lifts when the pressure is on, and it was no surprise that he was about the only bloke to stand up in that disaster of a final against the Eagles last year. This kid has an intense internal drive to succeed.

His weakness are that he is small and not quite have a the body yet so can be pushed off the ball. Also his kicking is less than desired and still needs work.

I think he will increase his SC numbers this year, but not enough to warrant picking yet. He still has another year or two until he takes his game to his peak. I won't be taking him in my SC team.

All my opinion, I'm sure there will be some who have differing views.

 

[freowho]

In my humble view:

His weakness are that he is small and not quite have a the body yet so can be pushed off the ball. Also his kicking is less than desired and still needs work.

Italian Philzsay!

 

[Bermi]

In my humble view:

McGrath will get more pure midfield time, and less time on the wing. They recruited Cutler to play on the wing, and there is also this beauty of a skinny kid called Ham who will also develop on a wing.

The thing with McGrath to note is the style of inside mid he will be. He is not the crash and bash big boddied style. He is a weaver and dodger. His handballing, weaving, dodging, run and carry and ability to break the lines are his strengths. He does have a tank, one of the things that stood out to get taken as pick 1 was his ability to run out games and lift in the final quarters when games are on the line. For mine he will be a player that lifts when the pressure is on, and it was no surprise that he was about the only bloke to stand up in that disaster of a final against the Eagles last year. This kid has an intense internal drive to succeed.

His weakness are that he is small and not quite have a the body yet so can be pushed off the ball. Also his kicking is less than desired and still needs work.

I think he will increase his SC numbers this year, but not enough to warrant picking yet. He still has another year or two until he takes his game to his peak. I won't be taking him in my SC team.

All my opinion, I'm sure there will be some who have differing views.

A very good summary @Philzsay

Okay, McGrath sounds like he is a year, or 2, to early for Supercoach selection and his style of inside mid doesn't appear that he will rack up high SC numbers. That's enough info for me to not include McGrath this year. I like the player though!

Just a note, one of the many reasons that I was considering McGrath, was that he is physically similar to Neale in size: Neale 177cm/85kg, McGrath 178cm/83kg. But obviously different style players.

 

[donnybuang]

I took McGrath last year as a 3rd year breakout contender. Was appalling even as a defender. I'd need to see A LOT more to justify picking him as a mid.

 

[jones711]

Hi all. As I've been constantly chopping and changing my prem mids M1-M5, I decided to put together some numbers showing how consistently our premo mids have scored well in individual games over their past two seasons. There are many of you on here who i'm sure could improve upon this analysis, but here it is to share (in two parts) in the off chance it is helpful. The numbers are gamecounts based on score per game. The ranking number is calculated as: 2020 price divided by (number of great games (% of 110+ games) x total games). ie what is a great game going to cost you in SC terms, lowest numbers are best ranked. Using this analysis leaves me with Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Mitchell, Dangerfield, Oliver. That is six so Oliver comes in over Mitchell given the latter is coming back from serious injury.

 

[jones711]

And part two ....

 

[AngryAnt]

Hi all. As I've been constantly chopping and changing my prem mids M1-M5, I decided to put together some numbers showing how consistently our premo mids have scored well in individual games over their past two seasons. There are many of you on here who i'm sure could improve upon this analysis, but here it is to share (in two parts) in the off chance it is helpful. The numbers are gamecounts based on score per game. The ranking number is calculated as: 2020 price divided by (number of great games (% of 110+ games) x total games). ie what is a great game going to cost you in SC terms, lowest numbers are best ranked. Using this analysis leaves me with Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Mitchell, Dangerfield, Oliver. That is six so Oliver comes in over Mitchell given the latter is coming back from serious injury.

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Wow cheers for this, this is awesome.

Macrae 19/42 130+, wowsers.

Dunkley numbers aren't entirely representative however consider his first 6 or so games last season he was played mostly as a forward and also for the first half of 2018.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Love this. Exceptional stuff @jones711. I'm currently pondering the exact question.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I can't help but feel that Dunkley has been dealt a bad hand there @jones711 but great stuff

 

[All is Wells]

Almost everyone on SCS seems to be sleeping on Fyfe. 650k with a poor history of games played so there is definitely merit to it. However it's a guessing game i'm not too keen on being part of. What if his injury doesn't come until after his bye? It's a weekly prospect of leaving a guy out averaging 120 vs not trading him in for the inevitable 2 week injury he cops. His draw the first 5 weeks is nearly as good as it can get, only vsing 1 top 8 team from last year in Essendon. Plays GC rd 4 who he has never gone below 116 against in his 7 games against and then North in rd 5 who he averages 125 against in over 14 match ups. Will likely need to lock in an injury trade for him but with 40% ownership its a risk im willing to take at this stage.

 

[jarrad_]

are freo going to play as contested footy as they did under Lyon? thats my reasoning behind him not being in for me

 

[jaca]

Yea I love Fyfe.

Funnily enough the player I have least “self belief” in is Cripps. I’m picking him (it seems to me) because everyone else is.

I have Jelly too, which is making me wary of Fyfe. Good thing with Freo is they often allow him to be a C option too. Hmm.

 

[_Slip_]

If you were to only start 4 of Macrae , Cripps , J Kelly , Dunkley & the Bont who would you leave out ?

MacRae, Kelly , Dunkley and Cripps

 

[PC]

Almost everyone on SCS seems to be sleeping on Fyfe. 650k with a poor history of games played so there is definitely merit to it. However it's a guessing game i'm not too keen on being part of. What if his injury doesn't come until after his bye? It's a weekly prospect of leaving a guy out averaging 120 vs not trading him in for the inevitable 2 week injury he cops. His draw the first 5 weeks is nearly as good as it can get, only vsing 1 top 8 team from last year in Essendon. Plays GC rd 4 who he has never gone below 116 against in his 7 games against and then North in rd 5 who he averages 125 against in over 14 match ups. Will likely need to lock in an injury trade for him but with 40% ownership its a risk im willing to take at this stage.

New coach who has said they want to extend Fyfe's career by playing him more forward. Plus 4-5 mid choices to be made and there are clear stand outs. Also he is fully priced. All reasons people are staying away.