SCS Supercoach Ultimate League
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One of my learnings from my other keeper league (no salary or contracts) is don't underestimate the draft classes. We are now only into our 4th year, but teams that have done their research and drafted well out of 'that years draft class' definitely prepared themselves for long term success. Now it all comes down to where you are in the premiership window, etc. Like year one of our other league I was pushing for the flag and played off in the Grand Final, that year I traded my 1st Round Pick to Ken, and had also moved on my 2nd Rounder for a later 2nd Rounder. In the last two years, particularly this year I needed to refresh my list so went mighty hard at top end draft talent.
It won't necessarily be about having blokes who played Round 1. I think you'll still see players drafted in our league who might've been on AFL lists for 2-3 years and yet to play a game.
It won't necessarily be about having blokes who played Round 1. I think you'll still see players drafted in our league who might've been on AFL lists for 2-3 years and yet to play a game.
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Draft doc looks amazing! Just having another quick through the rules and wanted to clarify something:
"At no time can a team exceed the salary cap."
Does this apply only to the current year? E.g. my team can be projected to be over the cap in future years, I would just be required to trade to bring myself under the cap during the o***eason before that season begins?
"At no time can a team exceed the salary cap."
Does this apply only to the current year? E.g. my team can be projected to be over the cap in future years, I would just be required to trade to bring myself under the cap during the o***eason before that season begins?
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This is precisely the part I feel it is a big deal, however it will all come down to each coaches view on players and strategy.
If you help a fellow league member, and they end up on a similar strategy to you. It could mean you will both be prepared to pay similar amounts for similar player.
Agree you will get what you are prepared to pay, however getting players well under what you are prepared to pay is a huge win!
If you help a fellow league member, and they end up on a similar strategy to you. It could mean you will both be prepared to pay similar amounts for similar player.
Agree you will get what you are prepared to pay, however getting players well under what you are prepared to pay is a huge win!
Haha - let’s just say on other sites, I wouldn’t necessarily be expecting any useable thoughts, but this one tends to be different!
Appreciate the thoughts everyone. Not sure I’m a threat in the near term so I suspect the main impact of your advice is just having a more engaged newbie or two in the mix ?
Appreciate the thoughts everyone. Not sure I’m a threat in the near term so I suspect the main impact of your advice is just having a more engaged newbie or two in the mix ?
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Great little session then testing out the Auction & Draft document.
Firstly, massive shout out and thanks to Ken. An incredible amount of time and effort into putting this together and it looks and works very well.
Ideally tomorrow I think we will all try to get onto a zoom call, and have a screen shared central timekeeping clock.
Reports from those involved in the zoom was that it worked quite well, and you didn't yet have a clock shared. So should work even better with a clock. This will then allow Ken to announce the start and stop, as well as any additional time that may be added and everyone will be in the know.
Firstly, massive shout out and thanks to Ken. An incredible amount of time and effort into putting this together and it looks and works very well.
Ideally tomorrow I think we will all try to get onto a zoom call, and have a screen shared central timekeeping clock.
Reports from those involved in the zoom was that it worked quite well, and you didn't yet have a clock shared. So should work even better with a clock. This will then allow Ken to announce the start and stop, as well as any additional time that may be added and everyone will be in the know.
Clarification for the initial draft.
Contract Structuring: Initial Draft
- Initially, there will be approximately 10 players (~25%) from the initial draft who would be eligible for contract structuring with teams. Over time this number will naturally increase.
- Teams may structure auction draft players acquired as they see fit, however the sum total of contracts in the first year must not fall below the sum of the average salaries, and adhere to the 50% rule.
- A maximum of 9 players may be taken per team in the auction draft section.
50% rule: Salaries cannot fall below nor exceed 50% of the average yearly salary in any one season. (FA and RFA)
Teams would be very unlikely to be able to satisfy the rule in future seasons, if it's not satisfied in the initial season.
Contract Structuring: Initial Draft
- Initially, there will be approximately 10 players (~25%) from the initial draft who would be eligible for contract structuring with teams. Over time this number will naturally increase.
- Teams may structure auction draft players acquired as they see fit, however the sum total of contracts in the first year must not fall below the sum of the average salaries, and adhere to the 50% rule.
- A maximum of 9 players may be taken per team in the auction draft section.
50% rule: Salaries cannot fall below nor exceed 50% of the average yearly salary in any one season. (FA and RFA)
Teams would be very unlikely to be able to satisfy the rule in future seasons, if it's not satisfied in the initial season.
An extremely useful session (thanks heaps for it) and some general observations that woke me up ... just had these nagging thoughts in the back of my mind that woke me up .... yep I have one of those minds that won't let something go if it doesn't seem right or make sense to me.
I make these observations on several fronts .... will use Worpel as an example and try to articulate my thoughts as best that I can in text:
1. Are the 2017 draft year (top end players) priced out of the draft for multiple year contracts ....
- On a one year deal he looks to be worth $533,775 (SCCKL) which is different to his actual SC price of $527,000 (inflated a touch but no big deal). Which price are we using .... I thought it was the SC one (clarification sought for my spreadsheet set up across most players)
- Even a one year contract starts at an inflated price in normal SC terms due to the MN but am aware we are playing a different game here ...
- But for a 2+ year contract to me he is almost unobtainable at the projected prices
- Of my short listed top end players from this draft class that this would also probably apply to are Kelly, Mihocek, Clark, Brayshaw etc off the top of my head .... had to adjust my spreadsheet tonight as I'd budgeted on their respective single year prices only (not the multiple year projected ones)
- I'm not overly concerned about missing out on any of them (well maybe) but could only offer single year contracts as otherwise I'd probably be better off waiting a year to see if they are still on the open market at more appropriate prices ...
2. However, this is will also apply to subsequent draft classes and is food for thought as to how long you can hold on to these rookies ...
- Which brings me to "in season" contract extensions (thinking 2018 draft class for now) .... what prices will they be based off ... probably missed it somewhere in the rules ...
3. Something else I have negated to also mention from my research:
- I think Callum Brown (GWS) is incorrectly priced in your master spreadsheet
- Only other discrepancies I "might" have stumbled across (haven't double checked) were the 2019 averages for Lynch (RIC), Reid (COL) and Williams (WBD) but to be honest these really made no "overall" difference to me ...
I make these observations on several fronts .... will use Worpel as an example and try to articulate my thoughts as best that I can in text:
1. Are the 2017 draft year (top end players) priced out of the draft for multiple year contracts ....
- On a one year deal he looks to be worth $533,775 (SCCKL) which is different to his actual SC price of $527,000 (inflated a touch but no big deal). Which price are we using .... I thought it was the SC one (clarification sought for my spreadsheet set up across most players)
- Even a one year contract starts at an inflated price in normal SC terms due to the MN but am aware we are playing a different game here ...
- But for a 2+ year contract to me he is almost unobtainable at the projected prices
- Of my short listed top end players from this draft class that this would also probably apply to are Kelly, Mihocek, Clark, Brayshaw etc off the top of my head .... had to adjust my spreadsheet tonight as I'd budgeted on their respective single year prices only (not the multiple year projected ones)
- I'm not overly concerned about missing out on any of them (well maybe) but could only offer single year contracts as otherwise I'd probably be better off waiting a year to see if they are still on the open market at more appropriate prices ...
2. However, this is will also apply to subsequent draft classes and is food for thought as to how long you can hold on to these rookies ...
- Which brings me to "in season" contract extensions (thinking 2018 draft class for now) .... what prices will they be based off ... probably missed it somewhere in the rules ...
3. Something else I have negated to also mention from my research:
- I think Callum Brown (GWS) is incorrectly priced in your master spreadsheet
- Only other discrepancies I "might" have stumbled across (haven't double checked) were the 2019 averages for Lynch (RIC), Reid (COL) and Williams (WBD) but to be honest these really made no "overall" difference to me ...
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