Discussion 2021: Strategy, Team & Player Discussions

[Darkie]

If Wanted a guns and rookies team like I always do then going Grundy and Gawn I can not fit 5 premium mids in I think with least 3 in defence and fwds

What are you inclined to do?

Increasingly my approach would be to accept starting 12 good premiums, rather than trying to get 13 and ending up with 10 plus some sub-par “premiums”.

 

[Darkie]

Easily fixed, start with picking Lloyd Gawn and Neale, then go from there!

Expect with these players then it will be picking a few of Heppell, Preuss, Rowell or others that don't cost $600k.

Question is who will be your two best capt options?

I reckon we’re a bit lucky this year that Grundy and Mitchell should be very good captaincy options, and they are both somewhat “cheap”. They were my first two picked.

At this stage I’m also likely to have guys like Danger and Cripps, who have some ceiling.

 

[Darkie]

Most of the main forwards look like upgrade targets. Is there any information about how Heeney recovered from his ankle injury?

I think there’s a reasonable argument that Dunkley is underpriced, and Danger should have a fast start based on his draw. Who are you thinking of?

 

[scarfaceclaw]

Sidebottom is overpriced but should be in the top 6 scorers. Hawkins is overpriced. Danger looks like his scoring will be erratic as he plays more forward. Martin is unlikely to improve and is focused on being right for the finals. Zorko is slowly going down hill. Walters played forward at the end of the season. Dunkley depends on what position he is played. Marshall depends on how much Ryder plays.

 

[BlueNwhiteHoops]

I think there’s a reasonable argument that Dunkley is underpriced, and Danger should have a fast start based on his draw. Who are you thinking of?

I think Dunkley was a no brainer before Treloar arrived, I might wait and see now rather than assume Doggies will put him in the middle as part of a retention plea.

 

[Darkie]

Sidebottom is overpriced but should be in the top 6 scorers. Hawkins is overpriced. Danger looks like his scoring will be erratic as he plays more forward. Martin is unlikely to improve and is focused on being right for the finals. Zorko is slowly going down hill. Walters played forward at the end of the season. Dunkley depends on what position he is played. Marshall depends on how much Ryder plays.

Ah yes - I agree with much of the above. I was thinking you were referring to the top forwards in the sense of the most appealing ones, rather than the highest priced ones.

Personally I have Danger, Dunks and Marshall.

 

[Darkie]

I think Dunkley was a no brainer before Treloar arrived, I might wait and see now rather than assume Doggies will put him in the middle as part of a retention plea.

Hehe - that might be smart, playing him in the mids would be the rational thing to do ... so there’s a strong chance the Dogs don’t do that 🙂

 

[scarfaceclaw]

Ah yes - I agree with much of the above. I was thinking you were referring to the top forwards in the sense of the most appealing ones, rather than the highest priced ones.

Personally I have Danger, Dunks and Marshall.

I have Dunks and Marshall at the moment. I was kind of keen on ziebell but starting to cool. I suppose it depends on how his new coach plays him.

 

[Darkie]

I have Dunks and Marshall at the moment. I was kind of keen on ziebell but starting to cool. I suppose it depends on how his new coach plays him.

Agreed, very similar for me. Ziebell is in for now, but certainly not one I’m wedded to. Has at least scored okay as a forward in the past, so presumably it wouldn’t be a foreign role even if he doesn’t play mids.

 

[Connoisseur]

Hard to go past Jez Cameron for a Bruyn Maneuver candidate:

R1 Crom
R2 Lions
R3 Hawks
R4 Dees
R5 North
R6 Eagles
R7 Swans

J Cameron:
2020:
Career low averages for Kicks, Goals, Marks Inside 50 and Score Involvements.

Avg of 4.8 Score Involvements in 2020 compared to 7.7 - 7.8 over the past 3 seasons.
6.8 Effective Disposals in 2020 which was his 1st time below 8 since 2015.
10.3 Disposals in 2020 after 3 consecutive seasons averaging 15+.
3.9 Marks in 2020 after 3 consecutive seasons averaging 6+.
1.4 goals in 2020. Only the 2nd time he has averaged below 2 goals a game and has averaged 2.5 goals or more in 5 of 9 seasons.

 

[Ratzondix]

Currently found myself with this. Feels a premium short but hard to fit another one in and keep some higher priced rookies. Plenty of time to play around and hopefully we get a few lower priced rookies come round 1. $28.5k ITB.

 

[Beijing_Sting]

Witherden in defence? I'm in at this stage - Would like to see his role etc though. Butters seems like he's milliseconds from an injury the way he goes at it - not sure I could stomach watching that every week - a bit like . Rowell, tempting... but with such a small sample size will see how he looks. Cripps might be one of my first picked too. Heeney - that was a horrific looking injury - might avoid for now

My question, who do I select out of Saad, Doch, and Williams now they are on the same team. Leaning toward only Williams at this stage.

Petracca? Think I will look at him as he is also awesome to watch.

I mean a lot of time to come... any of the players I currently have get injury clouds, they will be swapped out.

Rookies are all placeholders for now. Year of the Ox

 

[GrainFedBeef]

I reckon we’re a bit lucky this year that Grundy and Mitchell should be very good captaincy options, and they are both somewhat “cheap”. They were my first two picked.

At this stage I’m also likely to have guys like Danger and Cripps, who have some ceiling.

Mitchell had a solid end to the year with 120's, before he had a 90's and 70's in last 3 games. Grundy had a mixed finish and played differently in the finals. Whilst there should be upside to their value, not sure they are legit captain options.

Hawks horrible last year and Pies have lost Treloar, had both players picked for my team at this stage only on value. Danger getting old (will likely be in my team as a fwd though) and Cripps will have surgery and should be better, however, with all the attention does he get back to punching out +125 again.

I find best case is often pick two of the best from prior year and two more that genuinely have a case to be capt choice and hope 1 out of 4 delivers! The question is, when your VC fails, which player do you want to put the C on. Ceiling matters although if it is 1 out of 4 games, can you trust that player. You know this game better than me Darkie, I didn't start with Gawn and Neale last year and it was costly.

 

[BC]

Not interested in Dunkley or Danger to replace Sidebottom for approximately $25,000 either way?

Seems a very strange selection considering his scoring history, game style and starting price, along with his 2020 average being inflated.

Bit harsh on sidebottom for mine. Been pretty consistent for a long time now. He'll be a top 6 fwd this year and a valid starting selection.
Don't mind Danger with Cameron now up fwd.
Dusty doesn't get out of 2nd gear till half way through the season with a few hundred games sprinkled in here and there.
Dunkley im not sure on. Think I want to hear bevo say exactly what his plans are for him this year before I commit.

 

[Ratzondix]

Witherden in defence? I'm in at this stage - Would like to see his role etc though. Butters seems like he's milliseconds from an injury the way he goes at it - not sure I could stomach watching that every week - a bit like . Rowell, tempting... but with such a small sample size will see how he looks. Cripps might be one of my first picked too. Heeney - that was a horrific looking injury - might avoid for now

My question, who do I select out of Saad, Doch, and Williams now they are on the same team. Leaning toward only Williams at this stage.

Petracca? Think I will look at him as he is also awesome to watch.

I mean a lot of time to come... any of the players I currently have get injury clouds, they will be swapped out.

Rookies are all placeholders for now. Year of the Ox

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High risk, high reward team.

 

[Connoisseur]

Bit harsh on sidebottom for mine. Been pretty consistent for a long time now. He'll be a top 6 fwd this year and a valid starting selection.
Don't mind Danger with Cameron now up fwd.
Dusty doesn't get out of 2nd gear till half way through the season with a few hundred games sprinkled in here and there.
Dunkley im not sure on. Think I want to hear bevo say exactly what his plans are for him this year before I commit.

For $588,000?

Does not possess a high enough ceiling to maintain his starting price or to avoid a large breakeven and should quickly be available for the low $500,000 to high $400,000 range pre byes.

Since his 1st season of averaging 100+ (2012)
0-79: 32/172
0-99: 76/172
100+: 96/172
120+: 42/172
140+: 11/172

2020: 2/9 140+ or 22.22%
RD22 2015- RD22 2019: 2/87 140+ or 2.3%
RD5 2016- RD22 2019: 0/82 140+ or 0%

If he would have avoided the suspension for violating COVID protocols then it is highly likely that his average would have dipped to the low 100’s.

Also finished in the top 10 for uncontested possessions per game in 2018 (7th), 2019 (12th) and 2020 (8th).

 

[Vicwood]

Mitchell had a solid end to the year with 120's, before he had a 90's and 70's in last 3 games. Grundy had a mixed finish and played differently in the finals. Whilst there should be upside to their value, not sure they are legit captain options.

Hawks horrible last year and Pies have lost Treloar, had both players picked for my team at this stage only on value. Danger getting old (will likely be in my team as a fwd though) and Cripps will have surgery and should be better, however, with all the attention does he get back to punching out +125 again.

I find best case is often pick two of the best from prior year and two more that genuinely have a case to be capt choice and hope 1 out of 4 delivers! The question is, when your VC fails, which player do you want to put the C on. Ceiling matters although if it is 1 out of 4 games, can you trust that player. You know this game better than me Darkie, I didn't start with Gawn and Neale last year and it was costly.

On a different topic, how is Williams tracking as the back up to Nic Nat.?

 

[Vicwood]

Witherden in defence? I'm in at this stage - Would like to see his role etc though. Butters seems like he's milliseconds from an injury the way he goes at it - not sure I could stomach watching that every week - a bit like . Rowell, tempting... but with such a small sample size will see how he looks. Cripps might be one of my first picked too. Heeney - that was a horrific looking injury - might avoid for now

My question, who do I select out of Saad, Doch, and Williams now they are on the same team. Leaning toward only Williams at this stage.

Petracca? Think I will look at him as he is also awesome to watch.

I mean a lot of time to come... any of the players I currently have get injury clouds, they will be swapped out.

Rookies are all placeholders for now. Year of the Ox

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Brown Zieball Daniher....very risky.

 

[Beijing_Sting]

High risk, high reward team.

yep - you know it will change to be more guns and rookies as the season and form is displayed

 

[Beijing_Sting]

Brown Zieball Daniher....very risky.

depends on the rookies available, but I might just need to use 1 and use as an expensive rookie. Ziebell the most likely for me at this stage.