Discussion 2021: Strategy, Team & Player Discussions

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Mitchell had a solid end to the year with 120's, before he had a 90's and 70's in last 3 games. Grundy had a mixed finish and played differently in the finals. Whilst there should be upside to their value, not sure they are legit captain options.

Hawks horrible last year and Pies have lost Treloar, had both players picked for my team at this stage only on value. Danger getting old (will likely be in my team as a fwd though) and Cripps will have surgery and should be better, however, with all the attention does he get back to punching out +125 again.

I find best case is often pick two of the best from prior year and two more that genuinely have a case to be capt choice and hope 1 out of 4 delivers! The question is, when your VC fails, which player do you want to put the C on. Ceiling matters although if it is 1 out of 4 games, can you trust that player. You know this game better than me Darkie, I didn't start with Gawn and Neale last year and it was costly.
Your record is very good (I think at least as good as mine!), I respect your opinion.

I agree that Titch and Grundy potentially look a bit middling as VC/C options based on 2020, but I think both were somewhat unfit (Mitchell returning from an LTI, Grundy struggling hard to avoid a rest when he clearly needed one) and with quarters returning to normal length, I think there’s an argument to back mean reversion more than normal. As it turns out they both went 120+ (the number I usually use for C calcs - albeit not always the threshold I accept) half of their games last year (Grundy 8, Mitchell 9). Grundy had a better ceiling with 5x 140+ and Mitchell only 2.

I think if you expect them just to repeat their 2020 performance you probably don’t pick them, or they’re a bit lineball (at least they’re both durable). If they add 5+ to their averages, I would expect their ceiling to go up similarly, maybe more so, and then I think they’re good picks, and hopefully viable with the armband.

My view is that you want a high ceiling (eg ability to go a long way above 120 with some regularity) for VC, and a high average (eg an average of ideally 120+, possibly with low variability) as C. Mitchell is probably more in the latter category, with Grundy arguably in both. Fortunately I think Grundy typically plays before Titch.

Danger and Cripps aren’t ideal options but they both can go big when they are on (ie good for VC). Both are more up and down than I’d now like to rely on, to your point, so I’d ideally like to avoid using them as C unless they improve in 2021.

I’d love to start Neale and Gawn, but am just not sure I can stomach their prices given that they’re based off such an unusual year. Hopefully they don’t punish me too much for that decision!
 
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J Cameron:
2020:
Career low averages for Kicks, Goals, Marks Inside 50 and Score Involvements.

Avg of 4.8 Score Involvements in 2020 compared to 7.7 - 7.8 over the past 3 seasons.
6.8 Effective Disposals in 2020 which was his 1st time below 8 since 2015.
10.3 Disposals in 2020 after 3 consecutive seasons averaging 15+.
3.9 Marks in 2020 after 3 consecutive seasons averaging 6+.
1.4 goals in 2020. Only the 2nd time he has averaged below 2 goals a game and has averaged 2.5 goals or more in 5 of 9 seasons.
It's hard to believe how much the Cats gave up for him after the season he had.

He did win the Coleman the year before.

He had his contract status and media speculation hanging over his head. He probably wasn't playing with all his heart for the jumper.

The Giants had a poor season and they weren't giving it to him on a golden platter like most seasons recently.

New club, newfound love of the game and arguably the best delivery in the comp serving it up to him.

I love stats as much as the next Supercoach nuff, but sometimes there is more to it. He is my early call for the 2021 Coleman.
 
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It's hard to believe how much the Cats gave up for him after the season he had.

He did win the Coleman the year before.

He had his contract status and media speculation hanging over his head. He probably wasn't playing with all his heart for the jumper.

The Giants had a poor season and they weren't giving it to him on a golden platter like most seasons recently.

New club, newfound love of the game and arguably the best delivery in the comp serving it up to him.

I love stars as much as the next Supercoach nuff, but sometimes there is more to it. He is my early call for the 2021 Coleman.
Agree with all points. The above highlights his poor 2020 and the potential for a return to his usual output with the quarters returning to normal length allowing more time to accumulate more marks, disposals, goals, etc. Very likely to feature in my side or thereabouts and not deterred by my recent form with KPF (Lynch- 2020, Darling- 2019).
 
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Agree with all points. The above highlights his poor 2020 and the potential for a return to his usual output with the quarters returning to normal length allowing more time to accumulate more marks, disposals, goals, etc. Very likely to feature in my side or thereabouts and not deterred by my recent form with KPF (Lynch- 2020, Darling- 2019).
Some very interesting numbers you've highlighted in comparison to his past seasons. You've painted a good picture. He was in my team for the final few rounds of this year and he looked so far off the pace. The signs do point to a return to form though, and I think he will be fairly low ownership, especially among seasoned coaches. Great early draw, I am really warming to him as a pick. I won't be able to resist when I see him kick his first goal of the pre season.
 

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I think it’s worth remembering how good Rowell was in the games he did play:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/cou...s/news-story/81d64dfae0b152bc285a2ed0ac8bf760

Recent AFL Coaches’ Association votes back this up. Rowell has received 30 of a possible 30 votes for his performances against West Coast, Adelaide and Fremantle. Remarkably, it’s taken him just four games to record perfect 10s three times – the next quickest to achieve that was Tim Kelly at 31 games.

I note that Kelly debuted at 23, Rowell debuted at 18.

Rowell also polled one Brownlow vote less than Fyfe, Mitchell and Cripps, having played only 1/4 of the season.
 
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You won’t find many argue Rowells potential but as some others have pointed out his big scores came against Freo stuck in the hub, the worst football side to ever run out and an Eagles team that was struggling to beat their meat.

History says he won’t come out averaging 20 & 2 and there are some very attractive options at that price point without half the amount of risks he has.

He’s going to be a remarkable player it seems but there’s no reason to try and lever him into our sides this season I reckon. We’ll have decade of Rowell in our teams pretty soon.
 
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You won’t find many argue Rowells potential but as some others have pointed out his big scores came against Freo stuck in the hub, the worst football side to ever run out and an Eagles team that was struggling to beat their meat.

History says he won’t come out averaging 20 & 2 and there are some very attractive options at that price point without half the amount of risks he has.

He’s going to be a remarkable player it seems but there’s no reason to try and lever him into our sides this season I reckon. We’ll have decade of Rowell in our teams pretty soon.
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No value in the Cunnington selection. Only 1 full season in his career averaging 100+. Poor kick to handball ratio which undoes all his great work registering a high contested possession rate. Poor time on ground percentage with a career high of 78.5% in 2019 and it seems very unlikely for him to reach 80+ to ensure any fantasy relevance.

Keeping your current structure, an alternative could be T Stewart, C Oliver and B Grundy instead of J Lloyd, M Gawn and B Cunnington.
 
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Hello

It would be appreciated for any suggestion for my current version:
Balance: 38,400

  • Bolton over Dusty as he usually does not wake until later on in the year
  • Butters will be in his 3rd year in 2021
  • Unsure how Dunkley will fit in the midfield rotation

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Still Tinkering. Had Preuss at R2 but not seeing Gawn name makes me nervous.Massive Price but just needed, same applies for Neale.

If the rookies fall nicely could save a few dollars to upgrade Williams to Whitfield.

Yes no Rowell, risky move as I believe we will be the most owned player 2021.
But Hately and Hepple have more appeal at this time. Allows me to Get Gawn.
I'm not sure Rowell will be most owned. He'll be right up there though. Usually it's a rookie or premium ruck, I would be guessing Grundy will be most owned, maybe Phillips, depends how much he gets pushed in articles once it opens.
 
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Still Tinkering. Had Preuss at R2 but not seeing Gawn name makes me nervous.Massive Price but just needed, same applies for Neale.

If the rookies fall nicely could save a few dollars to upgrade Williams to Whitfield.

Yes no Rowell, risky move as I believe we will be the most owned player 2021.
But Hately and Hepple have more appeal at this time. Allows me to Get Gawn.
There are some very interesting questions:
  • Where will Dunkley play / affect of Treloar on the rest of their midfield
  • Will Adelaide be conservative with Hately (how often will they rest him)
  • Will Heppell regain his elite status @ $319,100 very nicely priced
  • Will Zac Williams be the panacea that Cripps needs in the midfield
 
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There are some very interesting questions:
  • Where will Dunkley play / affect of Treloar on the rest of their midfield
  • Will Adelaide be conservative with Hately (how often will they rest him)
  • Will Heppell regain his elite status @ $319,100 very nicely priced
  • Will Zac Williams be the panacea that Cripps needs in the midfield
Will not start any Dogs Midfeild players this year. It’s the best in the Comp. How do you juggle, a huge task for Mr Magnets. Macrae is penciled in as first upgrade. Danger
There are some very interesting questions:
  • Where will Dunkley play / affect of Treloar on the rest of their midfield
  • Will Adelaide be conservative with Hately (how often will they rest him)
  • Will Heppell regain his elite status @ $319,100 very nicely priced
  • Will Zac Williams be the panacea that Cripps needs in the midfield
Dogs have a plethora of options in the midfield. How will Mr Magnets manage this. Dunkley would look great in a Magpie Jumper in 2022.

Hately has been shackled at GWS and is more than ready.

Hepple, if fit and part of the midfield rotation lock him in. Cannot see him being used in the Saad Role.?

Has williams been brought to the Blues for a midfield role ? Looking at the blues back line options I would say yes. Pre Season Watch.
 
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Any Eagles supporters whom can update on Bailey Williams F/R and Hutchings M/F

Will Bailey be working as relief for Nic Nat with time spent forward. ?

And is Hutchings "Fit" and guarenteed a starting role in the team. Every team needs a no nonsense tagger.
 
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