Opinion SC 2021: Rate My Team

[Presto]

Defense: pretty happy with this.
I am not brave enough not to take Jake Lloyd (16 centuries in a row last year)
Rory is just Rory, I have started him for the last 4 years and he never disappointed me.
Stewart finished the year with 7 centuries at111.1
Grainger-Barras was taken by Hawthorn for his interceptions and I would be surprised if he does not debut round 1.
Jones will make his debut hopefully in round 1.
Will Gould: in my team last year without playing a game, but I am stubborn and kept him.
Jacob Wehr and Tom Highmore: I have a soft spot for mature-age players.

Midfield: major doubt with Crouch, Mitchell would be more reliable
Lachie Neale: captain choice and a favorite of mine
Clayton Oliver: It is him or Petracca or Steele. Plenty of time to change my mind.
Matt Crouch: Last year was his best year ever, scoring 11/16 centuries with 162 top.
Patrick Cripps: looked hurt last year, hopefully he has now recovered.
Matt Rowell: last year's sensation.
Will Phillips: The Roos gave him Brent Harvey’s number 29, which shows how much they think of him.
Tom Powell: “ball magnet”, “leather poisoning” seems the only way to describe him.
Nakia Cockatoo: Risky, but could be a great pick.
Gulden, Downie, and Davies: Who knows?

Rucks
Set and forget for me.
Max Gawn: the most expensive starting price ever. Most people think he might drop in price but has an easy run to start, with games against Fremantle, St Kilda, Essendon, Geelong, Hawthorn, and Richmond. If he drops in price it will not be by much.
Brodie Grundy: by his standards, he had a bad year, but still averaged 120.7 points well ahead of anybody else.
Josh Treacy: RUC/FWD loophole. Will be hoping he will not break my heart by playing.

Forwards
Dunkley: I was picking him up as a mid, so being a forward is a bonus.
Rowan Marshall: Everybody and their dog have him.
Isaac Heeney: maybe this is his year.
Jarman Impey: expect him to average 75 to 85, making him a good cash cow.
Finlay Macrae: One of the HS articles believes he will be better than his half-brother. (Jack in his first year averaged 61.4)
Corey Durdin: small forward that Carlton needed.
James Rowe: did I tell you about my soft spot for mature age rookies?
Isaac Chugg: My mother (94-year-old) likes his name: in selecting a rookie this is just as valid a reason as any.

 

[wogitalia]

I also expect Preuss value to rise and generate some cash

I appreciate the answers/questions regarding my team.

Preuss works well as a cash cow at 95, even better if he can spike a 110+ month, both things I think he is very capable of doing. The really tough starting fixture is the concern as ideally you'd want him to be one of the first rookies you cash (even more so at r3) so you can access that 200k you're essentially holding in the Bank of Preuss and get on the breakaway premium choice you're missing.

There is definitely an argument you're getting a better return on capital from Preuss at r3 for the 200k then you would get investing it in a premium or worse performing alternative. You're basically hoping to spend 200k extra now to make 200k from a position that I think about 95% of players are going to get nothing from.

Most premiums are actually poor use of starting capital and we only pick them because of the finite trades and time to trade and basically just hope they defend their starting value.

 

[Darkie]

The problem I have with the 'Marshall Plan' being used is what happen if Grundy/Gawn are late outs and St Kilda have already played?

This is a fair point, although the cost of the “insurance” may be too high relative to the risk.

A Preuss backup for one late out is probably worth 90-100 points, if it happens. I reckon it would happen less than once a season for Grundy+Gawn, and it has to happen while you still own Preuss to add value for you (hopefully you trade him by mid year).

You may be forgoing 30+ points a week to protect against a 50-50 chance of losing 100 points.

The ruck line is also a handy spot for the captain’s loop.

Historically I guarded really heavily against donuts, so I can identify with your thinking.

More recently I’ve realized that they’re not the worst thing in the world. A highly ranked team will score something like 50,000 points across the season, so even a premium donut is only about 0.2% of that!

It’s kind of liberating, and allows you to use both your starting spots and your trades for something that can add more value/points to your side.

 

[Herbie66]

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Defense: pretty happy with this.
I am not brave enough not to take Jake Lloyd (16 centuries in a row last year)
Rory is just Rory, I have started him for the last 4 years and he never disappointed me.
Stewart finished the year with 7 centuries at111.1
Grainger-Barras was taken by Hawthorn for his interceptions and I would be surprised if he does not debut round 1.
Jones will make his debut hopefully in round 1.
Will Gould: in my team last year without playing a game, but I am stubborn and kept him.
Jacob Wehr and Tom Highmore: I have a soft spot for mature-age players.

Midfield: major doubt with Crouch, Mitchell would be more reliable
Lachie Neale: captain choice and a favorite of mine
Clayton Oliver: It is him or Petracca or Steele. Plenty of time to change my mind.
Matt Crouch: Last year was his best year ever, scoring 11/16 centuries with 162 top.
Patrick Cripps: looked hurt last year, hopefully he has now recovered.
Matt Rowell: last year's sensation.
Will Phillips: The Roos gave him Brent Harvey’s number 29, which shows how much they think of him.
Tom Powell: “ball magnet”, “leather poisoning” seems the only way to describe him.
Nakia Cockatoo: Risky, but could be a great pick.
Gulden, Downie, and Davies: Who knows?

Rucks
Set and forget for me.
Max Gawn: the most expensive starting price ever. Most people think he might drop in price but has an easy run to start, with games against Fremantle, St Kilda, Essendon, Geelong, Hawthorn, and Richmond. If he drops in price it will not be by much.
Brodie Grundy: by his standards, he had a bad year, but still averaged 120.7 points well ahead of anybody else.
Josh Treacy: RUC/FWD loophole. Will be hoping he will not break my heart by playing.

Forwards
Dunkley: I was picking him up as a mid, so being a forward is a bonus.
Rowan Marshall: Everybody and their dog have him.
Isaac Heeney: maybe this is his year.
Jarman Impey: expect him to average 75 to 85, making him a good cash cow.
Finlay Macrae: One of the HS articles believes he will be better than his half-brother. (Jack in his first year averaged 61.4)
Corey Durdin: small forward that Carlton needed.
James Rowe: did I tell you about my soft spot for mature age rookies?
Isaac Chugg: My mother (94-year-old) likes his name: in selecting a rookie this is just as valid a reason as any.

Given that you got your mum involved as well , that is one awesome looking team.

Love that you have gone to lengths to explain/justify every selection as well.

But

Is Zac Attack supposed to be Stewart ?

No Daniher or Ziebell.

If the rookies are selected , no need to change anything at all.

 

[wogitalia]

This is a fair point, although the cost of the “insurance” may be too high relative to the risk.

A Preuss backup for one late out is probably worth 90-100 points, if it happens. I reckon it would happen less than once a season for Grundy+Gawn, and it has to happen while you still own Preuss to add value for you (hopefully you trade him by mid year).

You may be forgoing 30+ points a week to protect against a 50-50 chance of losing 100 points.

The ruck line is also a handy spot for the captain’s loop.

Historically I guarded really heavily against donuts, so I can identify with your thinking.

More recently I’ve realized that they’re not the worst thing in the world. A highly ranked team will score something like 50,000 points across the season, so even a premium donut is only about 0.2% of that!

It’s kind of liberating, and allows you to use both your starting spots and your trades for something that can add more value/points to your side.

It's probably not even that much benefit. It takes the super unique scenario that Gawn/Grundy is a late out to a game happening after Marshall has locked. Marshall plays after both, after/same, 1/1, before both, before both and after both for the first 6. So basically has to be rounds 4 and 5 and maybe 7/8. After that Preuss really needs to be out of the side anyway. Of course requires a late out as well so rarer than a proper injury.

Otherwise the gain is just Preuss against whatever rookie you field instead (depending on DPP could be anyone or may be forced to a position).

 

[PC]

As it stands -

D: Laird, Stewart, Williams, Duggan, Wehr, Laurie, (Gould, Highmore)
M: Oliver, Jelly, Dunks, Cripps, Taranto, Hately, Phillips, Rosman, (Downie, Gulden, Davies)
R: Gawn, Grundy, (Treacy)
F: Marshall, Dusty, Zieball, Daniher, Impey, Campbell, (Cockatoo, Rowe)

I need to stop reading SCS, convinces me to change my team too much... Duggan replaced Young as the latest buzzword. Dimma flipped my mind on Jelly and the lack of news on Neale is concerning. The fwd line is heavy in coin but I really don't know where the rookies are going to come from - any of F3-F6 can be downgraded easily.

Have at it if you want, no stress if you don't.

 

[Presto]

Given that you got your mum involved as well , that is one awesome looking team.

Love that you have gone to lengths to explain/justify every selection as well.

But

Is Zac Attack supposed to be Stewart ?

No Daniher or Ziebell.

If the rookies are selected , no need to change anything at all.

You are right I changed Williams to Stewart but forgot to change the graphic.
No Daniher because I never select full forwards.
Ziebell was in the team, but I sacrificed him to go from Williams to Steward.

 

[Darkie]

As it stands -

D: Laird, Stewart, Williams, Duggan, Wehr, Laurie, (Gould, Highmore)
M: Oliver, Jelly, Dunks, Cripps, Taranto, Hately, Phillips, Rosman, (Downie, Gulden, Davies)
R: Gawn, Grundy, (Treacy)
F: Marshall, Dusty, Zieball, Daniher, Impey, Campbell, (Cockatoo, Rowe)

I need to stop reading SCS, convinces me to change my team too much... Duggan replaced Young as the latest buzzword. Dimma flipped my mind on Jelly and the lack of news on Neale is concerning. The fwd line is heavy in coin but I really don't know where the rookies are going to come from - any of F3-F6 can be downgraded easily.

Have at it if you want, no stress if you don't.

Neale with no news probably still plays more games than Jelly 😋

Personally I think @freowho made the best point about Duggan - he’s unlikely to really hurt you, and you can wait and see on him. Someone like Doc has more upside and possibly less downside too, if you can swing it.

Otherwise looks great to me, lots of similar names in my team.

 

[Herbie66]

You are right I changed Williams to Stewart but forgot to change the graphic.
No Daniher because I never select full forwards.
Ziebell was in the team, but I sacrificed him to go from Williams to Steward.

Like it a lot.

 

[Leroy]

As it stands -

D: Laird, Stewart, Williams, Duggan, Wehr, Laurie, (Gould, Highmore)
M: Oliver, Jelly, Dunks, Cripps, Taranto, Hately, Phillips, Rosman, (Downie, Gulden, Davies)
R: Gawn, Grundy, (Treacy)
F: Marshall, Dusty, Zieball, Daniher, Impey, Campbell, (Cockatoo, Rowe)

I need to stop reading SCS, convinces me to change my team too much... Duggan replaced Young as the latest buzzword. Dimma flipped my mind on Jelly and the lack of news on Neale is concerning. The fwd line is heavy in coin but I really don't know where the rookies are going to come from - any of F3-F6 can be downgraded easily.

Have at it if you want, no stress if you don't.

I like it. Similar structure to my latest iteration, which seems to be how things are moving here.

Be interested to know the factors behind the Hately pick? Feels like you're asking a lot of a player who has only played only 13 games. He may be a gun in the making... but his start to the AFL was certainly not Matthew Rowell like either.

TT and Hately vs Super Mid and rookie is the x v y looking at the team.

 

[PC]

I like it. Similar structure to my latest iteration, which seems to be how things are moving here.

Be interested to know the factors behind the Hately pick? Feels like you're asking a lot of a player who has only played only 13 games. He may be a gun in the making... but his start to the AFL was certainly not Matthew Rowell like either.

TT and Hately vs Super Mid and rookie is the x v y looking at the team.

Yeah cheers.

Hately is partly because the coin has to go somewhere and because it doesn't feel like we will have many mid rookies. I have also struggled with the mid prems. Adelaide have some holes so should play the youth, including Hately. Also he has played 3x the games of other extremely popular mid picks.

 

[Cricket98]

With Melbourne back into lockdown, finally had some time to adjust my team after a few busy weeks.




-11 guys from the Top 100 of last year, which I really like the balance of
-Genuine value in all premiums apart from the 2-3 captaincy options.
-Number of premium POD selections (Doch 6.6%, Duggan 3.2, Kelly 6.7, Gaff 3.2, Clug 2.0).
-Share the same thoughts as Dimmawit on TT.

 

[Leroy]

Here we go, another iteration:



Defence and forwards are light, assuming some rookies show up. Seems to be a structure that works ok though.
M3 and M4 are a revolving door: McCluggage, Brayshaw, Walsh, Dusty or Laird (and picking a DEF premo instead) are all still options - it's the least settled place in the team.

Not 100% sold on Neale at that price, but it looks good to have him in there from R1. If there's a pricey must have rookie that comes up beyond what I've banked on I would look at cutting for Steele (probably).

Thoughts?

 

[Herbie66]

Just saw a interesting side by Tim Mitchell , everyone under $ 500k , no rookies onfield

D: Williams , Duggan , Scrimshaw , Harmes , Milera ,Young (Fre)

M: Simpkin , Rowell , Smith (WB) , Cerra , Worpel , Sloane , Taranto , Daicos

R: Draper , Preuss

F: Bolton , Heeney , Martin (Car) , Rozee , Daniher , Impey

No obvious VC/C

I wonder how long it could be competitive for ?

80 points per player would be 1760 + C

Would they ALL make enough $$$ to then be sideways traded to fallen premiums ?

Round 8 start sideways trading

 

[mpollock]

Here is my 'White Wings' Vanilla style Team.

I keep changing it but always come back to this set-up.

Would appreciate any critique as I have been looking at it far too long to notice any glaring issues.

Thank you for taking time to reply/review.

Balance: 22,000
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Mids are to weak for me ..
Also Daniher is a terrible pick. Will average 50. Prefer taking a punt on Dow stepping up (was good in match simulation the other day and has put on size). Or Impey who averaged 89 in 5 games when playing back. He has been training back again this pre season.

 

[mpollock]

Here we go, another iteration:

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Defence and forwards are light, assuming some rookies show up. Seems to be a structure that works ok though.
M3 and M4 are a revolving door: McCluggage, Brayshaw, Walsh, Dusty or Laird (and picking a DEF premo instead) are all still options - it's the least settled place in the team.

Not 100% sold on Neale at that price, but it looks good to have him in there from R1. If there's a pricey must have rookie that comes up beyond what I've banked on I would look at cutting for Steele (probably).

Thoughts?

Lloyd just a must have I think ...

 

[Ironhawk]

Just saw a interesting side by Tim Mitchell , everyone under $ 500k , no rookies onfield

D: Williams , Duggan , Scrimshaw , Harmes , Milera ,Young (Fre)

M: Simpkin , Rowell , Smith (WB) , Cerra , Worpel , Sloane , Taranto , Daicos

R: Draper , Preuss

F: Bolton , Heeney , Martin (Car) , Rozee , Daniher , Impey

No obvious VC/C

I wonder how long it could be competitive for ?

80 points per player would be 1760 + C

Would they ALL make enough $$$ to then be sideways traded to fallen premiums ?

Round 8 start sideways trading

It's similar to one of the sides I was putting together, except mine had a couple of more expensive selections as keepers/captains. That team should make a bit of cash, and could stay competitive early with no rookies IF everyone performs, but you pretty much need to nail every selection to be able to get to a full premium side.

 

[Herbie66]

Surely Round 1 teams are announced soon 🤔

What's the delay ? just start the season now.

Tired of looking at all the rookies and wondering who may or may not play.

Think I have got to 13 keepers + ZDI.

Phillips , Campbell & DGB and possibly $ 50-200k spare depending on my other 3 other onfield rookies

Hurry up and start

 

[Herbie66]

It's similar to one of the sides I was putting together, except mine had a couple of more expensive selections as keepers/captains. That team should make a bit of cash, and could stay competitive early with no rookies IF everyone performs, but you pretty much need to nail every selection to be able to get to a full premium side.

Be interesting trying to balance out the right mix.

If you dropped say 6 of them to rookies , then say changed Draper & Preuss to Gawn & Grundy for VC/C options.

That would then give you 2-14-6.

If enough of those 14 got to 85-90 points.

6 bench downs for 6 onfield ups.

Maybe you need say Lloyd - Laird , Dusty , Cripps - Gawn & Grundy - Marshall

7 solid premiums to start
8 midpricers hopefully 85-90
7 rookies


For some reason I like 11-4-7.


probably getting full premium too late though.

 

[Leroy]

Lloyd just a must have I think ...

I'm struggling to fit Gawn, Grundy, Neale, Oliver and Lloyd into a side. I think I can only carry 4 $650k+ players without compromising elsewhere and I put Lloyd below all those other 4.