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Err Short is actually 4 inches taller and 4 kgs heavier than Daniel, just in case you missed it.
Having said that Daniel is nuggety and developed as a junior as an inside mid (absolutely dominated in the U18 Carnival and held his own in a handful of games in the SANFL seniors iirc) and has all the physical and footballing tools to be able to work through a defensive forward "tag" if teams start trying to set one up.
Having said that Daniel is nuggety and developed as a junior as an inside mid (absolutely dominated in the U18 Carnival and held his own in a handful of games in the SANFL seniors iirc) and has all the physical and footballing tools to be able to work through a defensive forward "tag" if teams start trying to set one up.
Still worth selecting Zac Williams?
Yes: One lost game to a bench rookie might lose you 50 points in R1, but you'll have the advantage of a solid selection that pretty much no-one else will be able to get for a while (and even when they're ready for their first upgrades, he could have potentially increased significantly in price).
If it were another 'regular' player, probably not, but you're picking him because he's great value ... he's technically still great value even with 1 missed game.
Or am I deluding myself?
Yes: One lost game to a bench rookie might lose you 50 points in R1, but you'll have the advantage of a solid selection that pretty much no-one else will be able to get for a while (and even when they're ready for their first upgrades, he could have potentially increased significantly in price).
If it were another 'regular' player, probably not, but you're picking him because he's great value ... he's technically still great value even with 1 missed game.
Or am I deluding myself?
Why does it have to be a defence rookie though ?
If a midfield bench rookie (eg Brockman , Downie , Gulden) look like scoring more just use Laird's DPP to advantage.
Fantasia also could be a option with his DPP.
Briggs , Highmore , Koschitzke , Murray could all be defender bench options in any case.
If a midfield bench rookie (eg Brockman , Downie , Gulden) look like scoring more just use Laird's DPP to advantage.
Fantasia also could be a option with his DPP.
Briggs , Highmore , Koschitzke , Murray could all be defender bench options in any case.
Daniel will get tagged, did last year, but they just pushed him into the midfield when it happened and he got right back on the horse. Can't stop his kick-ins either and think the new rules are going to make it super hard to stop the old around the back play as can handball and then block and the man on the mark is stuck being slow to react.
Definitely a concern but think it applies to almost all the top backs.
You're definitely seeing something different in that group to me if you want any of them on the field
Butts I like the look of but when Doedee plays he'll be a lock down defender, reckon you can get much better value from other choices.
Cox I like a lot but he just put up 32 in a full game so there's legitimate cause for concern on his scoring.
Jones I doubt plays round one, would actually be somewhat surprised given their options down back.
Briggs would be great if he plays, still think he's behind Flynn and unlikely to play more than a game or two because of it, of course playing round one gives you the chance to demand the spot.
Kosi is a bench rookie, don't be fooled by a big bag against probably the worst team in the league playing without it's first choice midfield in the preseason!
Highmore will be solid if he plays, would be happy there but his JS will not be solid unless he's amazing when he plays.
Sharp is unlikely I'd think given he's got high school to attend to and the priority clubs put on that, I may be wrong but Hanners is the last player I can recall playing while in HS.
Murray is going to be a lock down key defender fighting to be in the side round one and then holding off Talia as soon as he's available. In play but I don't think you'd want on field and he's the kind of guy who could be done by round 4.
I will say, the group looks a lot better than this time last week but that's still an awfully thin group! I wouldn't be surprised if Ziebell outscored the entire group in round one for comparison
I mean the idea sounds good but it would mean starting Laird in the midfield and having a DPP rookie to switch him with down back. The rookie looks like a one and only option in Sharp and Laird in the midfield just doesn't make sense to me given it means pushing out one of the stronger mid/fwd rookies to take a defender rookie instead which kind of defies the point of then using one of those mid/fwd rookies to start over the defender you prioritised
Definitely a concern but think it applies to almost all the top backs.
You're definitely seeing something different in that group to me if you want any of them on the field
Butts I like the look of but when Doedee plays he'll be a lock down defender, reckon you can get much better value from other choices.
Cox I like a lot but he just put up 32 in a full game so there's legitimate cause for concern on his scoring.
Jones I doubt plays round one, would actually be somewhat surprised given their options down back.
Briggs would be great if he plays, still think he's behind Flynn and unlikely to play more than a game or two because of it, of course playing round one gives you the chance to demand the spot.
Kosi is a bench rookie, don't be fooled by a big bag against probably the worst team in the league playing without it's first choice midfield in the preseason!
Highmore will be solid if he plays, would be happy there but his JS will not be solid unless he's amazing when he plays.
Sharp is unlikely I'd think given he's got high school to attend to and the priority clubs put on that, I may be wrong but Hanners is the last player I can recall playing while in HS.
Murray is going to be a lock down key defender fighting to be in the side round one and then holding off Talia as soon as he's available. In play but I don't think you'd want on field and he's the kind of guy who could be done by round 4.
I will say, the group looks a lot better than this time last week but that's still an awfully thin group! I wouldn't be surprised if Ziebell outscored the entire group in round one for comparison
I mean the idea sounds good but it would mean starting Laird in the midfield and having a DPP rookie to switch him with down back. The rookie looks like a one and only option in Sharp and Laird in the midfield just doesn't make sense to me given it means pushing out one of the stronger mid/fwd rookies to take a defender rookie instead which kind of defies the point of then using one of those mid/fwd rookies to start over the defender you prioritised
Daniel will get tagged, did last year, but they just pushed him into the midfield when it happened and he got right back on the horse. Can't stop his kick-ins either and think the new rules are going to make it super hard to stop the old around the back play as can handball and then block and the man on the mark is stuck being slow to react.
Definitely a concern but think it applies to almost all the top backs.
You're definitely seeing something different in that group to me if you want any of them on the field
Butts I like the look of but when Doedee plays he'll be a lock down defender, reckon you can get much better value from other choices.
Cox I like a lot but he just put up 32 in a full game so there's legitimate cause for concern on his scoring.
Jones I doubt plays round one, would actually be somewhat surprised given their options down back.
Briggs would be great if he plays, still think he's behind Flynn and unlikely to play more than a game or two because of it, of course playing round one gives you the chance to demand the spot.
Kosi is a bench rookie, don't be fooled by a big bag against probably the worst team in the league playing without it's first choice midfield in the preseason!
Highmore will be solid if he plays, would be happy there but his JS will not be solid unless he's amazing when he plays.
Sharp is unlikely I'd think given he's got high school to attend to and the priority clubs put on that, I may be wrong but Hanners is the last player I can recall playing while in HS.
Murray is going to be a lock down key defender fighting to be in the side round one and then holding off Talia as soon as he's available. In play but I don't think you'd want on field and he's the kind of guy who could be done by round 4.
I will say, the group looks a lot better than this time last week but that's still an awfully thin group! I wouldn't be surprised if Ziebell outscored the entire group in round one for comparison
I mean the idea sounds good but it would mean starting Laird in the midfield and having a DPP rookie to switch him with down back. The rookie looks like a one and only option in Sharp and Laird in the midfield just doesn't make sense to me given it means pushing out one of the stronger mid/fwd rookies to take a defender rookie instead which kind of defies the point of then using one of those mid/fwd rookies to start over the defender you prioritised
Definitely a concern but think it applies to almost all the top backs.
You're definitely seeing something different in that group to me if you want any of them on the field
Butts I like the look of but when Doedee plays he'll be a lock down defender, reckon you can get much better value from other choices.
Cox I like a lot but he just put up 32 in a full game so there's legitimate cause for concern on his scoring.
Jones I doubt plays round one, would actually be somewhat surprised given their options down back.
Briggs would be great if he plays, still think he's behind Flynn and unlikely to play more than a game or two because of it, of course playing round one gives you the chance to demand the spot.
Kosi is a bench rookie, don't be fooled by a big bag against probably the worst team in the league playing without it's first choice midfield in the preseason!
Highmore will be solid if he plays, would be happy there but his JS will not be solid unless he's amazing when he plays.
Sharp is unlikely I'd think given he's got high school to attend to and the priority clubs put on that, I may be wrong but Hanners is the last player I can recall playing while in HS.
Murray is going to be a lock down key defender fighting to be in the side round one and then holding off Talia as soon as he's available. In play but I don't think you'd want on field and he's the kind of guy who could be done by round 4.
I will say, the group looks a lot better than this time last week but that's still an awfully thin group! I wouldn't be surprised if Ziebell outscored the entire group in round one for comparison
I mean the idea sounds good but it would mean starting Laird in the midfield and having a DPP rookie to switch him with down back. The rookie looks like a one and only option in Sharp and Laird in the midfield just doesn't make sense to me given it means pushing out one of the stronger mid/fwd rookies to take a defender rookie instead which kind of defies the point of then using one of those mid/fwd rookies to start over the defender you prioritised
Laird can start mid for Round 1 , swing with Fyfe (many are looking at him as a VC/C option)
M9 effectively covers Williams
Start Briggs D7 , swing with Fantasia
effectively F7 covers Williams
start Williams when many now won't , could turn into a advantage over Round 2 onwards
You're definitely seeing something different in that group to me if you want any of them on the field
Butts I like the look of but when Doedee plays he'll be a lock down defender, reckon you can get much better value from other choices.
Cox I like a lot but he just put up 32 in a full game so there's legitimate cause for concern on his scoring.
Jones I doubt plays round one, would actually be somewhat surprised given their options down back.
Briggs would be great if he plays, still think he's behind Flynn and unlikely to play more than a game or two because of it, of course playing round one gives you the chance to demand the spot.
Kosi is a bench rookie, don't be fooled by a big bag against probably the worst team in the league playing without it's first choice midfield in the preseason!
Highmore will be solid if he plays, would be happy there but his JS will not be solid unless he's amazing when he plays.
Sharp is unlikely I'd think given he's got high school to attend to and the priority clubs put on that, I may be wrong but Hanners is the last player I can recall playing while in HS.
Murray is going to be a lock down key defender fighting to be in the side round one and then holding off Talia as soon as he's available. In play but I don't think you'd want on field and he's the kind of guy who could be done by round 4.
I will say, the group looks a lot better than this time last week but that's still an awfully thin group! I wouldn't be surprised if Ziebell outscored the entire group in round one for comparison
Butts I like the look of but when Doedee plays he'll be a lock down defender, reckon you can get much better value from other choices.
Cox I like a lot but he just put up 32 in a full game so there's legitimate cause for concern on his scoring.
Jones I doubt plays round one, would actually be somewhat surprised given their options down back.
Briggs would be great if he plays, still think he's behind Flynn and unlikely to play more than a game or two because of it, of course playing round one gives you the chance to demand the spot.
Kosi is a bench rookie, don't be fooled by a big bag against probably the worst team in the league playing without it's first choice midfield in the preseason!
Highmore will be solid if he plays, would be happy there but his JS will not be solid unless he's amazing when he plays.
Sharp is unlikely I'd think given he's got high school to attend to and the priority clubs put on that, I may be wrong but Hanners is the last player I can recall playing while in HS.
Murray is going to be a lock down key defender fighting to be in the side round one and then holding off Talia as soon as he's available. In play but I don't think you'd want on field and he's the kind of guy who could be done by round 4.
I will say, the group looks a lot better than this time last week but that's still an awfully thin group! I wouldn't be surprised if Ziebell outscored the entire group in round one for comparison
After a bit of thought I'm less keen on most of the 200k-ish defenders than I was on the weekend. Clark probably only needs one game closer to his shocking form from last season for Scott to change his role or drop him, Jiath faces the same problem with a similarly impatient coach. Then the others with better JS like Cumming and the Young bros will more than likely struggle to make the cash required. Hmmm.
I'd say no because he's a big injury risk and you're already locking in one missed game from the start.
You're probably right about the floating role, Daniel continues to rack up possessions when he's released from the back half. If Bevo didn't question his role after it played a big part in losing them that final against St Kilda he won't change anything now.
I'd say no because he's a big injury risk and you're already locking in one missed game from the start.
You're probably right about the floating role, Daniel continues to rack up possessions when he's released from the back half. If Bevo didn't question his role after it played a big part in losing them that final against St Kilda he won't change anything now.
Picking Williams is a flawed choice, unless you think he's an exceptional starting pick, like a 110+ guy. Compounding that with more flawed to outright bad choices doesn't make that a better move...
Starting Laird in the mids is essentially saying the defender rookies are better than the mid rookies, which makes then switching them to cover with a mid instead of the defender you picked over the mids kind of illogical. Realistically the only reason to start a DEF/FWD in the mids is if the rookies in the DEF/FWD are better and you want them on field and in your team over the mid rookies.
Picking Fantasia to cover for Williams is a train wreck. Picking a midpricer that is a durability disaster, with no premium scoring history that is playing forward pocket so you can pick a premium to not play a game just hurts me!
Don't change your structure and push out better picks so you can take Williams. You're either happy with your back cover and willing to ride out the week because you think he's that good a starting pick or you're not and you don't.
Maybe the back rookies will surprise and all of them will be picked and look safe in the side but I strongly doubt it.
Starting Laird in the mids is essentially saying the defender rookies are better than the mid rookies, which makes then switching them to cover with a mid instead of the defender you picked over the mids kind of illogical. Realistically the only reason to start a DEF/FWD in the mids is if the rookies in the DEF/FWD are better and you want them on field and in your team over the mid rookies.
Picking Fantasia to cover for Williams is a train wreck. Picking a midpricer that is a durability disaster, with no premium scoring history that is playing forward pocket so you can pick a premium to not play a game just hurts me!
Don't change your structure and push out better picks so you can take Williams. You're either happy with your back cover and willing to ride out the week because you think he's that good a starting pick or you're not and you don't.
Maybe the back rookies will surprise and all of them will be picked and look safe in the side but I strongly doubt it.