Discussion SC 2021: Rookie Discussion

[N29]

McNeil will be confined to a deep forward pocket role, with talented players in the emergencies waiting for there chance. Prime candidate to become deadwood for mine, he would really have to impress to keep his spot in that side. Basement price yes but not sure I'm not sure I'm that keen on him to be honest.

 

[McLovin]

McNeil for me. Cheaper and 20 years old. Played every senior game for the Eagles in the SANFL, including their GF win. "Averaged 18 disposals and four tackles. A tough on-baller with clean hands and good speed." It seems like Bevo is going to play midfielders in every position

Did a small forward steal Bevo's gf at some point in the distant past? I don't think there's been a coach in the modern era more determined not to pick specialist small forwards.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

McNeil will be confined to a deep forward pocket role, with talented players in the emergencies waiting for there chance. Prime candidate to become deadwood for mine, he would really have to impress to keep his spot in that side. Basement price yes but not sure I'm not sure I'm that keen on him to be honest.

My question is, why are these talented players in the emergencies and not in the best 22 to start the season ? A side as strong as the Dogs who should be challenging more this season, no reason why they’d pick the mature aged drafted just for the sake of it. The more I think about it, I think they must have a reasonably set role for him to fill in their side. And if he plays the role to what the coaching staff want, it’s his to keep ?

Like surely there’s no point playing him for one or two games then flicking him for West, if West was ahead of him in the pecking order he should be playing tonight. And you can say look at Cavarra, but there was a 3-4 month layoff between games in that case.

 

[Zimmer]

Did a small forward steal Bevo's gf at some point in the distant past? I don't think there's been a coach in the modern era more determined not to pick specialist small forwards.

Or specialist forwards, full stop.

 

[pizza safety]

I have them in that order.

GG's Hawks mail is always good so clear that Downie has terrible JS with him being the sub this week.

Berry and Brockman don't appear to have great JS either but I like Berry's scoring potential better than Brockman.

Just to confirm 1) Berry 2) Brockman 3) Downie ? Cheers

 

[aj74]

Wingard could rob Brockman of his spot when he comes back.

How are people ranking Berry, Brockman and Downie? Matt crouch's return seems like it will happen randomly, doesn't sound like it will be soon though. Hately any chance of taking his spot? Berry looks the best pick but that 13 from 44% game time, where he attended 5 CBA's doesn't look too good. Still he seems like the best of the 3 doesn't he?

Those Berry stats suggest that he doesn't play Matt Couch's role and that it is some other player returning that we should be concerned with

 

[Ratzondix]

My question is, why are these talented players in the emergencies and not in the best 22 to start the season ? A side as strong as the Dogs who should be challenging more this season, no reason why they’d pick the mature aged drafted just for the sake of it. The more I think about it, I think they must have a reasonably set role for him to fill in their side. And if he plays the role to what the coaching staff want, it’s his to keep ?

Like surely there’s no point playing him for one or two games then flicking him for West, if West was ahead of him in the pecking order he should be playing tonight. And you can say look at Cavarra, but there was a 3-4 month layoff between games in that case.

Cavarra broke his hand as well.

 

[N29]

My question is, why are these talented players in the emergencies and not in the best 22 to start the season ? A side as strong as the Dogs who should be challenging more this season, no reason why they’d pick the mature aged drafted just for the sake of it. The more I think about it, I think they must have a reasonably set role for him to fill in their side. And if he plays the role to what the coaching staff want, it’s his to keep ?

Like surely there’s no point playing him for one or two games then flicking him for West, if West was ahead of him in the pecking order he should be playing tonight. And you can say look at Cavarra, but there was a 3-4 month layoff between games in that case.

Yeah look I don't have the answer, hard to know what is going through Bevo's mind. Could be teaching a few guys a lesson for all we know.

At the end of the day he's playing a role that's hard to score in, with poor job security - IMO anyway, I don't see the upside. Say for example they lose tonight in a poor showing, his name is probably on the chopping block already.

But hey I could be wrong, rookies are a lottery sometimes!

 

[aj74]

With lots of early mail that Sharp is playing, what are people thinking re Fyfe who was my capt loophole?
Grundy is my VC, if he goes massive tonight (150+) it presents a dilemma for me on do I take Sharp or Fyfe so I can use the loophole.
In a funny way, hope Grundy just scores a solid 110 & I can go Gawn as capt, problem solved lol & take Sharp who does look very good.

Deliberately choosing an FD is an important structural choice. I tend to disagree with it but if you like it, then it's all good.

Now, would you change your structure for the sake of points in 1 round? How important is the FD to you? How much is Gawn going to score on his home deck against a first gamer anyway?

 

[NT.Thunder]

Just chuck anyone in and sort it at the end of round 2

 

[donnybuang]

Would a club name someone as a debutante, if they weren't guaranteed to get on the field?

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Would a club name someone as a debutante, if they weren't guaranteed to get on the field?

Who knows for sure. We may find out at 6.25pm this evening though.

 

[freowho]

McNeil will be confined to a deep forward pocket role, with talented players in the emergencies waiting for there chance. Prime candidate to become deadwood for mine, he would really have to impress to keep his spot in that side. Basement price yes but not sure I'm not sure I'm that keen on him to be honest.

My question is, why are these talented players in the emergencies and not in the best 22 to start the season ? A side as strong as the Dogs who should be challenging more this season, no reason why they’d pick the mature aged drafted just for the sake of it. The more I think about it, I think they must have a reasonably set role for him to fill in their side. And if he plays the role to what the coaching staff want, it’s his to keep ?

Like surely there’s no point playing him for one or two games then flicking him for West, if West was ahead of him in the pecking order he should be playing tonight. And you can say look at Cavarra, but there was a 3-4 month layoff between games in that case.

I don't think West or Johannison would be taking McNeils spot. It looks to me like he is warming the seat for McLean and Hannan as he's not that small. Hannan listed as to be confirmed. Weightman might be another one but a bit underdeveloped. Obviously gone past Cavarra although Cavarra is really a mid isn't he?

 

[freowho]

Would a club name someone as a debutante, if they weren't guaranteed to get on the field?

Not questioning GG's source but it would seem unlikely to me Hawthorn would make a big deal about Downie if he was the sub.

 

[aj74]

Yeah look I don't have the answer, hard to know what is going through Bevo's mind. Could be teaching a few guys a lesson for all we know.

At the end of the day he's playing a role that's hard to score in, with poor job security - IMO anyway, I don't see the upside. Say for example they lose tonight in a poor showing, his name is probably on the chopping block already.

But hey I could be wrong, rookies are a lottery sometimes!

Yeah I'm not 100% on McNeil. But I watched the replay of their community match and while he is undersized, he looks capable at the level. Nice kick and a good turn of pace. Moves really well. I liked his positioning at the contest too. Also got poleaxed by Jones up on the wing but got up and 30 seconds later roved a spill and dobbed it on the run from 35. Reckon Bevo would have gone through a few Kleenex after all that.

So while there is huge risk around his role and competition for it, he's good enough to play at the level and play well. That puts him ahead of a lot of his rookie competition on our lists.

 

[Montyjnr]

I'll be rolling the dice on Lazzaro, Jordon or Jones before I consider McNeil.

 

[Herbie66]

Just chuck anyone in and sort it at the end of round 2

One year I think I will just start a team of everyone named Round 1 under $ 200k plus a C/VC

Leave it alone for 6 rounds , then just start trading

 

[aj74]

One year I think I will just start a team of everyone named Round 1 under $ 200k plus a C/VC

Leave it alone for 6 rounds , then just start trading

You might be on to something. Pick say 20 rookies and the 10 top premiums. Leave yourself 1 to 1.2 million to spend. Then instead of needing to do rookie corrections, you can just correct the crap ones to proper premiums.

 

[N29]

I don't think West or Johannison would be taking McNeils spot. It looks to me like he is warming the seat for McLean and Hannan as he's not that small. Hannan listed as to be confirmed. Weightman might be another one but a bit underdeveloped. Obviously gone past Cavarra although Cavarra is really a mid isn't he?

Yeah not singling out any one player who might take Mcneils spot, more so pointing out there is quite a lot of talent and depth waiting in the wings. It's not a bottom 4 club situation where a mature aged guy might be given every chance. Mcneil will need to deliver early or he'll be gone, once again not an easy task for a midfielder playing FP.

 

[N29]

Yeah I'm not 100% on McNeil. But I watched the replay of their community match and while he is undersized, he looks capable at the level. Nice kick and a good turn of pace. Moves really well. I liked his positioning at the contest too. Also got poleaxed by Jones up on the wing but got up and 30 seconds later roved a spill and dobbed it on the run from 35. Reckon Bevo would have gone through a few Kleenex after all that.

So while there is huge risk around his role and competition for it, he's good enough to play at the level and play well. That puts him ahead of a lot of his rookie competition on our lists.

Yeah he looks to have some talent, I just can't see him getting any time on the ball or even really up the ground considering the caliber of guys already getting pushed to HF flanks. He scored very poorly in the pre-season game playing Melbourne's B team with no intensity.

I just don't see it, would be happy for you blokes taking him if you are right!