2022: AFL SC Player Discussions

[pizza safety]

Is anyone here going to start Hall? I know not to pick players who have a spike year randomly late in their career and his past inconsistency and ability to flash high scoring makes me even more cautious......but would he have always scored this well if only he was given this role sometime in the past, was this role allowing him to finally string his high scoring games together consistently? half-back is one position where players can find scoring potential late in their career. Thoughts anyone?

Hall averaged 115.43 in his last 16 games

 

[Darkie]

Is anyone here going to start Hall? I know not to pick players who have a spike year randomly late in their career and his past inconsistency and ability to flash high scoring makes me even more cautious......but would he have always scored this well if only he was given this role sometime in the past, was this role allowing him to finally string his high scoring games together consistently? half-back is one position where players can find scoring potential late in their career. Thoughts anyone?

I don’t think it’s a random late career spike, I agree that the role change influences how this should be viewed/assessed.

I think the questions would be whether he’ll have the same role, whether he will for some reason score worse in it (eg attention) and whether he’s fit to start the season. He should be a good pick if he ticks those boxes, albeit there might be other options that are slightly better. I’ve seen people argue he’s discounted given some low scores early before going back.

I have five premium defenders at this stage, and he isn’t one of them. Could do worse though.

 

[pizza safety]

I don’t think it’s a random late career spike, I agree that the role change influences how this should be viewed/assessed.

I think the questions would be whether he’ll have the same role, whether he will for some reason score worse in it (eg attention) and whether he’s fit to start the season. He should be a good pick if he ticks those boxes, albeit there might be other options that are slightly better. I’ve seen people argue he’s discounted given some low scores early before going back.

I have five premium defenders at this stage, and he isn’t one of them. Could do worse though.

Good points.

The thing that makes me suspicious that it is a random spike was his ability to always score so high and look incredible only to fall back down in previous years. Was he just able to find himself in the right mental space for a season or was it role? then I wonder how North didnt try him in that role earlier, I don't wonder about GC not doing that because they're cooked. I do think a peak season at his age is a bit suspicious no matter what but I agree that this could be an exception. If North are better it will follow that he could get more attention, I don't think teams would bother tagging a half-back in a game they would seem likely to win.

I'd rather wait on him and start Lloyd who has no questions.

 

[Darkie]

Good points.

The thing that makes me suspicious that it is a random spike was his ability to always score so high and look incredible only to fall back down in previous years. Was he just able to find himself in the right mental space for a season or was it role? then I wonder how North didnt try him in that role earlier, I don't wonder about GC not doing that because they're cooked. I do think a peak season at his age is a bit suspicious no matter what but I agree that this could be an exception. If North are better it will follow that he could get more attention, I don't think teams would bother tagging a half-back in a game they would seem likely to win.

I'd rather wait on him and start Lloyd who has no questions.

It would be good to get a North fan’a view, or a view from someone who watched him closely.

I owned him at times last year and he seemed to have a very favourable role - seemed to just run around down back, rarely saw him defend, and later on he seemed to demand the ball from Ziebell at times, which he’d often receive, but he basically never returned the favour to Ziebell. It was quite annoying as a Ziebell owner, but they both scored wel enough that it was okay overall.

 

[PC]

Does Hall down back make North a better side?

He just doesn't appeal and feels like fools gold based on a spike year but then I am stubborn.

 

[Professor]

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[Torress]

Hall hasn't left my starting side yet. Even in ball ups down the wing, he would just sit in behind and hover around and they tried to get it to him all the time. He is a really nice disposal too. I'm not over thinking it, until shown otherwise he has become pig like. And then everyone's role is different in the pre season games and I late swap him!

 

[Bontempele]

My gut feeling is that Hall will probably drop away a little bit, simply because it was such a late career spike, and I think he only needs one niggly injury to become a 90 average player. But I’m certainly not confident about this, and if he stays fit he could easily average 110 again. I just think his potential downside is probably a bit larger than his potential upside.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Is anyone here going to start Hall? I know not to pick players who have a spike year randomly late in their career and his past inconsistency and ability to flash high scoring makes me even more cautious......but would he have always scored this well if only he was given this role sometime in the past, was this role allowing him to finally string his high scoring games together consistently? half-back is one position where players can find scoring potential late in their career. Thoughts anyone?

Hall averaged 115.43 in his last 16 games

I don’t think it’s a random late career spike, I agree that the role change influences how this should be viewed/assessed.

I think the questions would be whether he’ll have the same role, whether he will for some reason score worse in it (eg attention) and whether he’s fit to start the season. He should be a good pick if he ticks those boxes, albeit there might be other options that are slightly better. I’ve seen people argue he’s discounted given some low scores early before going back.

I have five premium defenders at this stage, and he isn’t one of them. Could do worse though.

Does Hall down back make North a better side?

He just doesn't appeal and feels like fools gold based on a spike year but then I am stubborn.

Hall hasn't left my starting side yet. Even in ball ups down the wing, he would just sit in behind and hover around and they tried to get it to him all the time. He is a really nice disposal too. I'm not over thinking it, until shown otherwise he has become pig like. And then everyone's role is different in the pre season games and I late swap him!

My gut feeling is that Hall will probably drop away a little bit, simply because it was such a late career spike, and I think he only needs one niggly injury to become a 90 average player. But I’m certainly not confident about this, and if he stays fit he could easily average 110 again. I just think his potential downside is probably a bit larger than his potential upside.

Funny, I think Hall will be the 2nd most owned premium defender. Had so injury scores last year and then changed roles, so you are partly protected if he doesn't maintain it.

re Ziebell, that man cannot kick and hence why Hall demands and doesn't give back. North were much more dangerous when the ball was in Halls hands. North may be a better side however they need to be winning games for teams to think about tagging you would think. Plus, tagged half backers maybe 1 in 4 games. Age a factor. Injury history isn't as bad as we think when you look into it.

 

[BIGB0Y]

Is Sicily a must have? At his price he has to be a keeper. Is he to injury prone? Thoughts

 

[PC]

Is Sicily a must have? At his price he has to be a keeper. Is he to injury prone? Thoughts

Not in my team at the moment. I am unsure about his role with a new coach and certainly lots of competition in the backs at Hawthorn. Much less competition in the fwds and the Hawks know Sic can kick a goal or two. @Goodie’s Guns - any inside info?

 

[Ironhawk]

Not in my team at the moment. I am unsure about his role with a new coach and certainly lots of competition in the backs at Hawthorn. Much less competition in the fwds and the Hawks know Sic can kick a goal or two. @Goodie’s Guns - any inside info?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1480359979701792773

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Says he'll be playing back unless he's out of form.

https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/1040892

Listed as a defender on the website.

No guarantees of course, but promising.

 

[Blue Dragons]

For those who are not picking Taranto - which seems to be most – what are the reasons and who do you think will average / score more than him?

Last year he was chosen as a starting selection for many teams (including the SC winner) to be a keeper in the midfield. Now all of a sudden people don’t want him for their forward line? If he was a forward last year, he would have scored the third most points in the forward line. And this years crop of forwards doesn't really scream 100+ to me either.

He still hasn’t turned 24 yet so he has potential upside. His ball use is poor but it can’t get any worse. Any improvement will see a boost in score. He spent some time forward late last year but his last 5 games including finals he still averaged a tick over 100 during that stretch.

Even if he doesn’t improve on last year, he can still be a top 3 forward. I have him as a 100-105 average this year but even he if only maintains last years score that is still a top 3 forward potential that I can lock in and not have to worry about for the year – and as someone who usually runs out of trades by about round 16 that’s handy!

 

[Seymour Skinner]

Hall's situation very much reminds me of the peak years we got from Docherty.

North are no good at the moment, teams aren't going to tag him at half back, they are going to back in all their own structures.

As long as he remains playing bruise free footy at half back he's a lock.

 

[Seymour Skinner]

For those who are not picking Taranto - which seems to be most – what are the reasons and who do you think will average / score more than him?

Last year he was chosen as a starting selection for many teams (including the SC winner) to be a keeper in the midfield. Now all of a sudden people don’t want him for their forward line? If he was a forward last year, he would have scored the third most points in the forward line. And this years crop of forwards doesn't really scream 100+ to me either.

He still hasn’t turned 24 yet so he has potential upside. His ball use is poor but it can’t get any worse. Any improvement will see a boost in score. He spent some time forward late last year but his last 5 games including finals he still averaged a tick over 100 during that stretch.

Even if he doesn’t improve on last year, he can still be a top 3 forward. I have him as a 100-105 average this year but even he if only maintains last years score that is still a top 3 forward potential that I can lock in and not have to worry about for the year – and as someone who usually runs out of trades by about round 16 that’s handy!

Think most have given him a miss due to Greene's absence at the start of the season.

 

[Sabretooth Tigers]

Hi guys Can't access team picker or any supercoach. reckon Supercoach opening up today or night. Cheers.

 

[Connoisseur]

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[Shannon]

For those who are not picking Taranto - which seems to be most – what are the reasons and who do you think will average / score more than him?

Last year he was chosen as a starting selection for many teams (including the SC winner) to be a keeper in the midfield. Now all of a sudden people don’t want him for their forward line? If he was a forward last year, he would have scored the third most points in the forward line. And this years crop of forwards doesn't really scream 100+ to me either.

He still hasn’t turned 24 yet so he has potential upside. His ball use is poor but it can’t get any worse. Any improvement will see a boost in score. He spent some time forward late last year but his last 5 games including finals he still averaged a tick over 100 during that stretch.

Even if he doesn’t improve on last year, he can still be a top 3 forward. I have him as a 100-105 average this year but even he if only maintains last years score that is still a top 3 forward potential that I can lock in and not have to worry about for the year – and as someone who usually runs out of trades by about round 16 that’s handy!

A few concerns :-

Toby Greene missing early rounds, could well play mainly fwd which could hurt his ability to score

Can have the odd shocker so could potentially get him cheaper during the season

Leon Cameron is his coach... makes some puzzling decisions at times lol

Last 7 games of the regular season last year :-



Just 2 x 100+ scores in his last 7, 3 scores of 64 or less

Don't think his ball use will improve, has always been a butcher/ seems rushed when kicking the footy.

Lots of value available in the fwd line this year - guys like Coniglio/ Gresham/ Curnow/ Brodie (if Freo pick him to take Cerra's position for example)/ Hollands (who everyone will have I suspect)

Other attractive premiums like Dunkley who can score huge in the right role, Duncan has a great SC scoring history & Dusty (8 years of averaging around 100 or more until last year)

Potential underpriced premiums like Butters (see sig - set for midfield time), Treloar (pending the Bailey Smith situation), Tarryn Thomas, De Goey (much risk though), Zac Bailey, Shai Bolton etc look appealing depending on their preseasons.

I think we could see much variety in the fwd lines picked this season, more so than any other line - it is historically the most volatile scoring line so I think most coaches are willing to take some educated punts with the fwds they pick compared to other lines & with so many quality value options available.

 

[Blue Dragons]

A few concerns :-

Toby Greene missing early rounds, could well play mainly fwd which could hurt his ability to score

Can have the odd shocker so could potentially get him cheaper during the season

Leon Cameron is his coach... makes some puzzling decisions at times lol

Last 7 games of the regular season last year :-

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Just 2 x 100+ scores in his last 7, 3 scores of 64 or less

Don't think his ball use will improve, has always been a butcher/ seems rushed when kicking the footy.

Lots of value available in the fwd line this year - guys like Coniglio/ Gresham/ Curnow/ Brodie (if Freo pick him to take Cerra's position for example)/ Hollands (who everyone will have I suspect)

Other attractive premiums like Dunkley who can score huge in the right role, Duncan has a great SC scoring history & Dusty (8 years of averaging around 100 or more until last year)

Potential underpriced premiums like Butters (see sig - set for midfield time), Treloar (pending the Bailey Smith situation), Tarryn Thomas, De Goey (much risk though), Zac Bailey, Shai Bolton etc look appealing depending on their preseasons.

I think we could see much variety in the fwd lines picked this season, more so than any other line - it is historically the most volatile scoring line so I think most coaches are willing to take some educated punts with the fwds they pick compared to other lines & with so many quality value options available.

Thanks for your response. All very good points.

I think my take away from that is I'm a lot less keen on those other options. I have Dunkley and Butters. I don't like any of the $200k-$400k options. Duncan is an option but I always seem to have him when he misses games.
The only other two underpriced options I like are De Goey..who may not even start the year. And Heeney but that's always a risk.

 

[pizza safety]

Funny, I think Hall will be the 2nd most owned premium defender. Had so injury scores last year and then changed roles, so you are partly protected if he doesn't maintain it.

re Ziebell, that man cannot kick and hence why Hall demands and doesn't give back. North were much more dangerous when the ball was in Halls hands. North may be a better side however they need to be winning games for teams to think about tagging you would think. Plus, tagged half backers maybe 1 in 4 games. Age a factor. Injury history isn't as bad as we think when you look into it.

I think ultimately with how he is priced it's unlikely to hurt you if you don't start him. I think with him being a year older and likely to get more attention if everything goes well he scores 110, not incredible value but decent. Then he has a substantially lower floor and injury risk which makes it all not seem worthwhile. Agree he is their best outlet from defence and someone they will look to continue to use but he is still shadowed by past inconsistency regardless of positional changes. I think he goes 95-110 but he has the type of floor which puts me off.