2022: AFL SC Player Discussions

[Beast_Mode]

SC position additions with be based off the CD statistics for actual time spent playing across the various lines. So will be the same as those that get the added position in AFL Fantasy, and not subjective additions based of eye test(?) / heat maps(?) that is sounds like they might do in UF based of your description above.

Thanks for the info. Hopefully that eliminates some of the nuance seen in other formats if there is a set threshold to be met to be eligible for DPP.

 

[Eagling]

Thats also what i am thinking. Time to do some tinkering. I am Starting with Jake Bowey from the Melbourne FC. Can any Demons Members give the forum the Update on his prospect this year. Looked comfortable with the pace of the game season 2021.

Dream come true scenario for the Lad. Premiership with a few games played.

Does the Lad hold his place for RD1.? And Then can he improve to a 75+ to his bye round.?

Prime example of why I don't mind 5 extra trades; it baits coaches into upheaving their sides and potentially sets them back even further than 5 trades puts them ahead.

 

[Eagling]

My early thoughts are to use one boost just before the first bye and during the second and third bye rounds. Have the other one handy if there is 3 rookies on the bubble in one round. The last one/two could be handy for the last rounds if there is too many rested.

Round 3, 2 between Rounds 6-10, Round 13&14.

 

[Chumpion]

Can't wait for all the complaints when games get impacted by covid and everyone has already used their bonus trades for anything other than cover for covid related impacts!

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Prime example of why I don't mind 5 extra trades; it baits coaches into upheaving their sides and potentially sets them back even further than 5 trades puts them ahead.

Love this post. History says you are on the money. When we saw extra trades come our way, some talked about using them over byes in more reckless way and then regretting their decisions later in the season coping donuts. People will lower the quality of their teams thinking they have 5 extra trades to backstop them.

No different to financial markets which have been boosted by easy money and the Fed put, inducing risk and now seeing the pain come.

 

[Eagling]

Can't wait for all the complaints when games get impacted by covid and everyone has already used their bonus trades for anything other than cover for covid related impacts!

I think the trade boosts are more useful used proactively but your team should be set up well enough using those boosts to cover all but the unluckiest scenarios.

 

[Eagling]

Love this post. History says you are on the money. When we saw extra trades come our way, some talked about using them over byes in more reckless way and then regretting their decisions later in the season coping donuts. People will lower the quality of their teams thinking they have 5 extra trades to backstop them.

No different to financial markets which have been boosted by easy money and the Fed put, inducing risk and now seeing the pain come.

I mean, I include myself too; I've been reckless with trading too at times. Supercoach is basically trying to avoid messing yourself up faster than the other guy.

Of course there are a handful of people who are absolute trading and structural experts.

 

[Chumpion]

I think the trade boosts are more useful used proactively but your team should be set up well enough using those boosts to cover all but the unluckiest scenarios.

I don't disagree but given the talk about AFL SC learning from the BBL season, I have a feeling it would take something significant for additional changes to be made. Given bench sizes and the potential for 2 teams to be impacted if a game is shifted (or one team if they have to replace players from a top up pool) I think it makes sense to be a bit more conservative with the boost trades. My understanding of the rules is you can only use 5 trades outside of the normal maximum for a round, meaning once you've done it 5 times then you lose that flexibility for the rest of the season.

Also reckon it's worth keeping in mind the respective benefits of a sideways trade vs avoiding donuts/replacing them with rookies.

let's say you use your bonus trades at the following times:

Round 3
Round 6
Round 9
Round 13/14 (byes)

Ignoring the bye trades (as that gets a lot harder to quantify benefits), then the way I see it if you get +5 points per week from that trade, then:

Round 3 = +100 points
Round 6 = +85 points
Round 9 = +70 points

Depending on the value of players missing, you could argue that each of these total scores can be justified as cover for a future donut but if you get anything less than a +5 points per week increase you're in strife. So you'd want to nail those trades!

I know this isn't very sophisticated but just wanted to highlight that the value of these trades can be seen in a few different ways.

2 last thoughts on this one..

1. I can see people using these trades to "stretch" their upgrades by doing 2 downgrades for one upgrade. Might lead to better ins over the first few rounds but once the cash dries up that could be an issue!
2. There could be value in keeping one of the bonus trades up your sleeve to keep the trade loophole alive late in the round.

 

[Eagling]

I don't disagree but given the talk about AFL SC learning from the BBL season, I have a feeling it would take something significant for additional changes to be made. Given bench sizes and the potential for 2 teams to be impacted if a game is shifted (or one team if they have to replace players from a top up pool) I think it makes sense to be a bit more conservative with the boost trades. My understanding of the rules is you can only use 5 trades outside of the normal maximum for a round, meaning once you've done it 5 times then you lose that flexibility for the rest of the season.

Also reckon it's worth keeping in mind the respective benefits of a sideways trade vs avoiding donuts/replacing them with rookies.

let's say you use your bonus trades at the following times:

Round 3
Round 6
Round 9
Round 13/14 (byes)

Ignoring the bye trades (as that gets a lot harder to quantify benefits), then the way I see it if you get +5 points per week from that trade, then:

Round 3 = +100 points
Round 6 = +85 points
Round 9 = +70 points

Depending on the value of players missing, you could argue that each of these total scores can be justified as cover for a future donut but if you get anything less than a +5 points per week increase you're in strife. So you'd want to nail those trades!

I know this isn't very sophisticated but just wanted to highlight that the value of these trades can be seen in a few different ways.

2 last thoughts on this one..

1. I can see people using these trades to "stretch" their upgrades by doing 2 downgrades for one upgrade. Might lead to better ins over the first few rounds but once the cash dries up that could be an issue!
2. There could be value in keeping one of the bonus trades up your sleeve to keep the trade loophole alive late in the round.

I don't disagree in practice, but two factors.

Upgrade season is when trades are most valuable and do all the heavy lifting (as well as Round 3 to fix rookies and cash gen which sets your side up for the entire season).

Additionally, a lot of the time many people will be in the same boat as you missing players late out. If you've used your boosts wisely, that could mean hundreds of points or hundreds of thousands of extra team value you've already banked.

 

[Chumpion]

I don't disagree in practice, but two factors.

Upgrade season is when trades are most valuable and do all the heavy lifting (as well as Round 3 to fix rookies and cash gen which sets your side up for the entire season).

Additionally, a lot of the time many people will be in the same boat as you missing players late out. If you've used your boosts wisely, that could mean hundreds of points or hundreds of thousands of extra team value you've already banked.

Upgrade season trades are only most valuable as it gives you the longest possible time with a full premo team. I think this year is different given the increased risk of players and/or teams being out. Not sure it's worth using extra trades to upgrade earlier only to run out of trades or players over the peak winter months when covid is at it's strongest.

 

[Eagling]

Upgrade season trades are only most valuable as it gives you the longest possible time with a full premo team. I think this year is different given the increased risk of players and/or teams being out. Not sure it's worth using extra trades to upgrade earlier only to run out of trades or players over the peak winter months when covid is at it's strongest.

You've lost me on the logic here.

If we assume COVID is both an ever-present threat and a risk to all, isn't it better to have premium scores already banked?

 

[Chumpion]

You've lost me on the logic here.

If we assume COVID is both an ever-present threat and a risk to all, isn't it better to have premium scores already banked?

It's not really banked if they miss a later game and you don't have the trade flexibility to do anything about it. I'm not suggesting a deviation from normal upgrade strategies, but going hyper aggressively early could well backfire if teams/players are wiped out, byes are reshuffled, or fixtures are altered - especially if it happens mid round.

 

[freowho]

Upgrade season trades are only most valuable as it gives you the longest possible time with a full premo team. I think this year is different given the increased risk of players and/or teams being out. Not sure it's worth using extra trades to upgrade earlier only to run out of trades or players over the peak winter months when covid is at it's strongest.

In one month the governments have gone from a strict test and isolate regime to RAT tests and self reporting. Who knows by the start of the season if it isn't just a matter of letting the hospitalisations happen. Conservative play could be a good plan if you are league focused as many of your 17 opponents will fall over but if you want the $50k you're betting against none of 200'000 other teams getting lucky.

 

[Eagling]

In one month the governments have gone from a strict test and isolate regime to RAT tests and self reporting. Who knows by the start of the season if it isn't just a matter of letting the hospitalisations happen. Conservative play could be a good plan if you are league focused as many of your 17 opponents will fall over but if you want the $50k you're betting against none of 200'000 other teams getting lucky.

Oh yeah I wasn't even thinking of league focused strategies.

I will point out it's probably a good idea to have a handful of trades held back late; I was advocating spending the boosts early-middle.

 

[Herbie66]

Be nice to see some positivity.

50 days to go before the season starts , yet all doom and gloom about what might happen with Covid (maybe we don't actually get any interruptions at all and can enjoy the season without losing players , last minute fixture changes etc etc )

It's SC open day we should all be happy and having a party 🤗🥳🤗

 

[NT.Thunder]

One thing the trade boost may help with is going light in the rucks and watching which of the likely top 3 of Grundy, Gawn and Darcy look to be the best options. If things go wrong it does allow additional cash generation through 2 downgrades to settle on a premium ruck. Does take some risk out of that line now IMO.

 

[Shaunpro1]

As long as they don't keep adding "covid trades" throughout the year I think it's a good balance to provide some cover. I'll be annoyed if they add more though as it'll just reward anyone who burns the bonus 5 straight away..

The way Pete Jank from Virtual Sports was responding on Twitter it sounded to me like theyd add more trades if there was a significant Covid interruption, could very quickly become a bit of a mickey mouse season.

 

[Leroy]

One thing the trade boost may help with is going light in the rucks and watching which of the likely top 3 of Grundy, Gawn and Darcy look to be the best options. If things go wrong it does allow additional cash generation through 2 downgrades to settle on a premium ruck. Does take some risk out of that line now IMO.

I'm going light in the FWD line anyway, and can now go light in the rucks as well right?

With a bunch of solid looking MID rookie type options, I'll end up with 6 premium defenders soon plus a bunch of cash left over

 

[Shaunpro1]

One thing the trade boost may help with is going light in the rucks and watching which of the likely top 3 of Grundy, Gawn and Darcy look to be the best options. If things go wrong it does allow additional cash generation through 2 downgrades to settle on a premium ruck. Does take some risk out of that line now IMO.

Maybe, but if you start mid priced rucks and need to upgrade them and also get hit with Covid outs at the same time you're going to be in alot of trouble.

 

[manyproblems]

How I will use trade boosts if things pan out with rookies.

R6 - 2 down 1 up
R7 - 2 down 1 up
R8 - 2 down 1 up
R9 - 1 up/1 down, should have some extra cash to keep doing this for as long as possible.

save 1 boost for the last bye round, and 1 spare for the rest of the season.

If injuries then trade around it unless forced. Bench covid outs. We will have DPP rookies galore to help cover.

ty for listen to my ted talk