Discussion 2022: Rate My Team
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Really don’t like it sorry. I count 11 players I’d be happy with at season’s end. When you structure up like that I want to see Neale at M5 or M6 with a D-G ruck. What is Lynch doing at R3? Wait for the rookies to come, they will. You’ll be able to pull a bit of cash out around the place and build a stronger team.
Interesting / ballsy selection of Howe. Love it.
Interesting / ballsy selection of Howe. Love it.
Are you planning on upgrading your 4 rookie players to 4 premiums by Round 7 or mid pricers ?
Can't for the life of me see how you can generate enough $$$ by then through downgrades to fund 4 premium upgrades.
Guess depends where your onfield rookies are but if somehow for example JHF & Daicos reach $ 400k each by Round 7 they would be scoring at ultra premium level themselves , still would need at least $ 200k+ each to get to a premium mid.
I guess 4 bench downgrades making $ 100k each get you the $ 400k.
So that's 4 down for 2 up.
So 8 downs for 4 ups = 12 trades in 6 Rounds
Plus a FD so not generating any $$$ from them.
Very fanciful to be honest given prices don't change after they have played 3 games.
Be interesting to see how you plan it to work
Round 4 - 2 down , 1 up
Round 5 - 2 down , 1 up
Round 6 - 2 down , 1 up
Round 7 - 1 down , 1 up
Only 7 bench players to trade down
Can't see how they are generating enough $$$ by then.
Be curious to see your side if you are starting 14 premiums + 4 mid pricers
Can't for the life of me see how you can generate enough $$$ by then through downgrades to fund 4 premium upgrades.
Guess depends where your onfield rookies are but if somehow for example JHF & Daicos reach $ 400k each by Round 7 they would be scoring at ultra premium level themselves , still would need at least $ 200k+ each to get to a premium mid.
I guess 4 bench downgrades making $ 100k each get you the $ 400k.
So that's 4 down for 2 up.
So 8 downs for 4 ups = 12 trades in 6 Rounds
Plus a FD so not generating any $$$ from them.
Very fanciful to be honest given prices don't change after they have played 3 games.
Be interesting to see how you plan it to work
Round 4 - 2 down , 1 up
Round 5 - 2 down , 1 up
Round 6 - 2 down , 1 up
Round 7 - 1 down , 1 up
Only 7 bench players to trade down
Can't see how they are generating enough $$$ by then.
Be curious to see your side if you are starting 14 premiums + 4 mid pricers
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Some interesting analysis has been done on the starting teams of the last 4 winners in DT with the basic takeaways being:
Average Premiums 6.8
Average discounted premiums 3.4
Average midpricers 7.0
Average rookies 4.8
Also, none of the teams started with the highest scoring players of the year before.
Obviously having nearly 50 trades in that format gives you a 'get out of jail free card' but the common denominator was the chasing of value and the average score above starting price was around 20pts.
So I thought I might apply some of that logic to my starting team in SC this year.
Premiums 6.0.
Lloyd, Hall and Duncan I see as fairly priced with value picks in Mitchell, Walsh and Petracca, plus I haven't taken any of the top 6 mids from last year, hoping to target 3 of them in my upgrades.
Lloyd
Hall
Mitchell
Walsh
Petracca
Duncan
Discounted Premiums 6.0
I've included De Goey, Thomas and Heeney here as I see considerable upside in their SP's with an opportunity to become keepers.
Sicily
Jelly
Neale
De Goey
Thomas
Heeney
Midpricers 6.0
For me they're all stepping stones.
Rioli
Coleman
Witts
Reeves
Cogs
Curnow
Rookies (placeholders) 4.0
SDK
JHF
Daicos
Maginness
My planning revolves around upgrading the 6 MP's before the bye rnds with the final 4 upgrades completed by the end of the byes. Maginness will go FWD using Curnow to upgrade, O'Driscoll will go to DEF using Rioli to upgrade, I'd think that Daicos would get DEF DPP so he'll go back using Coleman to upgrade. My 1st priority though will be upgrading Reeves to a ruck that is showing good scoring (I'm not sure on any of the rucks ATS) I'm trusting Witts at R1 until his bye in rnd13.
Average Premiums 6.8
Average discounted premiums 3.4
Average midpricers 7.0
Average rookies 4.8
Also, none of the teams started with the highest scoring players of the year before.
Obviously having nearly 50 trades in that format gives you a 'get out of jail free card' but the common denominator was the chasing of value and the average score above starting price was around 20pts.
So I thought I might apply some of that logic to my starting team in SC this year.
Premiums 6.0.
Lloyd, Hall and Duncan I see as fairly priced with value picks in Mitchell, Walsh and Petracca, plus I haven't taken any of the top 6 mids from last year, hoping to target 3 of them in my upgrades.
Lloyd
Hall
Mitchell
Walsh
Petracca
Duncan
Discounted Premiums 6.0
I've included De Goey, Thomas and Heeney here as I see considerable upside in their SP's with an opportunity to become keepers.
Sicily
Jelly
Neale
De Goey
Thomas
Heeney
Midpricers 6.0
For me they're all stepping stones.
Rioli
Coleman
Witts
Reeves
Cogs
Curnow
Rookies (placeholders) 4.0
SDK
JHF
Daicos
Maginness
My planning revolves around upgrading the 6 MP's before the bye rnds with the final 4 upgrades completed by the end of the byes. Maginness will go FWD using Curnow to upgrade, O'Driscoll will go to DEF using Rioli to upgrade, I'd think that Daicos would get DEF DPP so he'll go back using Coleman to upgrade. My 1st priority though will be upgrading Reeves to a ruck that is showing good scoring (I'm not sure on any of the rucks ATS) I'm trusting Witts at R1 until his bye in rnd13.
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(1) - Yes, all at least one game
(2) - Yes year end price - starting price
Realized that I made the rookie error of counting DPP players twice.
Doesn't affect the +$150k numbers, but reduces some of the others.
I've also added the spread of those that lost value and how many did nothing.
Note: All players with $0 played either 1 or 2 games so they didn't get a price adjustment in SC
(2) - Yes year end price - starting price
Realized that I made the rookie error of counting DPP players twice.
Doesn't affect the +$150k numbers, but reduces some of the others.
I've also added the spread of those that lost value and how many did nothing.
Note: All players with $0 played either 1 or 2 games so they didn't get a price adjustment in SC
(1) - Yes, all at least one game
(2) - Yes year end price - starting price
Realized that I made the rookie error of counting DPP players twice.
Doesn't affect the +$150k numbers, but reduces some of the others.
I've also added the spread of those that lost value and how many did nothing.
Note: All players with $0 played either 1 or 2 games so they didn't get a price adjustment in SC
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(2) - Yes year end price - starting price
Realized that I made the rookie error of counting DPP players twice.
Doesn't affect the +$150k numbers, but reduces some of the others.
I've also added the spread of those that lost value and how many did nothing.
Note: All players with $0 played either 1 or 2 games so they didn't get a price adjustment in SC
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I’ll need to dig into this in more detail 🙂
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I feel you are perennially conservative on how much rookies can make. And I understand why given some of your SC experiences. Here is something super rough (yes there are couple of issues in the calcs but I'm not at home right now to make is perfect). But basically spend the extra trades a bit later, assume your rookies make more $, and yeah the FD might need to be $ generator for it to work. Also the purchase amounts only assume all basement cost rookies, obviously we'll spend a bit more but with the view of making at least as much $. So the purchases could be a little higher in that case.
And I'm back down to 13 premiums +4 MPs, so it's going to take me another round.
And I'm back down to 13 premiums +4 MPs, so it's going to take me another round.
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Thank you very much for that, ask and you shall receive hey!
Didn't start with any of them but traded Hickey, Ziebell, Darcy, Hall and Dale in when they were relatively low priced.
I wonder how many players gained $150k 'in season?' I know Tex made 194k in just 7 games (no, I didn't jump on that train) and De Goey went from a low of 296k to make 223k at years end (yep, I hitched a ride on that one) Also got Rioli in late at 228k but he only made $149,300.
Didn't start with any of them but traded Hickey, Ziebell, Darcy, Hall and Dale in when they were relatively low priced.
I wonder how many players gained $150k 'in season?' I know Tex made 194k in just 7 games (no, I didn't jump on that train) and De Goey went from a low of 296k to make 223k at years end (yep, I hitched a ride on that one) Also got Rioli in late at 228k but he only made $149,300.
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I've found my passion again for SC this pre-season, can't get enough of it and feeling young again - LOL I'm only 47 anyway!!!
I know there's a long way to go but I'm busy planning and seeing peoples thoughts, I think I'm a lot more receptive to critism on my team than I have been over the years but here I am so far going into the pre-season.
The current issue I have is getting the good rookies in and hearing JHF dominate the intra today makes me think I need him in there but for who. Perez possibly goes down to a playing defender that will no doubt raise their hand prior to round 1 but it's really not enough to go from a base rookie to JHF. I'm probably going to have to go Rowell down which poses my question of Player X vs player Y.
Thoughts on Rowell & Martin VS JHF & Duncan (+$100k) - the $100k could be used to upgrade maybe Sicily to Ridley/Hall I guess or even Petracca up to Macrae.
The game never gets any easier does it!
Dawson is a watch but could be Hall/Ridley
Martin could be a Heeney - ideally I'd like to get to Duncan but will track them all preseason regarding recovery from injury and even Butters could become one of these also depending on how he tracks these next few weeks.
It's good to be back in the game.
I know there's a long way to go but I'm busy planning and seeing peoples thoughts, I think I'm a lot more receptive to critism on my team than I have been over the years but here I am so far going into the pre-season.
The current issue I have is getting the good rookies in and hearing JHF dominate the intra today makes me think I need him in there but for who. Perez possibly goes down to a playing defender that will no doubt raise their hand prior to round 1 but it's really not enough to go from a base rookie to JHF. I'm probably going to have to go Rowell down which poses my question of Player X vs player Y.
Thoughts on Rowell & Martin VS JHF & Duncan (+$100k) - the $100k could be used to upgrade maybe Sicily to Ridley/Hall I guess or even Petracca up to Macrae.
The game never gets any easier does it!
Dawson is a watch but could be Hall/Ridley
Martin could be a Heeney - ideally I'd like to get to Duncan but will track them all preseason regarding recovery from injury and even Butters could become one of these also depending on how he tracks these next few weeks.
It's good to be back in the game.
I would make an observation of these kinds of numbers. Obviously they are not incorrect but they do not portray reality either. A lot of these rookies would not have been kept for the total number of games for that season. As cash cows they get sold hopefully when as fat as they can be. Now timing that is hard but as an example take Warner. After six rds he was ave 81 and his price was $337,300. It usually takes 7 rds for rookies to build cash so he would have been a prime candidate to take the money and run. As one very good coach on this site once said. "It is not if you have a player that matters, it is when you have him." And I don't remember who said that as it was long time ago but they are dead right.
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