Position 2022: Midfield Discussion

[KLo30]

Lipinski $ 359,900.00 🤔

Who knows what he averages , finally could get the right role and opportunity.

Need to have at least "fun" pick to start the season , surely.

Awesome fun pick.

He will be high in draft leagues and keeper leagues.

Could be super POD If he can spike 2,3,4 and then trade.

 

[Herbie66]

I think I like him more than Rowell in the same price range but I can't say I'm in love with either for SC, just a huge jump that you're chasing.

Happy for them to demand selection though, those two at M2 and M3 could make for some very interesting structures

Neale @ M1 ? Lipinski , Rowell , Berry , Constable (doubt he plays) + all the rookies.

Wouldn't need Coniglio , Curnow , Kiddy & Milera then in all likelihood.

Very interesting

 

[Blue Dragons]

Question - what's the best way to view Petracca?

Averaged 111.4 with a disposal efficiency of 61.92% (549th out of 573) last year.

Do you say his scoring is somewhat capped because of his poor efficiency?
Or do you say if he can add 5% on that he's a 120 player?

 

[Herbie66]

Neale @ M1 ? Lipinski , Rowell , Berry , Constable (doubt he plays) + all the rookies.

Wouldn't need Coniglio , Curnow , Kiddy & Milera then in all likelihood.

Very interesting

Interesting indeed

Neale , Lipinski , Rowell , Berry + the popular 7 gives :-

Lloyd , Hall , Ridley , Whitfield , Sicily , Kiddy/Milera

Darcy , Big O

Dunkley , Duncan , Dusty , Heeney , Cogs , Curnow

Still not much better off though

10 premiums (keepers)

Sicily & Heeney , 6 mid pricers , 4 onfield rookies

Does the bench make enough $$$ to enable 7 premium mid upgrades + 3 others (probably not) ?

 

[wogitalia]

Question - what's the best way to view Petracca?

Averaged 111.4 with a disposal efficiency of 61.92% (549th out of 573) last year.

Do you say his scoring is somewhat capped because of his poor efficiency?
Or do you say if he can add 5% on that he's a 120 player?

Played out of position at FF for first half of the season, after he went back to prime midfield role he scored much better and his disposal got better as he got more of it in space or it seemed to at least.

Averaged 118.5 over the last 11 games. That spikes to 123 over 14 if you include finals.

I think he worked it out in the finals, it finally clicked just how good he actually is at this level and I think he's going to have a huge season.

So many options this year but I really like him for 120+ and don't think 130+ is beyond him, he's an absurd talent.

Having said that, there is definitely questions there on the against column also and he's also the kind who could just be like "I won a Norm Smith, won a flag, I'm cemented." type. I hope not though, too fun to watch to think he's peaked.

 

[Blue Dragons]

Played out of position at FF for first half of the season, after he went back to prime midfield role he scored much better and his disposal got better as he got more of it in space or it seemed to at least.

Averaged 118.5 over the last 11 games. That spikes to 123 over 14 if you include finals.

I think he worked it out in the finals, it finally clicked just how good he actually is at this level and I think he's going to have a huge season.

So many options this year but I really like him for 120+ and don't think 130+ is beyond him, he's an absurd talent.

Having said that, there is definitely questions there on the against column also and he's also the kind who could just be like "I won a Norm Smith, won a flag, I'm cemented." type. I hope not though, too fun to watch to think he's peaked.

I started him last year over Clarry which cost me 12 points a week but there were so many games I felt like he could've scored much higher if not for all the turnovers.

It might come down to him vs Clarry again for that spot.

 

[wogitalia]

I started him last year over Clarry which cost me 12 points a week but there were so many games I felt like he could've scored much higher if not for all the turnovers.

It might come down to him vs Clarry again for that spot.

I got lucky, I grabbed him after he'd wasted away up forward and got a guy averaging 120 odd for my side.

 

[OnTopBar]

I think I like him more than Rowell in the same price range but I can't say I'm in love with either for SC, just a huge jump that you're chasing.

Happy for them to demand selection though, those two at M2 and M3 could make for some very interesting structures

I'm finding it hard to get a handle on Lipinski's scoring potential, it looks like he'll be a 1st rotation inside mid which should lead to relatively high scoring with a high floor. Maybe a conservative average of 90-100 with 95 being the hope. If he made 120k then he's a good stepping stone to an uber mid.

The worry for me is how Fly intends to use him, from my limited knowledge of the Pies I haven't seen them play with much defensive pressure and Lipinski could be used as that defensive mid, much the same as Jack Graham or Steele early days. With MCrae coming over from the Tigers I can definitely see him implementing some of their style of play which does centre around putting pressure on the 1st receiver, maybe that's why Maynard is training with the mids for a bit too, he would be that 2nd rotation defensive mid.

 

[Herbie66]

I'm finding it hard to get a handle on Lipinski's scoring potential, it looks like he'll be a 1st rotation inside mid which should lead to relatively high scoring with a high floor. Maybe a conservative average of 90-100 with 95 being the hope. If he made 120k then he's a good stepping stone to an uber mid.

The worry for me is how Fly intends to use him, from my limited knowledge of the Pies I haven't seen them play with much defensive pressure and Lipinski could be used as that defensive mid, much the same as Jack Graham or Steele early days. With MCrae coming over from the Tigers I can definitely see him implementing some of their style of play which does centre around putting pressure on the 1st receiver, maybe that's why Maynard is training with the mids for a bit too, he would be that 2nd rotation defensive mid.

Interesting re Lipinski (always liked him as a player , no bearing on SC at all though)

Wasn't the knock on him always though that he lacked defensive pressure and 2 way running ?

Penny dropped for Lyons so maybe a new opportunity is all Lipinski needs to make it all work.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Played out of position at FF for first half of the season, after he went back to prime midfield role he scored much better and his disposal got better as he got more of it in space or it seemed to at least.

Averaged 118.5 over the last 11 games. That spikes to 123 over 14 if you include finals.

I think he worked it out in the finals, it finally clicked just how good he actually is at this level and I think he's going to have a huge season.

So many options this year but I really like him for 120+ and don't think 130+ is beyond him, he's an absurd talent.

Having said that, there is definitely questions there on the against column also and he's also the kind who could just be like "I won a Norm Smith, won a flag, I'm cemented." type. I hope not though, too fun to watch to think he's peaked.

I started him last year over Clarry which cost me 12 points a week but there were so many games I felt like he could've scored much higher if not for all the turnovers.

It might come down to him vs Clarry again for that spot.

I picked him up round 5 and found him a little frustrating. Had a patch of average scoring and surprisingly 2H of season he had a few low CBA games (2 games sub 70% CBA and he ave +130 vs GC/ADE). Would often be 80-90 at HT only to not kick on 2H during his quieter patch. A man of inconsistencies I would say where it is hard to correlate where he does better.

Notable his 173 came when he played 100% CBAs vs Port, top side game at the time. 1H of the season his poor scores were vs weaker sides, think there is a complacency to his game when his competitive juices may not kick in, that seem to change in 2H of the season yet then the better teams clamped more down on him (again, his correlations inversed 2H season).

I focus more on league games so whilst average are good, I tend to exclude outlier 173 and look at median games where he was more a 105 player. Prior seasons we have seen Brownlow winners be clamped down on the following season, will not surprise post GF effort if he doesn't see more attention which may benefit Olivier. Huge talent no doubt.

 

[Darkie]

Interesting re Lipinski (always liked him as a player , no bearing on SC at all though)

Wasn't the knock on him always though that he lacked defensive pressure and 2 way running ?

Penny dropped for Lyons so maybe a new opportunity is all Lipinski needs to make it all work.

I tend to agree with this @OnTopBar. I happen to have Lipinski in a keeper league, so have had some interest in his role, especially now that he’s landed at my AFL club.

I haven’t read anything indicating a defensive role. He and De Goey seem to have been rotating mid and forward, with Lipinski mainly mid. Comments I read a few months ago indicated he was the guy you wanted delivering the ball into the forward 50.

 

[OnTopBar]

Interesting re Lipinski (always liked him as a player , no bearing on SC at all though)

Wasn't the knock on him always though that he lacked defensive pressure and 2 way running ?

Penny dropped for Lyons so maybe a new opportunity is all Lipinski needs to make it all work.

I don't know anything much about him at all. I thought he was being played out of position at the Dogs hence the move to the Pies.

I'm pretty sure that Fly will be addressing the fact that the Pies, last year, were 15th for tackles and 17th for clearances.

 

[OnTopBar]

I tend to agree with this @OnTopBar. I happen to have Lipinski in a keeper league, so have had some interest in his role, especially now that he’s landed at my AFL club.

I haven’t read anything indicating a defensive role. He and De Goey seem to have been rotating mid and forward, with Lipinski mainly mid. Comments I read a few months ago indicated he was the guy you wanted delivering the ball into the forward 50.

It's hard to judge how a player is going from track watchers as they tend to focus on the result rather than the process. So they'll comment on the delivery that leads to a scoring opportunity but not how that player got into a position to deliver it, ie: did he apply pressure on the oppo mids leading him to being released on the outside.

 

[Ironhawk]

I don't know anything much about him at all. I thought he was being played out of position at the Dogs hence the move to the Pies.

I'm pretty sure that Fly will be addressing the fact that the Pies, last year, were 15th for tackles and 17th for clearances.

I am warming to Lipinski. I found from looking at players that moved clubs last year, a lot of those who got given a better role at the new club significantly profited. Sounds like he will be getting a lot more midfield time at the Pies than at the Dogs. Awkward price unfortunately.

 

[OnTopBar]

I am warming to Lipinski. I found from looking at players that moved clubs last year, a lot of those who got given a better role at the new club significantly profited. Sounds like he will be getting a lot more midfield time at the Pies than at the Dogs. Awkward price unfortunately.

Yeah, a few did (Markov, Hind) and a few didn't (J Martin, Zilliams, Treloar although probably got a worse role)

He's definitely a watch for me, will be interesting what he scores in the PS games and then whether he can maintain form over the 1st 8 or so rnds because I don't think he'd be a keeper, more of a stepping stone.

 

[Herbie66]

I don't know anything much about him at all. I thought he was being played out of position at the Dogs hence the move to the Pies.

I'm pretty sure that Fly will be addressing the fact that the Pies, last year, were 15th for tackles and 17th for clearances.

Might need to do some more reading.

Opposition mids starting sharking Grundy's hit outs 18 months so we need to develop something different there.

Always prided ourselves on our ability to harass , pressure , tackle and work for each other , get that back and we are a decent team , oh and park the egos in the shed.

 

[Herbie66]

I tend to agree with this @OnTopBar. I happen to have Lipinski in a keeper league, so have had some interest in his role, especially now that he’s landed at my AFL club.

I haven’t read anything indicating a defensive role. He and De Goey seem to have been rotating mid and forward, with Lipinski mainly mid. Comments I read a few months ago indicated he was the guy you wanted delivering the ball into the forward 50.

Surely we line up Crisp/Elliott , Lipinski & Tay Tay as the main 3.

Daicos/Pendles rotates with Crisp , JDG rotates with Elliott.

Certainly a great kick , need to find out more why he didn't deliver at the Dogs , seemed to get chances then dropped so something lacking from his game.

 

[wogitalia]

Surely we line up Crisp/Elliott , Lipinski & Tay Tay as the main 3.

Daicos/Pendles rotates with Crisp , JDG rotates with Elliott.

Certainly a great kick , need to find out more why he didn't deliver at the Dogs , seemed to get chances then dropped so something lacking from his game.

Nothing to do with him, he's just not Bont, Macrae or Libba on the inside and he's not Hunter/B. Smith/Treloar/Dale/Daniel on the outside and he's not much of a forward to try and stick around ahead of Mclean/Dunkley or the more specialised guys. Very similar situation to Josh Kennedy when he was at Hawthorn where he just got unlucky to be a couple of years younger than a sensational group of entrenched mids.

He's a great get for the Pies, should have a very decent impact. Taylor Adams perhaps an even better comparison given more recent than Kennedy where he wasn't in the GWS mix through the middle but has been very good since getting that chance for the Pies, health allowing.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I don't see Lipinski as a starting option for me, he's a great bail out option along with Rowell if I have some other issues with premium priced mids and/or need to free up cash elsewhere. I'd rather have the option to trade down then look for cash to move him up.

 

[warewolves]

Nothing to do with him, he's just not Bont, Macrae or Libba on the inside and he's not Hunter/B. Smith/Treloar/Dale/Daniel on the outside and he's not much of a forward to try and stick around ahead of Mclean/Dunkley or the more specialised guys. Very similar situation to Josh Kennedy when he was at Hawthorn where he just got unlucky to be a couple of years younger than a sensational group of entrenched mids.

He's a great get for the Pies, should have a very decent impact. Taylor Adams perhaps an even better comparison given more recent than Kennedy where he wasn't in the GWS mix through the middle but has been very good since getting that chance for the Pies, health allowing.

As a Dogs supporter I was completely miffed that he wasn’t an automatic pick in the best 22. As @wogitalia pointed out we do have loads of good mids in their prime, but there were still some fringe players running out most weeks that never showed anywhere near the potential of Lippa.
Hope he fires at Collingwood, but it will always rankle with me that he‘s not in the RWB