Discussion 2022: Rate My Team

[BigRuss]

Have enjoyed a nice long Tech break over the summer but couldnt make it into the Autumn months without a crack.

Dawson, Ridley, Whitfield, Sicily, Sinn 124k x 3

Macrae, Steele, Mitchell, Neale, Berry, JHF, Daicos, Ward, 124k x 3

Gawn, Grundy, Vinsentini

Dunkley, Butters, Heeney, Cogs, McGinness, 124k x 3

Seems to be a few auto picks this year.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Have enjoyed a nice long Tech break over the summer but could make it into the Autumn months without a crack.

Dawson, Ridley, Whitfield, Sicily, Sinn 124k x 3

Macrae, Steele, Mitchell, Whitfield, Berry, JHF, Daicos, Ward, 124k x 3

Gawn, Grundy, Vinsentini

Dunkley, Butters, Heeney, Cogs, McGinness, 124k x 3

Seems to be a few auto picks this year.

Welcome back!

Now, tell us which Port players we should pick and avoid

Obviously you're keen on Sinn and Butters so I'll keep them in there.

 

[BigRuss]

Welcome back!

Now, tell us which Port players we should pick and avoid

I got down to the hitout last week for a couple tins and a look. I’ll chuck up a little review of the relevant players when I get a couple of minutes later tonight.

Short version is pick Butters.

 

[Shannon]

I got down to the hitout last week for a couple tins and a look. I’ll chuck up a little review of the relevant players when I get a couple of minutes later tonight.

Short version is pick Butters.

 

[Connoisseur]

Like the team. I have Lloyd, Ridley and Whitfield in defence. I have Macrae, Petracca, Neale in the midfield, so a lot of shared thinking here.

Although I'm still struggling to see the appeal for Hewett? At that price he has to be a respectable keeper rather than a cash cow.

Has only averaged over 80 once in a career, entering his 7th season so we are not exactly expecting natural progression.

Sicily is only 40k more expensive.

But surely the logical move is to go Coleman > rookie and Hewett > Def premium? Alot of good defenders this year, I can't see anything less than 105 being acceptable from your D6.

Decided to sit by and enjoy the Houston and Duggan party over the past few seasons, so about time for me to join in. Recruited for a need, joining a weaker midfield group and the Walsh injury could allow high production over the first 4-6 weeks. Not overly interested as a season long hold but happy to keep if injuries, etc force it.

Above structure provides wiggle room when cheaper rookies are announced and the cash received will likely be used to turn Hewett into a Sicily/Short type.

 

[Herbie66]

Have enjoyed a nice long Tech break over the summer but couldnt make it into the Autumn months without a crack.

Dawson, Ridley, Whitfield, Sicily, Sinn 124k x 3

Macrae, Steele, Mitchell, Neale, Berry, JHF, Daicos, Ward, 124k x 3

Gawn, Grundy, Vinsentini

Dunkley, Butters, Heeney, Cogs, McGinness, 124k x 3

Seems to be a few auto picks this year.

Good to see you back 😀

Could almost use that as the template for a starting team/structure.

Now the agonising wait to see if we can run rookies at D5 , D6 , F5 & F6.

Look forward to your insights into the Port team.

 

[wogitalia]

Any suggestions welcome. Parish and Brayshaw are pods in the right age bracket, will pick up Macrae later on.
I don't want any low scoring rookies or players with questionable job security on the field or and I want players that are picked every week to compensate for losing players to covid.
It is a bit mid- pricey but that helps with depth this year.


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Like the PODs, think they're good ones if going that way.

Don't like the rookie price allocation, lot of serious longshots there at base prices can really mess with the structure. Especially the rucks where there is currently no alternative, no bailout and no security.

English can't cover for it either because no DPP and even if you had that, English is the worst coverage option as he'll only be able to cover in the event of injury serious enough that you know you need the cover, Dogs play before teams a couple of times, and at the start of the round for most so will have no knowledge where he's needed and may be long locked out at that point. I don't really like the pick anyway, if Martin stays fit he's overpriced so you're basically banking on him being injured (not unlikely) but that will be a trigger for all of us watching for that so you're just picking him at his weakest times to lose the POD if he were to come good.

Definitely a lot of durability concerns in the mix but think that will be common this year as we fish for value and squeeze in more 200k types because they look good.

 

[stephen]

Both; more to the point that you'll never know what will happen 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 weeks down the line with all of GWS, Preuss and Leon Cameron. I could easily envisage a scenario where over a 6 week period, GWS runs 3 different 1st rucks, runs a solo ruck and a tandem from week to week, and all of Preuss/Briggs/Flynn get dropped/injured in turn.

Agree they're rational fears, but are you really prepared to look past him if he plays as lone ruck in preseason games and looks a solid 80+? Feels to me like he still sits anywhere in that range between must-avoid and must-have.

 

[Eagling]

Agree they're rational fears, but are you really prepared to look past him if he plays as lone ruck in preseason games and looks a solid 80+? Feels to me like he still sits anywhere in that range between must-avoid and must-have.

Absolutely not; not only are you risking locking yourself into a backs-to-the wall strategy for probably the first 8-10 weeks of the season, you're also fading a chance at a potential 130 averaging player well underpriced. Sure, Gawn, Grundy and Darcy all have their concerns, but owning Preuss is going to be like running through a minefield with a blindfold on.

 

[wogitalia]

Absolutely not; not only are you risking locking yourself into a backs-to-the wall strategy for probably the first 8-10 weeks of the season, you're also fading a chance at a potential 130 averaging player well underpriced. Sure, Gawn, Grundy and Darcy all have their concerns, but owning Preuss is going to be like running through a minefield with a blindfold on.

I mean you don't have to put him on the field and I'd say I'd happily punt the 80k on him if he's the only playing ruck rookie for the chance to genuinely make 250k given that, right now, it looks like there wont be anyone else in the field to even choose from.

I'd say right now he's the best <210k rookie option in the game as far as scoring potential and cash generation goes. To just throw that out before there's even been an interclub match seems rash.

Closing doors this early is not a wise plan, especially on rookies.

 

[jel]

Scoring potential (expected averages)

Def: 105, 110, 100, 90, 60, 60 (525)
Mid: 125, 125, 110, 110, 105, 90, 75, 70 ( 910 + 125 extra for captain = 935)
Ruck: 120, 125 (245)
FWD: 110, 105, 90, 105, 75, 70 (565)

Total score: 2270

You've sold yourself short by 100 pts

 

[Eagling]

I mean you don't have to put him on the field and I'd say I'd happily punt the 80k on him if he's the only playing ruck rookie for the chance to genuinely make 250k given that, right now, it looks like there wont be anyone else in the field to even choose from.

I'd say right now he's the best <210k rookie option in the game as far as scoring potential and cash generation goes. To just throw that out before there's even been an interclub match seems rash.

Closing doors this early is not a wise plan, especially on rookies.

I can't afford to lock $80k on the bench and it would be exceedingly brave for anyone to do so.

 

[Socrates2]

Like the PODs, think they're good ones if going that way.

Don't like the rookie price allocation, lot of serious longshots there at base prices can really mess with the structure. Especially the rucks where there is currently no alternative, no bailout and no security.

English can't cover for it either because no DPP and even if you had that, English is the worst coverage option as he'll only be able to cover in the event of injury serious enough that you know you need the cover, Dogs play before teams a couple of times, and at the start of the round for most so will have no knowledge where he's needed and may be long locked out at that point. I don't really like the pick anyway, if Martin stays fit he's overpriced so you're basically banking on him being injured (not unlikely) but that will be a trigger for all of us watching for that so you're just picking him at his weakest times to lose the POD if he were to come good.

Definitely a lot of durability concerns in the mix but think that will be common this year as we fish for value and squeeze in more 200k types because they look good.

Thanks for the tips. What did you mean re Martin? I haven't picked him. Are you saying he's underpriced and should be picked?
Do you suggest players like Ward at their price would be better rookie options?

 

[OnTopBar]

Thanks for the tips. What did you mean re Martin? I haven't picked him. Are you saying he's underpriced and should be picked?
Do you suggest players like Ward at their price would be better rookie options?

I think he's saying that Stef Martin takes pts from English

 

[Socrates2]

I think he's saying that Stef Martin takes pts from English

Lol, cheers got it now!
English has scored 200 before so he is worth a punt imo even with old Stephan Martin playing as well.

 

[wogitalia]

I can't afford to lock $80k on the bench and it would be exceedingly brave for anyone to do so.

Literally handicapping yourself by refusing to consider a player at all, especially one that is probably going to be in 90% of teams if he's picked round 1. Your reward is a best case scenario that you've got an extra 80k in your starting team and a worst case that you're 250k+ worse off in team value with the added kicker that you've got no ruck cover should the rucks that you and others are starting get injured/suspended/covided and could also be a couple of hundred points or a trade down to make up for that.

I'm not saying pick him but to have ruled him out before a minute of preseason games is just foolish.

Thanks for the tips. What did you mean re Martin? I haven't picked him. Are you saying he's underpriced and should be picked?
Do you suggest players like Ward at their price would be better rookie options?

Lol, cheers got it now!
English has scored 200 before so he is worth a punt imo even with old Stephan Martin playing as well.

As mentioned, Stef Martin

And English hasn't got close to 200 as a backup ruck and forward which is his role as long as Stef is fit. I like English but if he's not the #1 ruck he's going to need to improve an awful lot as a forward.

If Stef Martin happens to get his injury before round 1, I'd actually strongly consider English so it's purely the serious role problem holding me back.

 

[Eagling]

Literally handicapping yourself by refusing to consider a player at all, especially one that is probably going to be in 90% of teams if he's picked round 1. Your reward is a best case scenario that you've got an extra 80k in your starting team and a worst case that you're 250k+ worse off in team value with the added kicker that you've got no ruck cover should the rucks that you and others are starting get injured/suspended/covided and could also be a couple of hundred points or a trade down to make up for that.

I'm not saying pick him but to have ruled him out before a minute of preseason games is just foolish.

That is a fair accusation to direct at me, the person who dismisses out of hand anyone who is or will be 30 or older during the Home & Away season, however in Preuss' case my negative opinion is based on careful consideration.

There is definitely a world where Preuss works spectacularly well; my belief however is not only is that extremely unlikely, there will be no indication in the preseason which will indicate that this is the world where it works. Maybe if Briggs and Flynn go down with LTIs, but I still wouldn't trust LC to not play Finlayson at R1, despite the fact he's contracted to Port Adelaide.

 

[Vicwood]

That is a fair accusation to direct at me, the person who dismisses out of hand anyone who is or will be 30 or older during the Home & Away season, however in Preuss' case my negative opinion is based on careful consideration.

There is definitely a world where Preuss works spectacularly well; my belief however is not only is that extremely unlikely, there will be no indication in the preseason which will indicate that this is the world where it works. Maybe if Briggs and Flynn go down with LTIs, but I still wouldn't trust LC to not play Finlayson at R1, despite the fact he's contracted to Port Adelaide.

On Preuss. Drafted in 2014 and has played 18 games for an average of 64+. I also don't know what all the excitement is about.

And everyone talks about Whitfield being an injury concern.

To my way of thinking, if Pruess jumps out of the blocks and plays first 2 rounds has an 80+ average without any hint of a niggle, you jump aboard.

 

[Zagbag]

I have a crippling sickness when it comes to picking mid-priced / rookie priced rucks - but I can still see the flaws in the Preuss pick. Am certainly struggling with it at the moment.

Hard to overstate how good Flynn was at times last year. The risk that they rotate can’t be ignored. Is that worth bypassing likely the most reliably scoring rookie we get?

Currently have Polec in the mids, will possibly flip him down to a rook and lob Preuss at R3 if he looks sole ruck

Unfortunately that strategy would also kill off taking Jackson at F3/4 for Insurance, which I’m mulling over

 

[Vicwood]

I have a crippling sickness when it comes to picking mid-priced / rookie priced rucks - but I can still see the flaws in the Preuss pick. Am certainly struggling with it at the moment.

Hard to overstate how good Flynn was at times last year. The risk that they rotate can’t be ignored. Is that worth bypassing likely the most reliably scoring rookie we get?

Currently have Polec in the mids, will possibly flip him down to a rook and lob Preuss at R3 if he looks sole ruck

Unfortunately that strategy would also kill off taking Jackson at F3/4 for Insurance, which I’m mulling over

Polec, has looked good in the inter club trials. If he lines up on the wing for pre season and performs, he becomes a serious consideration over JFH at M6. Only 40k more and proven 80+