Discussion 2022: Rate My Team

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Pretty settled with most picks, hoping the rookies come through. Premiums most under threat are Short, Whifield, Treloar, Dusty. Welcome any thoughts.

Ideally we get a couple more quality forward rookies so I can sacrifise Treloar/Dusty for Stewart, the2 of them are only there to maintain team structure and minimize forward rookies

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Pretty settled with most picks, hoping the rookies come through. Premiums most under threat are Short, Whifield, Treloar, Dusty. Welcome any thoughts.

Ideally we get a couple more quality forward rookies so I can sacrifise Treloar/Dusty for Stewart, the2 of them are only there to maintain team structure and minimize forward rookies

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Very good team, one of the best I have seen tbh

Reason for no Macrae? Great VC choice with 6 Thurs/ Fri games in the first 9 rounds.
Love the Brayshaw pick, very tempted by him, looked unreal v a poor wce midfield.
 
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Pretty settled with most picks, hoping the rookies come through. Premiums most under threat are Short, Whifield, Treloar, Dusty. Welcome any thoughts.

Ideally we get a couple more quality forward rookies so I can sacrifise Treloar/Dusty for Stewart, the2 of them are only there to maintain team structure and minimize forward rookies

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Very interesting to see a 3 rookie onfield backline team , I guess time will tell if it is viable or not.
 
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Very interesting to see a 3 rookie onfield backline team , I guess time will tell if it is viable or not.
Definitely an all or nothing approach, Dean I think could be a problem scoring wise and the other two are text book all or nothing picks, if they stick the team will be huge but they're not playing if they don't and getting out of that can be hard!

Like the team though, it's a strong one.
 
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Wasn't sure where to post this. Interesting interview with the guy who finished top 10 in SC back to back.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9xbWuo5dVs
I will listen with interest but in the back of mind is that the last two seasons "IMO" were compromised in SC Fantasy land ...

- 2020 had shorter quarters and if you missed the MEL v ESS game carnage got a huge leap forward ... I didn't unfortunately ...
- 2021 had an extra 2 trades handed out mid season which really benefited those that had traded hard early ... I didn't unfortunately and got left behind in the upgrade race ...

No rants here ... what happened has happened but in both years IMO it wasn't a level playing field ...
 
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Fiddled about a fair bit since first draft now sitting with something like this

Lloyd
Crisp
Dawson
Milera
Sinn
Dean
(O’driscoll, SDK)

Macrae
Steele
Parish
Neale
Caldwell
JHF
Daicos
D.Stephens
(C.Stephens, Soligo, Tsitas)

Darcy
Grundy
(Hayes)

Dunkley
De Goey
Butters
Cognilio
Rachele
Macgennis
(Hollands,Skinner)

Defence is sorted as I think all rookies are a pretty good shot to play R1.

Midfield similar although not sure about bench rookies, 90k for bench changes before R1.

Rucks set.

F6 and bench has been a struggle. Will look for a 102k rookie as F8 and will try to upgrade other bench spot.
 
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Very good team, one of the best I have seen tbh

Reason for no Macrae? Great VC choice with 6 Thurs/ Fri games in the first 9 rounds.
Love the Brayshaw pick, very tempted by him, looked unreal v a poor wce midfield.
Thanks guys, I agree 3 rookie defence line is a risk, but ultimately I think with the majority of our quality rookies being D/M, it doesn't matter as much whether I have them in defence or in the midfield. Tnso maintain this 3 rookie defence structure, I'll just move all the D/Ms to defence. The forward line obviously is a different topic.

Regarding Macrae, for all players I categorise them into 5 tiers (Tier 5 = Prioritised locks regardless of structure, Tier 4 = Round 1 candidates assuming structure/bye rounds are not too negative, Tier 3 = Neutral selections with limited to no upside, only picked due to other factors (DPP, captaincy, rucks).

For me, Macrae sits firmly in Tier 3 right now. While he appeals as a captaincy option which makes him eligible for selection, I have ultimately chosen Steele to fulfil that role with his incredible early draw, with Neale/Grundy/Gawn/Petracca to support.

There are a couple of minor reasons which actually makes Macrae sit towards the bottom of Tier 3:

  • He is priced to his historical peak (128.6) - Full-time inside midfield role across the 22 rounds with CBAs maxed out in a grand final year. Never been tagged, never had to play a lesser role, never got injured (he is durable, but it's not like he has played all games every year - 2016, 2018). Yes it's possible this perfect scoring environment is replicated in 2022, but IMO the best case scenario is that Macrae breaks even from last year.
  • Midfield trend - The starting trio of Bont, Macrae, Libba (with Dunkley and Treloar as support) was highly effective in the earlier half of 2021, but this combination definitely started to fall apart later on. We saw them getting comprehensively beaten by Essendon (who had one of the weakest and thinnest midfields in the comp last year) and against other bottom 8 teams Bulldogs' midfield also struggled to convert their dominance. Bevo acknowledges this, and in the grand final where stakes were the greatest, he moved Macrae out of the primary midfield set up in favour of Treloar, leaving Macrae with only 56% CBA compared to the earlier 75 - 85%. Bevo knows something needs to change with their midfield, which is why we are seeing Bont play more forward, Dunkley/Treloar play more midfield in the preseason. Look it's possible that Macrae once again gets the lion share of the midfield minutes but anything could happen, even if it's just trialling/resting Macrae on wing/half forward at certain parts of the season, and even a 5-10% decrease in CBA will hurt Macrae's scoring significantly
To be continued - going to brunch and getting some coffee to wake up
 
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Thanks guys, I agree 3 rookie defence line is a risk, but ultimately I think with the majority of our quality rookies being D/M, it doesn't matter as much whether I have them in defence or in the midfield. Tnso maintain this 3 rookie defence structure, I'll just move all the D/Ms to defence. The forward line obviously is a different topic.

Regarding Macrae, for all players I categorise them into 5 tiers (Tier 5 = Prioritised locks regardless of structure, Tier 4 = Round 1 candidates assuming structure/bye rounds are not too negative, Tier 3 = Neutral selections with limited to no upside, only picked due to other factors (DPP, captaincy, rucks).

For me, Macrae sits firmly in Tier 3 right now. While he appeals as a captaincy option which makes him eligible for selection, I have ultimately chosen Steele to fulfil that role with his incredible early draw, with Neale/Grundy/Gawn/Petracca to support.

There are a couple of minor reasons which actually makes Macrae sit towards the bottom of Tier 3:

  • He is priced to his historical peak (128.6) - Full-time inside midfield role across the 22 rounds with CBAs maxed out in a grand final year. Never been tagged, never had to play a lesser role, never got injured (he is durable, but it's not like he has played all games every year - 2016, 2018). Yes it's possible this perfect scoring environment is replicated in 2022, but IMO the best case scenario is that Macrae breaks even from last year.
  • Midfield trend - The starting trio of Bont, Macrae, Libba (with Dunkley and Treloar as support) was highly effective in the earlier half of 2021, but this combination definitely started to fall apart later on. We saw them getting comprehensively beaten by Essendon (who had one of the weakest and thinnest midfields in the comp last year) and against other bottom 8 teams Bulldogs' midfield also struggled to convert their dominance. Bevo acknowledges this, and in the grand final where stakes were the greatest, he moved Macrae out of the primary midfield set up in favour of Treloar, leaving Macrae with only 56% CBA compared to the earlier 75 - 85%. Bevo knows something needs to change with their midfield, which is why we are seeing Bont play more forward, Dunkley/Treloar play more midfield in the preseason. Look it's possible that Macrae once again gets the lion share of the midfield minutes but anything could happen, even if it's just trialling/resting Macrae on wing/half forward at certain parts of the season, and even a 5-10% decrease in CBA will hurt Macrae's scoring significantly
To be continued - going to brunch and getting some coffee to wake up
Good post but Dogs got into the GF last year with Macrae as a ball pig, doubt things change personally.
 
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Fiddled about a fair bit since first draft now sitting with something like this

Lloyd
Crisp
Dawson
Milera
Sinn
Dean
(O’driscoll, SDK)

Macrae
Steele
Parish
Neale
Caldwell
JHF
Daicos
D.Stephens
(C.Stephens, Soligo, Tsitas)

Darcy
Grundy
(Hayes)

Dunkley
De Goey
Butters
Cognilio
Rachele
Macgennis
(Hollands,Skinner)

Defence is sorted as I think all rookies are a pretty good shot to play R1.

Midfield similar although not sure about bench rookies, 90k for bench changes before R1.

Rucks set.

F6 and bench has been a struggle. Will look for a 102k rookie as F8 and will try to upgrade other bench spot.
I like it, a similar structure to where I currently sit atm - I'm nervous on rookies - I'm nervous on fading Sicily but I need to be realistic that I'll need to fade someone and he's taken the hit so far.

I'm not sold on Milera, sounds like a headache I don't need early and I've gone with Gawn over Darcy.

My backline playing rookies are a worry

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After watching most of the games this week, yet another re-hash of my squad.


Ridley, Short, Whitfield, Sicily, P McCartin, Kemp. (Kelly, Dean.)

Macrae, Oliver, Neale, Serong, Lipinski, Berry, Davies, Daicos. (O'Driscoll, Smith, Tsitas.)

Darcy, Grundy. (Comben.)

Dunkley, Heeney, Butters, Coniglio, Curnow, Hollands. (De Koning, Wanganeen.*)


Heading out of my comfort zone with the light midfield and Davies over JHF could be a risk.
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After watching most of the games this week, yet another re-hash of my squad.


Ridley, Short, Whitfield, Sicily, P McCartin, Kemp. (Kelly, Dean.)

Macrae, Oliver, Neale, Serong, Lipinski, Berry, Davies, Daicos. (O'Driscoll, Smith, Tsitas.)

Darcy, Grundy. (Comben.)

Dunkley, Heeney, Butters, Coniglio, Curnow, Hollands. (De Koning, Wanganeen.*)


Heading out of my comfort zone with the light midfield and Davies over JHF could be a risk.
9.4k remaining.
My worry would be the money spent on Serong, Lipinski and Berry - not sure any will be close to top 8 midfielders, I've got no doubt one will be a value pick but which one. Berry at his price point makes him an easier selection for me but nice team.
 
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Thanks guys, I agree 3 rookie defence line is a risk, but ultimately I think with the majority of our quality rookies being D/M, it doesn't matter as much whether I have them in defence or in the midfield. Tnso maintain this 3 rookie defence structure, I'll just move all the D/Ms to defence. The forward line obviously is a different topic.

Regarding Macrae, for all players I categorise them into 5 tiers (Tier 5 = Prioritised locks regardless of structure, Tier 4 = Round 1 candidates assuming structure/bye rounds are not too negative, Tier 3 = Neutral selections with limited to no upside, only picked due to other factors (DPP, captaincy, rucks).

For me, Macrae sits firmly in Tier 3 right now. While he appeals as a captaincy option which makes him eligible for selection, I have ultimately chosen Steele to fulfil that role with his incredible early draw, with Neale/Grundy/Gawn/Petracca to support.

There are a couple of minor reasons which actually makes Macrae sit towards the bottom of Tier 3:

  • He is priced to his historical peak (128.6) - Full-time inside midfield role across the 22 rounds with CBAs maxed out in a grand final year. Never been tagged, never had to play a lesser role, never got injured (he is durable, but it's not like he has played all games every year - 2016, 2018). Yes it's possible this perfect scoring environment is replicated in 2022, but IMO the best case scenario is that Macrae breaks even from last year.
  • Midfield trend - The starting trio of Bont, Macrae, Libba (with Dunkley and Treloar as support) was highly effective in the earlier half of 2021, but this combination definitely started to fall apart later on. We saw them getting comprehensively beaten by Essendon (who had one of the weakest and thinnest midfields in the comp last year) and against other bottom 8 teams Bulldogs' midfield also struggled to convert their dominance. Bevo acknowledges this, and in the grand final where stakes were the greatest, he moved Macrae out of the primary midfield set up in favour of Treloar, leaving Macrae with only 56% CBA compared to the earlier 75 - 85%. Bevo knows something needs to change with their midfield, which is why we are seeing Bont play more forward, Dunkley/Treloar play more midfield in the preseason. Look it's possible that Macrae once again gets the lion share of the midfield minutes but anything could happen, even if it's just trialling/resting Macrae on wing/half forward at certain parts of the season, and even a 5-10% decrease in CBA will hurt Macrae's scoring significantly
To be continued - going to brunch and getting some coffee to wake up
The reality is that without serious sacrifices elsewhere I don't think anyone is starting more than maybe 3 of this group, so realistically you're going to have to try and trade in 2 or 3 of them during the season.

The analysis here is spot on. Honestly for me the best reason to pick Macrae feels like the captaincy factor, which is notable but not really a huge foundation.

Basically though we're picking between the Ferrari, Lamborghini and the Bentley with this group. Barring any of them jumping into the 135+ range, they'll all cost the same or less in round 8.

I do think you've nailed that Macrae probably has the most risk factors to his scoring of the top 4 guys though.

Oliver/Steele - Clearly their #1 midfielder and there is no real competition, they're also very "role specific" guys, you're not going to start using them as a winger or anything.

Touk - The unknown here is backing it up but has been slowly building towards last year and is a notoriously good trainer. There is a tag question but I don't think most expect the Suns to really need tagging jobs done on them. He's more like Macrae in that he scores in multiple ways.

Macrae - Can play wing or HF so others can play mid, they've got a ridiculous amount of midfield options. He's also reaching the absurdly long stay at the top range for those players that have been able to score 120+. I'm pretty sure Ablett was the only player I could dig up to do it for 5 or more years (ridiculously he did it for 7).
 
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Chesser injured his ankle in their practice game, looked pretty bad. Doesn't look like we're going to be getting Erasmus and Hollands either.
Thanks, Saw the footage on Chesser, didn’t look great, but, still think it wasn't too bad. Hopefully he can get up in a depleted line-up. Erasmus we may see after a few rounds, just a placeholder for now. Hollands played VFL/NEAFL so again a wait and see whether he can get a game firstly, so many unknowns. I'm not sold on MacDonald or Stephens yet either. 🙄
 
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Thanks, Saw the footage on Chesser, didn’t look great, but, still think it wasn't too bad. Hopefully he can get up in a depleted line-up. Erasmus we may see after a few rounds, just a placeholder for now. Hollands played VFL/NEAFL so again a wait and see whether he can get a game firstly, so many unknowns. I'm not sold on MacDonald or Stephens yet either. 🙄
Was just tinkering and I have to say, I struggled to find rookies that I like :LOL:

Have put Touk in for the first time though, that feels nice.
 
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