Position 2022: Ruck Discussion

[Professor]

Brownlow Medallist ruckman.

Been saying for years , don't need to contest the centre bounce , just concede the tap and use the "extra" player to your advantage.

Bevo will try again with Dunkley. 😁

 

[Herbie66]

Bevo will try again with Dunkley. 😁

Smart coach , creates the extra mid around the ball/stoppages.

Would be playing English as a winger personally similar to Richo , kill him in the ruck prematurely or use his skills more effectively at ground level

 

[McLovin]

Goodes really was a once in a generation player, had the leap and body strength to actually genuinely compete in the ruck contest then moved like a midfielder at ground level, truely special player and deserves alot more respect than he ever got.

Jared Brennan probably had the talent to be something similar, but he was also Jared Brennan.

 

[pizza safety]

@pizza safety You are not keen on Gawn, Darcy or Marshall, I am curious why you are not considering O. McInnerney?

I am not keen on them in the sense I don't want to pick one but I believe I'll be forced to, I mean to say I have doubts with all of them. Now that Curnow is not playing in the practice game I'm not going to be starting him, and that may well free up enough money for me to go Gawn over Marshall, but I still feel like Marshall offers more value and I'm a bit torn. It's between those two for me.

 

[pizza safety]

Big O is an interesting one, I think he's a little bit more risky than I want in the ruck spot, I feel a lot more confident in Marshall's floor as long as he stays fit. Definitely could work out though, is Fort going to play with him at all? Because that would cause problems for the pick.

 

[wogitalia]

I am not keen on them in the sense I don't want to pick one but I believe I'll be forced to, I mean to say I have doubts with all of them. Now that Curnow is not playing in the practice game I'm not going to be starting him, and that may well free up enough money for me to go Gawn over Marshall, but I still feel like Marshall offers more value and I'm a bit torn. It's between those two for me.

Bloody Curnow!!! Now that I have the reason to not pick him, I start to feel like he'll be the one who gets away

That second ruck premium just feels difficult this year, I just am struggling to find a FOR column that isn't staggeringly outweighed by the AGAINST.

The fact that Gawn has been so steadily in my side when I think he presents negative value and I chase value like it's going out of fashion, should say it all!

Maybe someone will put their hand up this weekend!

 

[Bermi]

Big O is an interesting one, I think he's a little bit more risky than I want in the ruck spot, I feel a lot more confident in Marshall's floor as long as he stays fit. Definitely could work out though, is Fort going to play with him at all? Because that would cause problems for the pick.

..........That second ruck premium just feels difficult this year, I just am struggling to find a FOR column that isn't staggeringly outweighed by the AGAINST.
The fact that Gawn has been so steadily in my side when I think he presents negative value and I chase value like it's going out of fashion, should say it all!..........

Oscar McInerney has less risk than Marshall.
The risk that is facing McInerney is the unkown risk of Fort affecting his SC scoring. Besides this unknown risk, I can't see another risk to McInerney. Marshall has the injury risk and Ryder.

The extremes with Fort is, he doesn't play at all, or he takes 50% of McInerney's ruck work. I think it is somewhere in between, with McInerney doing the majority of the ruck work. McInerney proved, end of last year, that he could ruck for most of the game alone, but that is not sustainable for the long run, so he needs to be managed and that is where Fort comes in.

Looking at scores after the Byes, McInerney had a slightly better floor than Marshall.

When it comes to fitness and staying on the park, McInernery is well ahead.

Even value wise, McInerney is $27k cheaper.

I just feel that I am missing something, as to why McInerney is not more popular with the SuperCoaches.

 

[Herbie66]

Oscar McInerney has less risk than Marshall.
The risk that is facing McInerney is the unkown risk of Fort affecting his SC scoring. Besides this unknown risk, I can't see another risk to McInerney. Marshall has the injury risk and Ryder.

The extremes with Fort is, he doesn't play at all, or he takes 50% of McInerney's ruck work. I think it is somewhere in between, with McInerney doing the majority of the ruck work. McInerney proved, end of last year, that he could ruck for most of the game alone, but that is not sustainable for the long run, so he needs to be managed and that is where Fort comes in.

Looking at scores after the Byes, McInerney had a slightly better floor than Marshall.

When it comes to fitness and staying on the park, McInernery is well ahead.

Even value wise, McInerney is $27k cheaper.

I just feel that I am missing something, as to why McInerney is not more popular with the SuperCoaches.

Might be as simple as he is just not enough of a "marquee" name on here for many.

I would imagine Fort plays whilst Hipwood is out so just a matter of how much that limits the Big O's ruck time.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Oscar McInerney has less risk than Marshall.
The risk that is facing McInerney is the unkown risk of Fort affecting his SC scoring. Besides this unknown risk, I can't see another risk to McInerney. Marshall has the injury risk and Ryder.

The extremes with Fort is, he doesn't play at all, or he takes 50% of McInerney's ruck work. I think it is somewhere in between, with McInerney doing the majority of the ruck work. McInerney proved, end of last year, that he could ruck for most of the game alone, but that is not sustainable for the long run, so he needs to be managed and that is where Fort comes in.

Looking at scores after the Byes, McInerney had a slightly better floor than Marshall.

When it comes to fitness and staying on the park, McInernery is well ahead.

Even value wise, McInerney is $27k cheaper.

I just feel that I am missing something, as to why McInerney is not more popular with the SuperCoaches.

Id argue McInerney is more risky personally and is probably why he's lower ownership, least Marshall has shown he can still score at premium levels as a dual Ruck, if Brisbane go with the 2 Rucks OMac could be anything really.

 

[Bermi]

Might be as simple as he is just not enough of a "marquee" name on here for many.
I would imagine Fort plays whilst Hipwood is out so just a matter of how much that limits the Big O's ruck time.

Id argue McInerney is more risky personally and is probably why he's lower ownership, least Marshall has shown he can still score at premium levels as a dual Ruck, if Brisbane go with the 2 Rucks OMac could be anything really.

So, I guess it is mainly the unknown factor, how much time will Fort ruck and will it restrict McInerney's scoring, that is keeping McInerney low on Team lists.

McInerney's last 7 games, he averaged 117 playing against top Ruckmen (MEL, WCE, COL). From 3 years ago, he played 19, 17 and 21 games.
Marshall's last 7 games, he averaged 114 playing against only one top Ruckman (COL). From 3 years ago, he played 20, 17 and 13 games.

I can't see any reason why McInerney is not Brisbane's prime ruckman and Fort only being there to replace McInerney when he is managed during a game. Fullerton was not performing well enough last year, so they had to get a replacement and Fort is it.

 

[dlanod]

Brownlow Medallist ruckman.

Been saying for years , don't need to contest the centre bounce , just concede the tap and use the "extra" player to your advantage.

Daniher avoided contesting the bounce many times last year when he was our backup ruck.

Unfortunately he then tended to get in the way of our midfielders after the tap and failed to track players like Gawn, etc, as they ran forward.

So mixed (bad) results there.

 

[dlanod]

Jared Brennan probably had the talent to be something similar, but he was also Jared Brennan.

Brennan was Kyrgios without the loud mouth - fantastically talented but just did not care about the actual game. And I loved watching him play anyway.

 

[freowho]

Oscar McInerney has less risk than Marshall.
The risk that is facing McInerney is the unkown risk of Fort affecting his SC scoring. Besides this unknown risk, I can't see another risk to McInerney. Marshall has the injury risk and Ryder.

The extremes with Fort is, he doesn't play at all, or he takes 50% of McInerney's ruck work. I think it is somewhere in between, with McInerney doing the majority of the ruck work. McInerney proved, end of last year, that he could ruck for most of the game alone, but that is not sustainable for the long run, so he needs to be managed and that is where Fort comes in.

Looking at scores after the Byes, McInerney had a slightly better floor than Marshall.

When it comes to fitness and staying on the park, McInernery is well ahead.

Even value wise, McInerney is $27k cheaper.

I just feel that I am missing something, as to why McInerney is not more popular with the SuperCoaches.

The out for Marshall is if Ryder plays he probably gets forward status.
McInerney would be unlikely even if Fort plays leaving you stuck with an underperforming R2.
Marshall is still a gamble but less of one.

 

[baz_machine]

That second ruck premium just feels difficult this year, I just am struggling to find a FOR column that isn't staggeringly outweighed by the AGAINST.

It's like voting. You don't particular like any of the options, so you end up going picking the lesser of bad options.
Gawn at least has had a full preseason, playing in a dominate side and a defined roll. The only down side is a young ruck taking TOG% off him.
That downside risk is less risky than Darcy / Marshall getting injured or Big O having the same TOG% problems with Fort.

 

[Shaunpro1]

So, I guess it is mainly the unknown factor, how much time will Fort ruck and will it restrict McInerney's scoring, that is keeping McInerney low on Team lists.

McInerney's last 7 games, he averaged 117 playing against top Ruckmen (MEL, WCE, COL). From 3 years ago, he played 19, 17 and 21 games.
Marshall's last 7 games, he averaged 114 playing against only one top Ruckman (COL). From 3 years ago, he played 20, 17 and 13 games.

I can't see any reason why McInerney is not Brisbane's prime ruckman and Fort only being there to replace McInerney when he is managed during a game. Fullerton was not performing well enough last year, so they had to get a replacement and Fort is it.

Ive seen plenty of Fort and hes never looked much better than useless as a forward but is actually a pretty decent Ruckman, if hes playing OMac being the better option to use in the forward line seriously worries me.

 

[McLovin]

Brennan was Kyrgios without the loud mouth - fantastically talented but just did not care about the actual game. And I loved watching him play anyway.

He did incredibly well to play 173 games in such a professional era without ever seeming to put in much effort. Probably the only player I can think of who was capable of being the best or worst player on the ground in any position.

 

[Bermi]

The out for Marshall is if Ryder plays he probably gets forward status.
McInerney would be unlikely even if Fort plays leaving you stuck with an underperforming R2.
Marshall is still a gamble but less of one.

The forward status for Marshall is an unknown, not sure what criteria they are going to use to decide who gets forward status. Also, unknown is if Ryder will play enough games for Marshall to qualify.

I can't see McInerney underperforming enough so not to be able to upgrade him later, if need be, to another ruckman.

One of Marshall's concerns is that he has a history of missing games.

 

[Herbie66]

Daniher avoided contesting the bounce many times last year when he was our backup ruck.

Unfortunately he then tended to get in the way of our midfielders after the tap and failed to track players like Gawn, etc, as they ran forward.

So mixed (bad) results there.

More thinking of using a extra mid at the CBA rather than a fill in ruck.

 

[Bermi]

Ive seen plenty of Fort and hes never looked much better than useless as a forward but is actually a pretty decent Ruckman, if hes playing OMac being the better option to use in the forward line seriously worries me.

Agree, that is another unknown concern for me, not sure if Fort is good enough to play forward. Surely he would be better than Fullerton.
Hoping to get some answers from the practice matches.

 

[The Night Manager]

The forward status for Marshall is an unknown, not sure what criteria they are going to use to decide who gets forward status. Also, unknown is if Ryder will play enough games for Marshall to qualify.

I can't see McInerney underperforming enough so not to be able to upgrade him later, if need be, to another ruckman.

One of Marshall's concerns is that he has a history of missing games.

I would think it would be the same criteria as allocating DP at the start of a season. 35%+ time spent in the forward line over the first 6 rounds.