Strategy 2022: Round 3 Trades

[GrainFedBeef]

So it's sort of a variation on tagger, without completely sacrificing his own game.

Exactly. Not sure if the term varies too much from a run with player or similar to that term that has been around for a while. All these coaches were sick of answering why dont you tag Neale, when Bucks and others would come back with structure.

so rather than say we had a run with player they say they had a cooler - I think. Dimma said they did the same to Cripps with no effect.

Looking at Hewett, think when he scored 60-75 at Sydney that was more a tagging role, whereas maybe he is a 90-100 player if he is just playing part defensively, 110-120 if more normal and 120-135 if one of the 5 players are missing. just a guess.

 

[kadog]

Contemplating these trades to bolster up some more cash gen and decent scores on field.

OUT: Dusty Owens Turdin
IN: Bowey(D4) Caldwell(M6) Brodie(F4)

Each of these players have bolstered their SC friendly roles over the next 4-6 weeks with key outs. Bowey/Salem, Caldwell/Zerrett & Brodie/Fyfe. Enough time to capitalize on some excellent $$ potential for important upgrades. Not particularly keen on using a boost this early but cash gen is key right now.

Other thought is Dusty>Cripps and one of Bowey/Brodie. Thoughts?

 

[Herbie66]

Exactly. Not sure if the term varies too much from a run with player or similar to that term that has been around for a while. All these coaches were sick of answering why dont you tag Neale, when Bucks and others would come back with structure.

so rather than say we had a run with player they say they had a cooler - I think. Dimma said they did the same to Cripps with no effect.

Looking at Hewett, think when he scored 60-75 at Sydney that was more a tagging role, whereas maybe he is a 90-100 player if he is just playing part defensively, 110-120 if more normal and 120-135 if one of the 5 players are missing. just a guess.

Interesting insights , don't watch too many of the football shows these days , are they still using players to "babysit someone at the stoppages" , remember Pendles used to do that often then once the clearance occured go back to his normal game.

Or they may have evolved the "negating" tactics at stoppages again , a few games I have seen they are using the winger in the "spare" space as cover defensively.

Be actually good if the commentators actually explained some of the tactics used at CBA & stoppages more , Tim Watson actually gives some great insights on how teams setup defensively.

 

[AngryAnt]

Contemplating these trades to bolster up some more cash gen and decent scores on field.

OUT: Dusty Owens Turdin
IN: Bowey(D4) Caldwell(M6) Brodie(F4)

Each of these players have bolstered their SC friendly roles over the next 4-6 weeks with key outs. Bowey/Salem, Caldwell/Zerrett & Brodie/Fyfe. Enough time to capitalize on some excellent $$ potential for important upgrades. Not particularly keen on using a boost this early but cash gen is key right now.

Other thought is Dusty>Cripps and one of Bowey/Brodie. Thoughts?

Id' be trying to get Cripps in over adding three mid-pricers, you're going down a premo otherwise (even though you do upgrade a dodgy rookie in Owens).

 

[Meltingpot38]

Think I'll give Gawn one more chance against the bombers this Friday night, he could go large, with it being more a luxury trade and rookie corrections more important at this stage.

 

[Shaunpro1]

I feel like projections of Bowey going 85 are a bit extreme personally, he has only played 9 games of senior footy after all, is versatile so Goodwin could change his role on a week to week basis and Lever back will have a big impact on his ability to intercept and immediately rebound like he did on the weekend.

 

[jobeywatto]

Is Berry > Xerri worth it?

Xerri is must have obviously, and Berry hasn't started great, but ideally I'd like to have both. Would need to find 50k to turn Owens > Xerri which would mean downgrading an underperforming premium which seems like even more of a waste.

 

[Courtesans]

I will probably chicken out. Need to stay away from the red wine on Thursday evening before kick off.

 

[freowho]

So this is where I'm at, not the best start to the year so think I need to be agressive with trades to make up some ground.

Pre any trades $227,300 ITB:

Short, Ridley, Whitfield, Chapman, Hinge, McCartin (Gibcus, SDK)
Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Jelly, Rowell, JHF, Dacios, Stephens (Ward, Macdonald, Owens)
Gawn, Grundy (Benning)
Dunkley, Butters, Coniglio, Brodie, Xerri, Rachele (McGovern, Durdin)

Structure wise I think its OK, but aside from not having Heeney, the major bleading is coming from D3 and D4, so I'm considering:

McGovern -> Hayes
Chapman -> Ryan
Whitfeild -> Hall

To a degree I have more confidence in Gawn return returning to decent numbers than I do Whitfield.

Hayes is the key to this plan, but Ryder is the risk as I'm not sure how much longer Hayes will last once Ryder is back. I should have just started Hayes in the first place then I would have not been placed in this situation...

Thoughts/Alternatives?

Ryan and Hall are fully priced and injury prone. No need to bring them in right now. I'd be taking this opportunity to bring in a good cash cow or a heavily underpriced possible keeper.

 

[Chumpion]

Team is in good shape coming of a ~2600 score but as well all know.. SC waits for no one! Not entirely sure of the best moves this week.. plenty of players I'd like but no real obvious trade out candidates or pathways to bring them in.

Few things I'm weighing up..

1. Berry/McGovern to Hewett/Martin
Neither Berry or McGovern are bad picks yet.. while they haven't set the world on fire I see both working and generating cash, they are just the weakest players than have tradable value. Hewett looks great and has definitely elevated my expectations of him as a potential D5/D6 keeper. But while he looks great, I only have 2 backline spots to fill and 1 will need to be Hall, so do I risk committing to Hewett as my "value" pick this early and is it essential to get that value pick now. Last year we got May and Daniel at ~$400k that would likely have similar outputs and I'm sure others will pop up.. but god does the value feel good and take the element of timing out of the mix (nothing worse than a value pick presenting at the worst moment, although TBoosts help with that). Martin would be a week early but role and scoring upside look good so comfortable with that risk.

2. No trades
Don't love it as trading for this week is critical usually and my team by no means has the best. But forcing a trade is also risky and with no clear options standing out it might be better to wait a week and see what unfolds with an extra week of data.

3. Owens to Martin
This smacks of trading for the sake of trading.. frees up negligible cash and doesn't really solve any pressing issues. If nothing else, Owens is a useful late round loop if he isn't playing/sub risk.. and if he pops up again at least I don't have to look at his 2 point average (surely..).

Now we get to the more out there, "bold" (aka, stupid...) move..

4. Dunkley to Heeney/De Goey
On current evidence I'm not sure Dunkley will average more than either of the two ins, and certainly not significantly. Frees up $100k to potentially do a Berry to Rowell type trade.. but the reality is Dunkley will easily be a top 6 forward while fit, and so trading him now is ludicrous and no guarantee to actually net more points.

Safe to say I won't do option 4.. but split over the first 3 options. probably ever so slightly leaning towards option 1.. but team selection will probably play a large part in which way I ultimate go.

 

[Deeman1]

Ryan and Hall are fully priced and injury prone. No need to bring them in right now. I'd be taking this opportunity to bring in a good cash cow or a heavily underpriced possible keeper.

So Hayes and Bowey are the best two cash cows this week, not sure Bowey is worth the 2 trades (one to get him in and out) I assume you would be refering to Hewett and Heeney

 

[Montyjnr]

I feel like projections of Bowey going 85 are a bit extreme personally, he has only played 9 games of senior footy after all, is versatile so Goodwin could change his role on a week to week basis and Lever back will have a big impact on his ability to intercept and immediately rebound like he did on the weekend.

Callum Twomey tweeted this morning that Lever & Hibberd will miss another week at least. Salem is also out for awhile.

If he has just one more big game against the Bombers without everyone again, could that be enough to catapult him to 400k?

 

[Connoisseur]

1
Ward + berry -> Caldwell + xerri
2
Ward + gov -> Caldwell + xerri
3
Berry -> Caldwell
4
Gov -> xerri
5
Ward -> xerri
6
Hold trades

Need remaining salary and the rest of the side posted to provide better context and thus allow us to provide a more accurate assessment on what we believe to be the best course of action.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Callum Twomey tweeted this morning that Lever & Hibberd will miss another week at least. Salem is also out for awhile.

If he has just one more big game against the Bombers without everyone again, could that be enough to catapult him to 400k?

It would Im just not convinced it will actually happen, think hes just as likely to come out and drop a 50 in all honesty, alot has to go right there to justify the trade to get him and the trade/s to ultimately turn him into a premium, hes one I'm afraid to miss its hard to explain haha, think there's just as many arguments to pick him as there is to pass really.

 

[Shannon]

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Team is in good shape coming of a ~2600 score but as well all know.. SC waits for no one! Not entirely sure of the best moves this week.. plenty of players I'd like but no real obvious trade out candidates or pathways to bring them in.

Few things I'm weighing up..

1. Berry/McGovern to Hewett/Martin
Neither Berry or McGovern are bad picks yet.. while they haven't set the world on fire I see both working and generating cash, they are just the weakest players than have tradable value. Hewett looks great and has definitely elevated my expectations of him as a potential D5/D6 keeper. But while he looks great, I only have 2 backline spots to fill and 1 will need to be Hall, so do I risk committing to Hewett as my "value" pick this early and is it essential to get that value pick now. Last year we got May and Daniel at ~$400k that would likely have similar outputs and I'm sure others will pop up.. but god does the value feel good and take the element of timing out of the mix (nothing worse than a value pick presenting at the worst moment, although TBoosts help with that). Martin would be a week early but role and scoring upside look good so comfortable with that risk.

2. No trades
Don't love it as trading for this week is critical usually and my team by no means has the best. But forcing a trade is also risky and with no clear options standing out it might be better to wait a week and see what unfolds with an extra week of data.

3. Owens to Martin
This smacks of trading for the sake of trading.. frees up negligible cash and doesn't really solve any pressing issues. If nothing else, Owens is a useful late round loop if he isn't playing/sub risk.. and if he pops up again at least I don't have to look at his 2 point average (surely..).

Now we get to the more out there, "bold" (aka, stupid...) move..

4. Dunkley to Heeney/De Goey
On current evidence I'm not sure Dunkley will average more than either of the two ins, and certainly not significantly. Frees up $100k to potentially do a Berry to Rowell type trade.. but the reality is Dunkley will easily be a top 6 forward while fit, and so trading him now is ludicrous and no guarantee to actually net more points.

Safe to say I won't do option 4.. but split over the first 3 options. probably ever so slightly leaning towards option 1.. but team selection will probably play a large part in which way I ultimate go.

Very nice team, congrats on your start

Another option might be Gov > Martin (if comfortable with that risk as mentioned), Berry > Rowell (342,900 BE - 27) pending your views on Rowell.

 

[Montyjnr]

It would Im just not convinced it will actually happen, think hes just as likely to come out and drop a 50 in all honesty, alot has to go right there to justify the trade to get him and the trade/s to ultimately turn him into a premium, hes one I'm afraid to miss its hard to explain haha, think there's just as many arguments to pick him as there is to pass really.

Yeah I get what you mean. I'm kind of afraid he could be the Tex Walker of last year that gets to 400K quickly and made everyone who didn't jump on regret it haha but yeah it could still go either way.

It would be nice if he took some kick outs to provide a bit more score security, but it seems like May has a monopoly on those...

 

[Chumpion]

Very nice team, congrats on your start

Another option might be Gov > Martin (if comfortable with that risk as mentioned), Berry > Rowell (342,900 BE - 27) pending your views on Rowell.

Thanks! Definitely one to consider, especially with Rowell's ownership climbing more and more each day.. In 60% of teams meaning the risk from him not working is significantly less! Main reason I was leaning towards Hewett over Rowell in that combo was I see Hewett has a medium chance of being a keeper whereas that feels like a stretch too far from Rowell who is predominantly a cash play (albeit will probably score well enough to be one of the last upgraded).

Definitely one to ponder though!

 

[McLovin]

Callum Twomey tweeted this morning that Lever & Hibberd will miss another week at least. Salem is also out for awhile.

If he has just one more big game against the Bombers without everyone again, could that be enough to catapult him to 400k?

There were two parts to Bowey's game against GC. The sustainable part was his run and link up, he was very clean and can certainly repeat that while Salem and Hibberd are out.

That's not where the 150 came from though. As the game went on GC piled up the ineffective inside 50s and the just ball kept coming to Bowey, he really accumulated the ground ball gets. Those weren't really role related, he just played a blinder and happened to be in the right spot a lot. That and his rushed clearing kicks often happened to go to a contest when they would've been clangers on another night.

As well as Bowey played, I think his ceiling will top out at around 80.

 

[Connoisseur]

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Team is in good shape coming of a ~2600 score but as well all know.. SC waits for no one! Not entirely sure of the best moves this week.. plenty of players I'd like but no real obvious trade out candidates or pathways to bring them in.

Few things I'm weighing up..

1. Berry/McGovern to Hewett/Martin
Neither Berry or McGovern are bad picks yet.. while they haven't set the world on fire I see both working and generating cash, they are just the weakest players than have tradable value. Hewett looks great and has definitely elevated my expectations of him as a potential D5/D6 keeper. But while he looks great, I only have 2 backline spots to fill and 1 will need to be Hall, so do I risk committing to Hewett as my "value" pick this early and is it essential to get that value pick now. Last year we got May and Daniel at ~$400k that would likely have similar outputs and I'm sure others will pop up.. but god does the value feel good and take the element of timing out of the mix (nothing worse than a value pick presenting at the worst moment, although TBoosts help with that). Martin would be a week early but role and scoring upside look good so comfortable with that risk.

2. No trades
Don't love it as trading for this week is critical usually and my team by no means has the best. But forcing a trade is also risky and with no clear options standing out it might be better to wait a week and see what unfolds with an extra week of data.

3. Owens to Martin
This smacks of trading for the sake of trading.. frees up negligible cash and doesn't really solve any pressing issues. If nothing else, Owens is a useful late round loop if he isn't playing/sub risk.. and if he pops up again at least I don't have to look at his 2 point average (surely..).

Now we get to the more out there, "bold" (aka, stupid...) move..

4. Dunkley to Heeney/De Goey
On current evidence I'm not sure Dunkley will average more than either of the two ins, and certainly not significantly. Frees up $100k to potentially do a Berry to Rowell type trade.. but the reality is Dunkley will easily be a top 6 forward while fit, and so trading him now is ludicrous and no guarantee to actually net more points.

Safe to say I won't do option 4.. but split over the first 3 options. probably ever so slightly leaning towards option 1.. but team selection will probably play a large part in which way I ultimate go.

How much remaining salary do you have?

 

[AngryAnt]

There were two parts to Bowey's game against GC. The sustainable part was his run and link up, he was very clean and can certainly repeat that while Salem and Hibberd are out.

That's not where the 150 came from though. As the game went on GC piled up the ineffective inside 50s and the just ball kept coming to Bowey, he really accumulated the ground ball gets. Those weren't really role related, he just played a blinder and happened to be in the right spot a lot. That and his rushed clearing kicks often happened to go to a contest when they would've been clangers on another night.

As well as Bowey played, I think his ceiling will top out at around 80.

He also took far more intercept marks than he will in an average game.